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*Mr. Wyndham* · 03-17-2011, 09:13 AM

Holy Necropost, Batman.....stupid spammers....

Just everyone's aware if you're reading this today...the OP is from 2008.

TOMS1SS · 03-17-2011, 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Holy Necropost, Batman.....stupid spammers....

Just everyone's aware if you're reading this today...the OP is from 2008.

The sad thing if your from Michigan like I am this is an everyday thing.

Partick · 03-17-2011, 11:36 AM

I can see both sides, I worked for 15 years as a union member, earning competative wages and fair benefits that the non bargaining employees of the comapny benefitted from as well. I've spent the last 10 years as the owner of that business and a I now serve as a board member for the employers group that bargains with the unions.

My non-union competitors are charging roughly the same rates to their clients as I do and they pay roughly the same wages but the cost of fringe benfits and the cost of burdensome work rules is where I am put at a competative disadvantage.

Collective bargaining still has its place however it has evolved so far into an adverserial or us against them mentality instead of a collaborative or for the common good type of relationship and the unions regidity or unwillingness to reasonably adjust to the times and current market conditions is a detriment to both the employer and employee. A prime example is the defined benefit pension. It is unsustainable in todays economy whereas a 401k and a profit sharing plan which our non bargaining employees have is a fair and manageable benfit.

Fair wages, benefits and working conditions benefit the employer as much as the employee, finding common ground is the tricky part

Scrappy Doo · 03-17-2011, 12:54 PM

Grave dig thread of the century!

truth411 · 03-17-2011, 05:09 PM

I thought the UAW was not allowed to strike GM for a set time period?? Can some explain.

Edit: LOL!! just saw OP post date.

Blackbean · 03-17-2011, 06:47 PM

I picked this off Bloomberg,says the plants are closing because of parts shortages from Japan
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-0...-shortage.html

*DGthe3* · 03-17-2011, 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blackbean

I picked this off Bloomberg,says the plants are closing because of parts shortages from Japan
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-0...-shortage.html

Thread is closing in on 3 years old now. It was bumped by a spammer (whose post has been deleted) and people have kept on replying without reading the entire thread (Dragoneye pointed it out several posts ago).

03-17-2011, 09:13 AM	#29
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03-17-2011, 05:09 PM	#33
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03-17-2011, 11:36 AM	#31
Partick Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: NorCal Posts: 958	I can see both sides, I worked for 15 years as a union member, earning competative wages and fair benefits that the non bargaining employees of the comapny benefitted from as well. I've spent the last 10 years as the owner of that business and a I now serve as a board member for the employers group that bargains with the unions. My non-union competitors are charging roughly the same rates to their clients as I do and they pay roughly the same wages but the cost of fringe benfits and the cost of burdensome work rules is where I am put at a competative disadvantage. Collective bargaining still has its place however it has evolved so far into an adverserial or us against them mentality instead of a collaborative or for the common good type of relationship and the unions regidity or unwillingness to reasonably adjust to the times and current market conditions is a detriment to both the employer and employee. A prime example is the defined benefit pension. It is unsustainable in todays economy whereas a 401k and a profit sharing plan which our non bargaining employees have is a fair and manageable benfit. Fair wages, benefits and working conditions benefit the employer as much as the employee, finding common ground is the tricky part

03-17-2011, 12:54 PM	#32
Scrappy Doo Drives: Callaway Rogue Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: W8n 4 Snow, Minnesota Posts: 4,738	Grave dig thread of the century!

03-17-2011, 06:47 PM	#34
Blackbean Drives: 2018 1SS 1LE Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: San Antonio, Fl Posts: 168	I picked this off Bloomberg,says the plants are closing because of parts shortages from Japan http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-0...-shortage.html