Remote Tuning for FI

[elsololobo02]

Originally Posted by esponda

my stock cams are pretty battered. The cams I got from mace the thruster ring is too small on bank1 and doesn't fit properly. I asked Tracy to check his for both this issue and the the degrees being off. The cams he has from MACE were made six months ago and are supposedly no good. Seems he wasn't aware of a degree issue but they had my issue.

I hate to tell you this but Tracy sent me an e-mail on July 28th, which I took a screenshot of in this thread, post #111. Take a look and you will see it plain as day, 2nd paragraph. He states he sent me his last 2 sets of MACE cams so I don't understand how he is going to check for you. I have a set of MACE cams currently installed and a second set was mistakenly sent to me, so I have two sets of MACE cams and my stock ones which came in this past Friday. Plus MACE has said publicaly that the MACE cams Rx has were not paid for so I doubt MACE would send more sets to RX when RX still owes payment on the 4 sets "loaned" in the U.S.


If you still plan on going forward with the cams Steve already stated he will send the corrected grind to you. If you do, your second hurdle will be tuning. If you decide to forgo the cams maybe MACE will give you a refund since you bought them directly from him.

[elsololobo02]

Found this through a little research of yellowglides cam thread... Apparently the cams will work with FI? Not!

[esponda]

Originally Posted by elsololobo02

I hate to tell you this but Tracy sent me an e-mail on July 28th, which I took a screenshot of in this thread, post #111. Take a look and you will see it plain as day, 2nd paragraph. He states he sent me his last 2 sets of MACE cams so I don't understand how he is going to check for you. I have a set of MACE cams currently installed and a second set was mistakenly sent to me, so I have two sets of MACE cams and my stock ones which came in this past Friday. Plus MACE has said publicaly that the MACE cams Rx has were not paid for so I doubt MACE would send more sets to RX when RX still owes payment on the 4 sets "loaned" in the U.S.


If you still plan on going forward with the cams Steve already stated he will send the corrected grind to you. If you do, your second hurdle will be tuning. If you decide to forgo the cams maybe MACE will give you a refund since you bought them directly from him.

I never bought any cams from Tracy, if he had an appropriate set i was just to pay shipping to try it out. Maybe the set being 6 months old was a previous grind and you indeed have last of the new ones idk. When I talked with him last week he wasn't sure if he had any so its not like he committed anything to me.

I was on board with these cams from the beginning. I mighta been the second person to buy them after yellowguild when they were first announced. I'd really like a functional set in my car. I haven't hears back from MACE since the developments the end of last week. I'll see what I can work out with them. Whether to give up on the project or get a new grind.

[elsololobo02]

Please don't take anything I'm sharing the wrong way. Just trying to give info out to the public. DO NOT let RX send you any cams! Get your cams directly from MACE!


I will be sending my cams back once Rx gives me a refund via Paypal. Rx has stated that until they receive both sets back from me, they wont issue me a refund. Which I understand as that is how returns work BUT... I do not trust that I will get the refund due to Rx oweing many other members and vendors money. I understand he hasn't commited anything to you, which is a good thing!!

So here is the problem with Rx sending you a set to "try it out". THEY ARE GOING TO SEND YOU THE EXACT SAME CAMS THAT I AM HAVING TAKEN OUT!!!!!

I just found out last night that the MACE cams that are currently installed in my car are from a version of yellowglides cams that were used after yellowglides 110LSA cams failed! So the ones I have are not the correct grinds (which we now know) and only MACE has the correct grinds.

I wish you luck and hope you get your build where you want it. I really do, and will help out in any way I can. Which ever way you decide to go I hope it works out for you!!! Just be careful, I don't want you or anyone else to have to go through the situation that I am in.

[ChadG]

Holy cow what a trainwreck . . . my heart goes out to everyone involved . . .

[vong]

Dude I live in Australia and are having the same fitting issues as you are. I think I've got the latest grind (late July) and the thrust collars are 0.8mm off so where trying to get a cam specialist to grind them down. So far no shops can except for one that we're waiting for a reply. If they can't then we're going to see if MACE have a set that's ready to get posted ASAP or we're going to give up. Been 11 months since we bought our first set..

[elsololobo02]

vong,

Sorry to hear you are having the same issues. Hope that shop will be able to make things work for you or MACE for that matter.

Yeah this ordeal has been an absolute train wreck. I feel for MACE on this as Rx said the grinds were good to go ("nailed it" ). Rx even said that in a post on yellowglides thread. I still think more testing should have been done before the cams went out to the public. Or it should have been clearly stated that the cams are still under development.

I don't know, it's all just a soup sandwich and unfortunately we took a big bite. Truly mis-led by Rx here in the U.S.

[vong]

Yeah I didn't realise they were going to use my car as an R&D vehicle for their cams as they said the cams should fit. Cams for the SIDI were on their site for a month or 2 then they took them off after they realised customers were having issues.

The cost of installs adds up every time until the right set fits which is annoying.

It sucks for you guys to have to wait to get cams from Australia and find out they won't work.

[esponda]

I think at this point I'm gonna try to get a refund. I can't to have my car used for R&D right now, so I'd be willing to revisit getting cammed onced these issues have been ironed out. Unless I can get a correct set of cams this week or something...Just heard back from MACE. They are thinking my LLT might have LFX style cams? I'm not sure if thats possible. My camaro is end of the year 2011. Do all 4 LFX cams differ in size from the the LLT?

[MACE_ENG]

Originally Posted by elsololobo02

Steve,

Thank you for explaining evertything thouroughly. I am not trying to beat you up publically, I am just trying to figure out why this happened; specifically with the cams (The turbo is a seperate issue between Rx and me). A lot of good information has been gleaned from my situation and hope, if at very least, it makes people better educated to make informed decisions.

I am very happy to see you working with your customers and hope that you and esponda get everything sorted out!

All good. It has our name on it, the cams so it's to be expected.

Originally Posted by elsololobo02

Found this through a little research of yellowglides cam thread... Apparently the cams will work with FI? Not!

I still stand by the fact that they’ll work with FI. The main problem with the LLT cams has been the fact that they've been ground offset on bank 1 since day dot it seems. This seems to have farked everything up.

Originally Posted by esponda

I never bought any cams from Tracy, if he had an appropriate set i was just to pay shipping to try it out. Maybe the set being 6 months old was a previous grind and you indeed have last of the new ones idk. When I talked with him last week he wasn't sure if he had any so its not like he committed anything to me.

I was on board with these cams from the beginning. I mighta been the second person to buy them after yellowguild when they were first announced. I'd really like a functional set in my car. I haven't hears back from MACE since the developments the end of last week. I'll see what I can work out with them. Whether to give up on the project or get a new grind.

I did reply on the 3rd of August, so I do apologise if I didn't reply to your email on the 4th but have today on the 5th of August. As mentioned in the latest email, I believe that you LLT runs an LFX style of cam! This makes sense as the first set of LLT cams that we received had a larger thrust diameter. If you go through yelloglides thread, this diameter had to be machined down. Admittedly I thought I was ripped off (again) and sent LFX cams instead, however it seems that it may have been from a later model LLT engine after all (great!).

Originally Posted by elsololobo02

Please don't take anything I'm sharing the wrong way. Just trying to give info out to the public. DO NOT let RX send you any cams! Get your cams directly from MACE!

I will be sending my cams back once Rx gives me a refund via Paypal. Rx has stated that until they receive both sets back from me, they wont issue me a refund. Which I understand as that is how returns work BUT... I do not trust that I will get the refund due to Rx oweing many other members and vendors money. I understand he hasn't commited anything to you, which is a good thing!!

So here is the problem with Rx sending you a set to "try it out". THEY ARE GOING TO SEND YOU THE EXACT SAME CAMS THAT I AM HAVING TAKEN OUT!!!!!

I just found out last night that the MACE cams that are currently installed in my car are from a version of yellowglides cams that were used after yellowglides 110LSA cams failed! So the ones I have are not the correct grinds (which we now know) and only MACE has the correct grinds.

I wish you luck and hope you get your build where you want it. I really do, and will help out in any way I can. Which ever way you decide to go I hope it works out for you!!! Just be careful, I don't want you or anyone else to have to go through the situation that I am in.

Once again I do apologize for this mess. It’s a sh1t mess to be in.

Originally Posted by ChadG

Holy cow what a trainwreck . . . my heart goes out to everyone involved . . .

This project has been a very long and drawn out protracted project. I've been stiffed over by so many people its unbelievable! What I've written about the project is only a fraction of the crap that we've gone through! In saying this though, I'm genuinely upbeat that things will be sorted once and for all soon.

Originally Posted by vong

Dude I live in Australia and are having the same fitting issues as you are. I think I've got the latest grind (late July) and the thrust collars are 0.8mm off so where trying to get a cam specialist to grind them down. So far no shops can except for one that we're waiting for a reply. If they can't then we're going to see if MACE have a set that's ready to get posted ASAP or we're going to give up. Been 11 months since we bought our first set..

Different problem Andrew to what elsololobo02 are esponda experiencing. Regardless, I spoke to your cousin and his mentioned that they now fit well, just need the timing chain diagram from me and we should be ready to fire it up.

Originally Posted by elsololobo02

vong,

Sorry to hear you are having the same issues. Hope that shop will be able to make things work for you or MACE for that matter.

Yeah this ordeal has been an absolute train wreck. I feel for MACE on this as Rx said the grinds were good to go ("nailed it" ). Rx even said that in a post on yellowglides thread. I still think more testing should have been done before the cams went out to the public. Or it should have been clearly stated that the cams are still under development.

I don't know, it's all just a soup sandwich and unfortunately we took a big bite. Truly mis-led by Rx here in the U.S.

Different issues. Vong, know all too well that his car was going to be the first LFX cam install ever to have been. He clearly knew that it was a development project. I even purchased EFILive specifically to program his vehicle, which I sent off to his cousin to calibrate his vehicle. Sadly, like this cam project in general, it has taken a lot longer then what I would have liked. But I genuinely believe that we're on the home stretch now.

Originally Posted by vong

Yeah I didn't realise they were going to use my car as an R&D vehicle for their cams as they said the cams should fit. Cams for the SIDI were on their site for a month or 2 then they took them off after they realised customers were having issues.

The cost of installs adds up every time until the right set fits which is annoying.

It sucks for you guys to have to wait to get cams from Australia and find out they won't work.

Exactly why would you write that you didn't know your car was going to be an R&D vehicle? What part didn't you understand that I said we have never done one before (LFX engine) and that we may have problems? This was reflected by the considerable discount in cam pricing and the fact that I refunded your cam cost in full (without being asked!) due to delays in the end.

Originally Posted by esponda

I think at this point I'm gonna try to get a refund. I can't to have my car used for R&D right now, so I'd be willing to revisit getting cammed onced these issues have been ironed out. Unless I can get a correct set of cams this week or something...Haven't heard back from MACE...

I'm happy to offer a refund. I don't work on Sunday's anymore so I do apologies if I didn't reply then (4th August Aust time). As mentioned earlier I replied on 3rd and the 5th of August to your email.

In summary though, what should have been sorted about 12 months ago (project been going for around 2 1/2 years now), hadn't been for a number of factors legitimately beyond our control. This has been the most gruelling project for me personally, something which has been akin to dying by a thousand cuts at time.

Despite the “lunacy” of continuing with this project I'm genuinely upbeat that we'll get this project "officially" sorted for the LLT and LFX engine very soon. This isn't delusional optimism, but more the number of failures during this process, coupled with the great success we've been having with the cams to suit LY7 engines (same family as the LLT and LLX engine). For the record, we've been selling the LY7 cams for around 2 years now with great success.

Once again, I sincerely do apologize for any inconvenience caused on our end directly or indirectly. It definitely was never my intention. The only thing that we can do is continue to work with those who are involved as best as possible.

Best Regards,
Steve

[vong]

I knew I'd be the first in Australia but I didn't think it'd take almost a year. You assured me they'd fit. Remember when you said you got a cam from Holden and said they looked the same then turned out the oil return galleries were in different positions.

Seeing how much crap you've gone through I do apologize for what I've said. I shouldn't be frustrated with you, more so Tighe Cams for taking forever and 0.8MM difference (if Tighe Cams didn't take more than 4 weeks then there wasn't going to be a need of a refund).
So again, I'm sorry Steve. Hopefully we can get this all sorted this month.

Just had to get it out of my system, folks won't get off my back because I've been using their cars.

[KMPrenger]

MACE,

I for one can appreciate what you are doing. The time, money, stress, and everything I'm sure is a killer.

I'd love to see what kind of power these cars can generate with a proper set of cams and a tune. If you don't mind me asking, with a tune/cams/heads combo what kind of gains are you seeing with the LY7 engines?

Even if the cam sizing issues are all sorted out, my worry is this: 1) Specifically for the LLT...can anyone tune it? I for one feel that if anyone has a shot, that IPF would get my money and taking on that project. That said, maybe if the cams are correct, maybe tuning wouldn't be too bad and Trifecta could do it as well? They seemed to have luck with Yellow_Glide's car BEFORE the ported heads went on.

2) My other worry is tuning with ported heads. I know this goes hand in hand with cams, but thats when Yellow's build went downhill and never fully recovered...at least not while it was at RX. I know he is still looking into more options so hopefully we will see more coming out of that. Maybe since tuning the 2012 LFX is easier, we will see more success there.

I'm not sure if cams would be a mod for me since it seems low rpm power shifts to high rpm power, but still..I'd love to see somone hit about 400 crank HP!

[esponda]

Originally Posted by vong

I knew I'd be the first in Australia but I didn't think it'd take almost a year. You assured me they'd fit. Remember when you said you got a cam from Holden and said they looked the same then turned out the oil return galleries were in different positions.

Seeing how much crap you've gone through I do apologize for what I've said. I shouldn't be frustrated with you, more so Tighe Cams for taking forever and 0.8MM difference (if Tighe Cams didn't take more than 4 weeks then there wasn't going to be a need of a refund).
So again, I'm sorry Steve. Hopefully we can get this all sorted this month.

Just had to get it out of my system, folks won't get off my back because I've been using their cars.

Lol same. Took a parents car for a week, had my gf drive me everywhere last week. Why are rentals so expensive??!

Damn 4 weeks?! Not sure I can manage 4 weeks + shipping to the USA for a new grind...Austrialian customs took like 3 weeks last time to let the cams through (when I sent back to MACE was faster when MACE sent to me)

[vong]

Originally Posted by esponda

Damn 4 weeks?! Not sure I can manage 4 weeks + shipping to the USA for a new grind...Austrialian customs took like 3 weeks last time to let the cams through (when I sent back to MACE was faster when MACE sent to me)

Tighe Cams took 4 months to make and send us the new cams. They had to make a new design halfway through.