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Old 11-12-2011, 06:45 PM   #141
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Old 11-12-2011, 06:47 PM   #142
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The comparison is not a GS Corvette to a ZO6. It's to a ZR1. Thats where alot of you miss the point. Expect the price difference to be simular. GS Corvette to ZO6 would be SS to Z28.
I don't understand this thought process of comparing Corvette pricing to Camaro Pricing. The Camaro competes with Mustang, Challenger and other lower cost performance vehicles, not Corvette. Just because the Corvette has a 6.2L SC ZR1, Doesn't mean the 6.2L SC ZL1 Camaro has to be similar in pricing and customers.

Camaro Standard Pricing:
1LS = $23,200
2LS = $24,400
1LT = $25,200
2LT = $28,350
1SS = $31,850
2SS = $35,450

Mustang Standard Pricing:
V6 = $22,310 or $890 Lower than Camaro 1LS
V6 Premium = $26,310 or $1,110 More than Camaro 1LT or $2,040 Lower than Camaro 2LT
GT = $29,710 or $2,140 Lower than Camaro 1SS
GT Premium = $33,710 or $1,740 Lower than Camaro 2SS
Boss 302 = $40,310 and No Direct Comparo with Current Camaro Models (Hint Z28 or 1LE Could Fill This Void Effectively at $42,000 Base Pricing)
Shelby GT500 = $48,810 and The Direct Competition to Camaro ZL1

The Mustang on Rough Average is $1,140 Less Than Camaro based on Starting Price Only. I would expect Camaro ZL1 to Start at No More Than $2,000 above Shelby GT500 Pricing. That puts ZL1 at $50,810 but I also would include a little additional for inflation and the fact that the new Shelby will Inevitably Cost More than the Current Model. I'd Say $52,000 with No options and $65,000+ Loaded. If it starts at $57,000 or $60,000 than Chevy Came in way over Shelby by the Price of an Entire Chevrolet Sonic.
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Old 11-12-2011, 06:50 PM   #143
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I don't understand this thought process of comparing Corvette pricing to Camaro Pricing. The Camaro competes with Mustang, Challenger and other lower cost performance vehicles, not Corvette. Just because the Corvette has a 6.2L SC ZR1, Doesn't mean the 6.2L SC ZL1 Camaro has to be similar in pricing and customers.

Camaro Standard Pricing:
1LS = $23,200
2LS = $24,400
1LT = $25,200
2LT = $28,350
1SS = $31,850
2SS = $35,450

Mustang Standard Pricing:
V6 = $22,310 or $890 Lower than Camaro 1LS
V6 Premium = $26,310 or $1,110 More than Camaro 1LT or $2,040 Lower than Camaro 2LT
GT = $29,710 or $2,140 Lower than Camaro 1SS
GT Premium = $33,710 or $1,740 Lower than Camaro 2SS
Boss 302 = $40,310 and No Direct Comparo with Current Camaro Models (Hint Z28 or 1LE Could Fill This Void Effectively at $42,000 Base Pricing)
Shelby GT500 = $48,810 and The Direct Competition to Camaro ZL1

The Mustang on Rough Average is $1,140 Less Than Camaro based on Starting Price Only. I would expect Camaro ZL1 to Start at No More Than $2,000 above Shelby GT500 Pricing. That puts ZL1 at $50,810 but I also would include a little additional for inflation and the fact that the new Shelby will Inevitably Cost More than the Current Model. I'd Say $52,000 with No options and $65,000+ Loaded. If it starts at $57,000 or $60,000 than Chevy Came in way over Shelby by the Price of an Entire Chevrolet Sonic.
WHAT OPTIONS ARE THERE TO PUT ON THIS CAR!@#!@#!@#!@

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Old 11-12-2011, 06:52 PM   #144
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WHAT OPTIONS ARE THERE TO PUT ON THIS CAR!@#!@#!@#!@

Argh...
Valid Point, But I'm sure a Performance Pack and other additional things will come along. Look at the Competition.
You can add $12,000 in Options to a Shelby GT500, I would expect The ZL1 WILL be that way at Some Point As Well in the Future.
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Old 11-12-2011, 07:00 PM   #145
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Valid Point, But I'm sure a Performance Pack and other additional things will come along. Look at the Competition.
You can add $12,000 in Options to a Shelby GT500, I would expect The ZL1 WILL be that way at Some Point As Well in the Future.
We are not talking about the future!! We are talking about the price to be released in the Present! Very few options. Wheels, sun roof, exposed cf hood insert, stripe package, auto, sueded micro wheel and shift knob. That's it.
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Old 11-12-2011, 07:13 PM   #146
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Camaro ZL1 has things the GT500 doesn't.....

1) IRS
2) Magnetic Ride Suspension
3) "optional" 6-speed Auto
4) confirmed performance laptimes @ 'Ring

These few things alone will justify the Higher MSRP over the GT500...

I believe MSRP of $55,000, give or take a few thousand..
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ZL1 also comes stock with items you have to add to the GT500...

Factory-integrated engine oil cooler, Factory brake cooling ducts, Factory transmission oil cooler, Factory-integrated rear differential cooler, Factory integrated high-performance fuel system.
Bingoooo.....And a whole lot more....
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Old 11-12-2011, 07:20 PM   #147
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I just built a Cadillac CTS-V coupe and it was $69,890 mildly optioned. Take in to consideration that this is not a Caddy and the need to compete somewhat with the four letter "F" word (Ford). I think Base will sadly start at $57,000
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Old 11-12-2011, 07:29 PM   #148
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My .02 cents

ZL1 with no options, MSRP $51,500
ZL1 with A6 , MSRP $53,500

ZL1 with sunroof, A6, CF hood, suede, and option wheels $62,500

ZL1 with sunroof, M6, CF hood, suede, and option wheels $60,500
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Old 11-12-2011, 07:32 PM   #149
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Best place to start would be the CTS-V coupe pricing.

Compare the two cars, what are the differences? CTS-V has a more expensive platform to begin with, engine is basically the same, but the ZL1 might have more performance hardware elsewhere.
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Old 11-12-2011, 07:52 PM   #150
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Camaro ZL1 has things the GT500 doesn't.....

1) IRS
2) Magnetic Ride Suspension
3) "optional" 6-speed Auto
4) confirmed performance laptimes @ 'Ring

These few things alone will justify the Higher MSRP over the GT500...

I believe MSRP of $55,000, give or take a few thousand..

Can't we all agree that the A6 really is a:

6 SPEED MANUAL TAPSHIFT (no clutch needed, but "tap" required!, therefore, "MANUAL")

In my expert opinion (haha) The TAPSHIFT Qualifies and a Manual Shift! Let's hear it for NO LEFT FOOT REQUIRED!!

(I also assume you can tap it down from 4th to 2nd with a quick double tap, thusly eliminating the stick as being more flexible)...... And, from what I hear, the RPM's will match the shift points so, it will be just as smooth as letting out a clutch!!
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Old 11-12-2011, 07:53 PM   #151
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Can't we all agree that the A6 really is a:

6 SPEED MANUAL TAPSHIFT (no clutch needed, but "tap" required!, therefore, "MANUAL")

In my expert opinion (haha) The TAPSHIFT Qualifies and a Manual Shift! Let's here it for NO LEFT FOOT REQUIRED!!

(I also assume you can tap it down from 4th to 2nd with a quick double tap, thusly eliminating the stick as being more flexible)...... And, from what I hear, the RPM's will match the shift points so, it will be just as smooth as letting out a clutch!!
Not sure if you're joking? hehehe

It's an automatic at heart, albeit brisk...with manual control optional.
And you are right in your understanding of its operation.
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Old 11-12-2011, 07:53 PM   #152
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And just built a "F" ( that four letter word again ) GT500 fully loaded and it was $57,742. I think the ZL1 will be in this range but I will sit and wait till Monday. WOW I never thought I would wish Monday would be here and the weekend to be over.
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Old 11-12-2011, 08:22 PM   #153
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Old 11-12-2011, 08:29 PM   #154
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base package 54,960

If your right I would be....Cause then I might be able to eat lunch and dinner.
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