Fuse pull highly recommended

[The Stig]

Originally Posted by zl1bro

What are fuel trims? How do you "get stuck" in the low octane table? Does one tank of 91 octane gas reset the map at that lower level?

Yes. Even if it was only that one time, the ECM moves down to the low fuel table and once it's there it's stuck there until you a fuse pull.

[SlingShot]

Originally Posted by stieger

There is a sticky in the V8 sub forum that goes into detail what the fuse pull does. But in short, the Camaro isn't capable of re-learning fuel trims. So once you're in the low octane table you're stuck there. Fuse pull resets the fuel map.

It's more than just the fuel maps, it resets the entire ECM. The ECM in our cars are adaptive. They learn your driving habits and adjust themselves based on how you drive your car. If you took it easy during the first 1500 miles, that's how the ECM adjust itself based on how you drove. If you just start driving it harder it will adapt itself, but will just take a bit longer to relearn your habits. If you reset the ECM it just starts from scratch and takes less time to learn your new habits and driving style.

[strych9]

Originally Posted by s_c5519

From what I have read if you have been using 93 from the start, it will not require the fuse pull...

But the cars arrive to the dealers with very little gas. Do you think that the little it comes with from GM is 93 though? I'm talking before the dealer fills it...

My current understanding is that 91 octane places the ECM into its highest performance mode. 93 octane is not programmed into the ECM, so its use will make no direct increase in performance over 91 octane.

[Deke736]

Originally Posted by SlingShot

It's more than just the fuel maps, it resets the entire ECM. The ECM in our cars are adaptive. They learn your driving habits and adjust themselves based on how you drive your car. If you took it easy during the first 1500 miles, that's how the ECM adjust itself based on how you drove. If you just start driving it harder it will adapt itself, but will just take a bit longer to relearn your habits. If you reset the ECM it just starts from scratch and takes less time to learn your new habits and driving style.

I didn't even think about all that! My car has only had 93 ran in it (to my knowledge) and I picked it up from the dealer with 9 miles on it and I was with him when he filled it. Still, after reading this, I may do the fuse pull just to see if it changes anything. If it doesn't, I guess it won't hurt anything.

[The Stig]

Originally Posted by SlingShot

It's more than just the fuel maps, it resets the entire ECM. The ECM in our cars are adaptive. They learn your driving habits and adjust themselves based on how you drive your car. If you took it easy during the first 1500 miles, that's how the ECM adjust itself based on how you drove. If you just start driving it harder it will adapt itself, but will just take a bit longer to relearn your habits. If you reset the ECM it just starts from scratch and takes less time to learn your new habits and driving style.

Yes, pulling fuses #5 and #20 resets the entire ECM. Yes, the ECM does adapt to your driving style. However, once you are in the low fuel table you are stuck there. The only way to get back up to the high fuel table is to do a fuse pull.

[zl1bro]

Originally Posted by stieger

Yes, pulling fuses #5 and #20 resets the entire ECM. Yes, the ECM does adapt to your driving style. However, once you are in the low fuel table you are stuck there. The only way to get back up to the high fuel table is to do a fuse pull.

I purchased my car from a dealer in Phoenix, AZ. They put the first tank of premium gas in there prior to shipping. Here in Massachusetts we have 93 octane gas. Does anyone know whether premium gas in Arizona is 91 or 93 octane?

[s_c5519]

Originally Posted by strych9

My current understanding is that 91 octane places the ECM into its highest performance mode. 93 octane is not programmed into the ECM, so its use will make no direct increase in performance over 91 octane.

I just found this in the manual...

Required Fuel (ZL1 Only)

If the vehicle has the 6.2L V8 engine
(VIN Code P), use premium
unleaded gasoline with a posted
octane rating of 91 or higher. For
best performance, use premium
unleaded gasoline with a posted

octane rating of 93.

[s_c5519]

Originally Posted by zl1bro

I purchased my car from a dealer in Phoenix, AZ. They put the first tank of premium gas in there prior to shipping. Here in Massachusetts we have 93 octane gas. Does anyone know whether premium gas in Arizona is 91 or 93 octane?

AZ and CA are both 91...

[mlee]

Are we SURE this applies to the LSA? ...or event the 2013 SS?

Just a bit skeptical at this point but it doesn't hurt to try.

[SlingShot]

Originally Posted by mlee

Are we SURE this applies to the LSA? ...or event the 2013 SS?

Just a bit skeptical at this point but it doesn't hurt to try.

Refer to post #3 ...

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=249520

[mlee]

Originally Posted by SlingShot

Refer to post #3 ...

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=249520

Yeah.. I read everything and had an L99 back when all this surfaced. Not that I discount anything said, I just can't hang my hat on butt dyno fixes. I can't believe these cars would still have this problem. There must be thousands of cars out there who don't read forums with the octane table issue.

By all means I'm going to pull my fuses anyway and had planned to do it since I accidentally put a tank of 87 in on the way back from C5fest. Pump handles were reversed from what I was used to and didn't notice til it was too late..

Maybe I can do a little butt dyno test before I pull the fuses or better yet put it on a real dyno.

[SUKXOST]

I've read about this a few places...does it work with all trims and years?

[strych9]

Originally Posted by s_c5519

I just found this in the manual...

Required Fuel (ZL1 Only)

If the vehicle has the 6.2L V8 engine
(VIN Code P), use premium
unleaded gasoline with a posted
octane rating of 91 or higher. For
best performance, use premium
unleaded gasoline with a posted

octane rating of 93.

Thanks for the clarification!

[RedDragon]

aahhh now i understand, i thought it was pull and leave out, thank you.

If only I would have known this.... I wouldn't have a son today.