Can't decide, mustang or camaro

cchvyd28 · 01-16-2017, 01:07 PM

So for the first time in my life I am actually torn between car brands. I have been GM all the way forever, owned 8 F bodies and many other GM products over the years. This summer I am looking to pick up a new car as a daily, and I am getting rid of my toy/weekend car and daily driver and combining them in one car. That being said I am going back and forth between the Mustang and the Camaro. I know seems weird, mortal enemies blah blah. But I actually like the S550, and my current daily is a f150 and I love the coyote platform.

My plan is to buy the car, drive it stock for a year then supercharge it. The dilemma I am having is one mostly of cost. Not only cost of the car, but dollar per hp. I am seeing the camaro maxing out at about 550whp before expensive fuel upgrades need to be done. Another $1,200-$1,500 in fuel upgrades and you can hit around 600whp. 650whp I am hearing is the limit of the stock internals.

I am seeing mid to high 600’s from the mustang with nothing more than bigger injectors which all of the superchargers come with, and a boost-a-pump. They do need the oil pump gear and crank gear replaced to handle the power safely, and that cost is about $1,200 roughly the cost of the fuel upgrades on the camaro.

Whipple got my hopes up for the camaro with their 600whp and 630wtq numbers, but they reduced this to 585whp after testing and if it is anything like the edelbrock kit they claim 580 but real world is 550 or a little less same as the magnuson.

So realistically the mustang is about $4-5k less to buy the car itself. Cost roughly the same to supercharge and upgrade to handle the power. And the mustang makes more whp.

The car is going to be an auto, 2ss or gt premium, and will be a 2016 if I can still find one early this summer or a 2017 if I can’t. So no 10 speed auto for me in the mustang. The drivetrain on both cars have been proven to handle lots of power with just driveshaft and axle upgrades.

My wife currently has a 2016 camaro 2ss 6spd, so I am very familiar with that. But I still need to get more familiar with the mustang, being I bought 2 new cars from my ford dealer in 2 years they may let me do an extended test drive or something.

So that all being stated, I have a few questions left.
-Is the A8 in the camaro going to be that much better than the 6 speed in the mustang? Or is the 6 speed better for a supercharger?
-Will the increased torque from the camaro and added weight of the mustang help to outweigh the hp difference?
-Which do you feel would make the better daily driver? ( I am a pretty big guy, almost 300lbs and 6’2”)

I know this is a camaro page, so I expect some biased answers, hell as I said I am biased towards gm myself. But I am going to be posting this on a mustang page as well to see what they say. And saying do what your heart tells you to do won’t really help me any.

Sorry so long winded, thank you for reading.

13vertss · 01-16-2017, 01:31 PM

Try both and get the one that puts the biggest smile on your face.

Michigan1LTRS · 01-16-2017, 01:37 PM

It's not weird at all. Just take your time and the right one will reveal itself to you. Enjoy whatever you decide my friend.

Mojave · 01-16-2017, 03:52 PM

I am not a fanboy and I did consider both cars myself. I think on the hp you are chasing a unicorn. Add a super charger to either and you are going to have a blast. If you goal is the fastest thing around then you are going to spend a lot more money on either car. When I was looking at both cars the price of the Stang drew me to it but when I drove both cars I knew I wanted the Camaro. It was just meaner and that is what I wanted. Sorry I don't have specifics to help you answer this question in an analytical way but a car purchase for me is emotional.

13vertss · 01-16-2017, 04:00 PM

Looking at the other forum, sounds like you already chose.

Arka · 01-16-2017, 04:36 PM

Horsepower means nothing.

The John Deere 9620R is 620 HP. You should compare performance. Which is mostly:

0-60
1/4 mile
braking
handling
shifter-gearbox

Running for more HP without looking at performance is gonna make you buy a truck or a 90'000 HP supertanker.

cchvyd28 · 01-16-2017, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 13vertss/r's

Looking at the other forum, sounds like you already chose.

I am leaning towards the mustang yes. But I posted here to get different opinions. I always see hp numbers but people neglect to say how much torque. If the mustang will make 60 more hp, but the camaro makes 60 more ft lbs which car would be faster? Numbers are just made up so don't quote them.

Arka · 01-16-2017, 04:46 PM

The problem is you only see HP and Torque. Compare the performance.

Zl1 Camaro 2017 is 650HP: 0-60 in 3.5 sec
Nissan GTR 2017 is only 565: 0-60 in 2.9 sec

Compare performance not numbers.

cchvyd28 · 01-16-2017, 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arka

The problem is you only see HP and Torque. Compare the performance.

Zl1 Camaro 2017 is 650HP: 0-60 in 3.5 sec
Nissan GTR 2017 is only 565: 0-60 in 2.9 sec

Compare performance not numbers.

Comparing apples to oranges there. Gtr is awd, of course acceleration will be better. Both cars in question are rwd, and have similar weight. So hp and tq are going to be a major factor in the differences between them. I know hp isn't everything... and that is why my questions weren't simply which one makes more hp. I asked about the tq difference, and if the 8 speed would make up for some of the loss of hp between them. Among other things. And finally not trying to compare stock vs stock, I know the camaro is faster stock. My question was boosted vs boosted given the differences which comes out on top.

WhyUMad1LE · 01-16-2017, 08:01 PM

Just drive both, and if you can't tell the difference, get the cheaper one.

vet757 · 01-16-2017, 08:36 PM

After seeing the 2018 mustang you might want to reconsider.

http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=480798
http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=74080

*Mr. Wyndham* · 01-16-2017, 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vet757

After seeing the 2018 mustang you might want to reconsider.

http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=480798
http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=74080

I'm not gonna lie....was about to say the same thing...

stevstevd · 01-17-2017, 05:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cchvyd28

My wife currently has a 2016 camaro 2ss 6spd, so I am very familiar with that.

I'd say get the mustang. Variety is always fun... Unless you don't drive her car ever and vice versa.

maverick112582 · 01-17-2017, 07:31 AM

I drive a v6 mustang and I'm moving up this spring to a v8. I was hoping Ford would make a car I could like. If you search the mustang forums you will find that the mustang has a vibration problem that Ford can't fix. That's the reason I'm going for a camaro even tho it seems to have a rear end when cold problem and a torque converter problem. Chevy is at least trying to fix there problems.

01-16-2017, 01:07 PM	#1
cchvyd28 Drives: 1998 H/C/I A4 Hardtop Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: pa Posts: 3	Can't decide, mustang or camaro So for the first time in my life I am actually torn between car brands. I have been GM all the way forever, owned 8 F bodies and many other GM products over the years. This summer I am looking to pick up a new car as a daily, and I am getting rid of my toy/weekend car and daily driver and combining them in one car. That being said I am going back and forth between the Mustang and the Camaro. I know seems weird, mortal enemies blah blah. But I actually like the S550, and my current daily is a f150 and I love the coyote platform. My plan is to buy the car, drive it stock for a year then supercharge it. The dilemma I am having is one mostly of cost. Not only cost of the car, but dollar per hp. I am seeing the camaro maxing out at about 550whp before expensive fuel upgrades need to be done. Another $1,200-$1,500 in fuel upgrades and you can hit around 600whp. 650whp I am hearing is the limit of the stock internals. I am seeing mid to high 600’s from the mustang with nothing more than bigger injectors which all of the superchargers come with, and a boost-a-pump. They do need the oil pump gear and crank gear replaced to handle the power safely, and that cost is about $1,200 roughly the cost of the fuel upgrades on the camaro. Whipple got my hopes up for the camaro with their 600whp and 630wtq numbers, but they reduced this to 585whp after testing and if it is anything like the edelbrock kit they claim 580 but real world is 550 or a little less same as the magnuson. So realistically the mustang is about $4-5k less to buy the car itself. Cost roughly the same to supercharge and upgrade to handle the power. And the mustang makes more whp. The car is going to be an auto, 2ss or gt premium, and will be a 2016 if I can still find one early this summer or a 2017 if I can’t. So no 10 speed auto for me in the mustang. The drivetrain on both cars have been proven to handle lots of power with just driveshaft and axle upgrades. My wife currently has a 2016 camaro 2ss 6spd, so I am very familiar with that. But I still need to get more familiar with the mustang, being I bought 2 new cars from my ford dealer in 2 years they may let me do an extended test drive or something. So that all being stated, I have a few questions left. -Is the A8 in the camaro going to be that much better than the 6 speed in the mustang? Or is the 6 speed better for a supercharger? -Will the increased torque from the camaro and added weight of the mustang help to outweigh the hp difference? -Which do you feel would make the better daily driver? ( I am a pretty big guy, almost 300lbs and 6’2”) I know this is a camaro page, so I expect some biased answers, hell as I said I am biased towards gm myself. But I am going to be posting this on a mustang page as well to see what they say. And saying do what your heart tells you to do won’t really help me any. Sorry so long winded, thank you for reading.

01-16-2017, 01:37 PM	#3
Michigan1LTRS Blessed ❤️ Drives: 2017 1LT RS I4 Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Indiana Posts: 2,577	It's not weird at all. Just take your time and the right one will reveal itself to you. Enjoy whatever you decide my friend. __________________ 2017 1LT RS I4 A8 BLACK ON BLACK Kindness and compassion #OthersFirst

01-16-2017, 03:52 PM	#4
Mojave San Diego Head Tuners Drives: 2016 Camaro 1SS ,NPP,MagRide, A8 Join Date: May 2009 Location: Temecula, CA Posts: 2,440 View My Garage	I am not a fanboy and I did consider both cars myself. I think on the hp you are chasing a unicorn. Add a super charger to either and you are going to have a blast. If you goal is the fastest thing around then you are going to spend a lot more money on either car. When I was looking at both cars the price of the Stang drew me to it but when I drove both cars I knew I wanted the Camaro. It was just meaner and that is what I wanted. Sorry I don't have specifics to help you answer this question in an analytical way but a car purchase for me is emotional. __________________ 2016 1SS A8, NPP, MagRide, Black Rims My 5th Camaro (3 Gen5, 1 Gen4) Member of San Diego Head Tuners https://www.youtube.com/c/MojaveKY https://www.instagram.com/mojaveky/ https://twitter.com/MojaveKY http://dinowax.refr.cc/bryanm 15% off DinoWax orders

01-16-2017, 01:31 PM	#2
13vertss Drives: 2013 Camaro convertible 2SS/RS Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Southern NH Posts: 1,077	Try both and get the one that puts the biggest smile on your face.

01-16-2017, 04:00 PM	#5
13vertss Drives: 2013 Camaro convertible 2SS/RS Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Southern NH Posts: 1,077	Looking at the other forum, sounds like you already chose.

01-16-2017, 04:36 PM	#6
Arka Drives: 2016 Nightfall grey 2.0 1LT Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Gainesville Posts: 42	Horsepower means nothing. The John Deere 9620R is 620 HP. You should compare performance. Which is mostly: 0-60 1/4 mile braking handling shifter-gearbox Running for more HP without looking at performance is gonna make you buy a truck or a 90'000 HP supertanker.

01-16-2017, 04:46 PM	#8
Arka Drives: 2016 Nightfall grey 2.0 1LT Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Gainesville Posts: 42	The problem is you only see HP and Torque. Compare the performance. Zl1 Camaro 2017 is 650HP: 0-60 in 3.5 sec Nissan GTR 2017 is only 565: 0-60 in 2.9 sec Compare performance not numbers.

01-16-2017, 08:01 PM	#10
WhyUMad1LE Drives: 17 SS 1LE Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Houston Posts: 1,920	Just drive both, and if you can't tell the difference, get the cheaper one.

01-16-2017, 08:36 PM	#11
vet757 Drives: ^^^This Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 747	After seeing the 2018 mustang you might want to reconsider. http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=480798 http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=74080

01-17-2017, 07:31 AM	#14
maverick112582 Drives: No Camaro yet Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 13	I drive a v6 mustang and I'm moving up this spring to a v8. I was hoping Ford would make a car I could like. If you search the mustang forums you will find that the mustang has a vibration problem that Ford can't fix. That's the reason I'm going for a camaro even tho it seems to have a rear end when cold problem and a torque converter problem. Chevy is at least trying to fix there problems.

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