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The_Stache · 05-31-2008, 08:10 PM

Welp, it was said and it happened...

An electrician working at General Motors' Oshawa Assembly Plant lost his job this past week after company officials linked him to the leak of several photos showing a prototype Camaro body shell. The photos found their way onto the internet May 22nd and were published by multiple major automotive websites, including Leftlane.

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Congoman775 · 05-31-2008, 08:16 PM

sucks for him.

MerF · 05-31-2008, 08:19 PM

I wonder if our Oshawa contacts had anything to do with the NARC. On one hand I don't blame them, I imagine this made working in the plant a nightmare (can we all say "kneejerk" 5 times fast?) and resolution will always help these matters...on the other hand that really sucks for the poor sap.

djgrind45 · 05-31-2008, 09:02 PM

i really feel bad for that guy. Hes tring to take pictures for us to see how our camaro is goin and he gets fired thats a job i would not want to loose why would they fire him for that shit tho

*The_Blur* · 05-31-2008, 09:09 PM

Don't let this happen to you. GM employees need to be careful when leaking information to the public.

stovt001 · 05-31-2008, 10:00 PM

When you're in sensitive positions like that it can be really hard. I work for Disney, specifically Disneyland and our fan community could just blow the Camaro fan community away (sorry, no offense, its just bigger). In my job I have access to a lot of cool information, including previews of two new attractions not open yet. It is very tempting to pass this stuff on to the fans, but I can't and in the end I really don't want to anyway. A lot of the stuff I see and hear involves projects that aren't 100% guest ready yet, so things could still change. Our imagineers go through a lot of trouble to put on the best show for our guests, and if someone like me let the air out of their balloon by leaking stuff early that just wouldn't be fair to them. Its the exact same way with the Camaro. So if you're in a position to leak stuff, take a moment to consider if 1) losing your job is worth it and 2) creating problems for other people on the team is worth it. Chances are good the answer is no. I appreciate hearing info from GM employees in the know, but make sure its all authorized.

MerF · 05-31-2008, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by djgrind45

i really feel bad for that guy. Hes tring to take pictures for us to see how our camaro is goin and he gets fired thats a job i would not want to loose why would they fire him for that shit tho

Because it gives GM's competitors an insight to the production techniques of the car, and maybe a little too much about the car itself. The less the competition knows, the better.

z28camaro2471 · 05-31-2008, 10:20 PM

I have access to lots of confidential/proprietary information. I don't even tell people where I work. It just makes it easier. I feel sorry for the guy, but to me, like plenty of people, I have 1 income and 5 mouths to feed not including pets, so I, when it comes to my job, don't take any chances.

mxkx250 · 05-31-2008, 11:06 PM

Why didn't GM just request that the pictures be taken down like they did with the first leaked prototype pictures a couple years ago. Any sites that wanted a friendly relationship with GM did so. I know a few wouldn't care, but they wouldn't be widely distributed. I was a member of LS1 Tech at the time and they took them down.

The_Stache · 06-01-2008, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by mxkx250

Why didn't GM just request that the pictures be taken down like they did with the first leaked prototype pictures a couple years ago. Any sites that wanted a friendly relationship with GM did so. I know a few wouldn't care, but they wouldn't be widely distributed. I was a member of LS1 Tech at the time and they took them down.

Because every employee signs a non-disclosure agreement and GM has a 0 tolerance policy. The wrong piece of information leaked could literally cost the company lots of money.

While I feel sorry for him, thats the chance he took when he took the pictures, regardless of the reason.

*TAG UR IT* · 06-01-2008, 12:30 AM

Well, dude knew better than to take the pictures. But, it was supposedly for his son. I can understand wanting to share w/ your FAMILY. But, he SHOULD have been more careful w/ his phone and showing the pictures. Show them to the son and his friends and then DELETE them....simple as that.

Poor guy....28 years GONE. Feel bad for him.

*DGthe3* · 06-01-2008, 02:31 AM

While its unfortunate that he got fired because friends of his kids posted the pics. If they didn't, nobody would have known. But since taking the photos is supposed to be grounds for dismissal anyway you can't quite blame them. This whole thing shows why they say don't take any pics. Even if you never plan on them leaving your camera, you run the risk of something like this happening. Also, GM needs to enforce its policy to deter anyone else from trying the same thing.

2KZ28_For_Now · 06-01-2008, 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by DGthe3

While its unfortunate that he got fired because friends of his kids posted the pics. If they didn't, nobody would have known. But since taking the photos is supposed to be grounds for dismissal anyway you can't quite blame them. This whole thing shows why they say don't take any pics. Even if you never plan on them leaving your camera, you run the risk of something like this happening. Also, GM needs to enforce its policy to deter anyone else from trying the same thing.

They already did.

I do not agree that the photos posted were worth trashing the career of a faithful 20+ year veteran of the company.

Regardless of circumstance.

yes, the policies are written in stone.

But, they should require a "human" to review the details.

Unfortunately, lawyers do not meet the minimum system requirements to be considered "human."

That sucks.

Had2F's · 06-01-2008, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by 2KZ28_For_Now

They already did.

I do not agree that the photos posted were worth trashing the career of a faithful 20+ year veteran of the company.

Regardless of circumstance.

yes, the policies are written in stone.

But, they should require a "human" to review the details.

Unfortunately, lawyers do not meet the minimum system requirements to be considered "human."

That sucks.

(Insert your favorite lawyer joke here)

The only problem with "review the details" and considering an exception based on circumstance X, Y, or Z, is that, in short order, they would have a rule with so many exceptions to the rule, that it becomes a major hassle to deal with on daily basis - at best - and worthless most of the time.

And.....you have to have a lawyer review any decision you make, so you don't overlook any of the exceptions......

05-31-2008, 08:10 PM	#1
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06-01-2008, 02:31 AM	#12
DGthe3 Moderator.ca Drives: 05 Grand Am GT Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Niagara, Canada Posts: 25,372	While its unfortunate that he got fired because friends of his kids posted the pics. If they didn't, nobody would have known. But since taking the photos is supposed to be grounds for dismissal anyway you can't quite blame them. This whole thing shows why they say don't take any pics. Even if you never plan on them leaving your camera, you run the risk of something like this happening. Also, GM needs to enforce its policy to deter anyone else from trying the same thing. __________________ Note, if I've gotten any facts wrong in the above, just ignore any points I made with them __________________ Originally Posted by FbodFather My sister's dentist's brother's cousin's housekeeper's dog-breeder's nephew sells coffee filters to the company that provides coffee to General Motors...... ........and HE WOULD KNOW!!!! __________________ Camaro Fest sub-forum

05-31-2008, 08:16 PM	#2
Congoman775 Drives: Muscle Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Florida Posts: 1,315	sucks for him.

05-31-2008, 08:19 PM	#3
MerF Go Rays! Drives: 03 Trailblazer Join Date: May 2007 Location: St Pete, Florida Posts: 2,533	I wonder if our Oshawa contacts had anything to do with the NARC. On one hand I don't blame them, I imagine this made working in the plant a nightmare (can we all say "kneejerk" 5 times fast?) and resolution will always help these matters...on the other hand that really sucks for the poor sap.

05-31-2008, 10:00 PM	#6
stovt001 Drives: 2006 Cobalt, 2004 Taurus wagon Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: California Posts: 3,812	When you're in sensitive positions like that it can be really hard. I work for Disney, specifically Disneyland and our fan community could just blow the Camaro fan community away (sorry, no offense, its just bigger). In my job I have access to a lot of cool information, including previews of two new attractions not open yet. It is very tempting to pass this stuff on to the fans, but I can't and in the end I really don't want to anyway. A lot of the stuff I see and hear involves projects that aren't 100% guest ready yet, so things could still change. Our imagineers go through a lot of trouble to put on the best show for our guests, and if someone like me let the air out of their balloon by leaking stuff early that just wouldn't be fair to them. Its the exact same way with the Camaro. So if you're in a position to leak stuff, take a moment to consider if 1) losing your job is worth it and 2) creating problems for other people on the team is worth it. Chances are good the answer is no. I appreciate hearing info from GM employees in the know, but make sure its all authorized.

05-31-2008, 10:20 PM	#8
z28camaro2471 C5 Member #227 Drives: Camaros Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: NY Posts: 808	I have access to lots of confidential/proprietary information. I don't even tell people where I work. It just makes it easier. I feel sorry for the guy, but to me, like plenty of people, I have 1 income and 5 mouths to feed not including pets, so I, when it comes to my job, don't take any chances.

05-31-2008, 11:06 PM	#9
mxkx250 Drives: 12 ZL1, 98 Camaro SS, 67 RS/SS Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Morgantown, WV Posts: 385 View My Garage	Why didn't GM just request that the pictures be taken down like they did with the first leaked prototype pictures a couple years ago. Any sites that wanted a friendly relationship with GM did so. I know a few wouldn't care, but they wouldn't be widely distributed. I was a member of LS1 Tech at the time and they took them down.

06-01-2008, 12:30 AM	#11
TAG UR IT www.Camaro5store.com Drives: 2014 ZL1 #705 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: SA, Texas Posts: 26,558 View My Garage	Well, dude knew better than to take the pictures. But, it was supposedly for his son. I can understand wanting to share w/ your FAMILY. But, he SHOULD have been more careful w/ his phone and showing the pictures. Show them to the son and his friends and then DELETE them....simple as that. Poor guy....28 years GONE. Feel bad for him.