Frontal shot of new Camaro.......

[fastball]

Originally Posted by fbodfather

You are wise beyond your years.

(by the way -- for what it's worth -- Camaro got approval to move forward in August of 06-- with major work beginning in September of 06--- that's just about 25 months -- the original Camaro took longer.......

Something I'll add that I think people (even you, Scott) seem to overlook (in fact it just occured to me as well, so we're all guilty).......

The original Camaro took longer to develop, but I guarantee you people were not all over GM and their employees begging them to get the car out to production immediately. Back then, even Corvettes could be developed in secrecy. Today, with the internet and glaring 24/7/365 news coverage, every little thing a large, public company like GM does will inevitably be traced by the public before too long. Add to the fact that everyone has a cell phone camera or a cheap portable camera (how much were cameras back in 1965 or 66???), and what used to be easily kept under wraps is not so easy today.

So, what happens is what used to seem like no time at all suddenly seems like an eternity because we've been following every move of the Camaro since the concept's unveiling in January of 2006. In August the formal anouncement for production was made, and people seem to think the car should have been ready in a year. Heck, I'm only 30 and I can remember when concepts at auto shows were supposed to be depicting a car they will build 10 years into the future. And now we expect them to magically appear overnight at some factory? I think this is the first time in history that the general public has had such access to the step-by-step development of a specific car (authorized or not) to this level. Detailed pictures of incomplete interiors, models, pre-production test cars..... we are seeing the inner workings of what it takes to go from concept to production.

I don't know if it's good or not. I mean, I just love tracking the development of my next car before it's even built, but there are too many people forgetting the car is not complete and forming opinions about it. They see it as it is, forgetting it's not complete and in their mind it is. Heck, it's not even complete in the engineer's minds yet - the final production car is not ready. It's a work in progress. I can see how easy it is to forget, when you see real pictures of a car.

[2001ragtop]

Originally Posted by C3GM

Yuck? Well, I just bought a 2007 Mustang GT. The first Ford in my life......GM, came too late to the game, and is going to get crushed by the new 'Stang and upcoming Charger...

If you just bought a mustang, be sure to read these threads about spark plugs coming loose and shooting out of the engine. There is an endless amount of reports below. Very expensive repair. Not sure if GM motors experience same thing.
This isn't a flame because I love both mustangs and camaros.

http://www.bullittarchive.com/1020.htm
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/autom...ord_spark.html

[2010_5thgen]

Originally Posted by stovt001

OK then I guess it is a matter of taste. I just prefer that as far as vents go, I want them functional or not there at all.

theres always the after market!! im sure someone is going to be making a rear brake cooling kit where the vents will be cut out.

[2010_5thgen]

what are the odds that the front intake will be functional????

[munkee drummer]

Just want to know how many of you will get the back brakes hot enough to require cooling? Your not gonna drive at Bristol in August.

And anything worth having is worth waiting for. If you want a common Mustang just like everyone else then OK. I will prefer something new, different and stunning. I see Mustangs all day long and honestly they bore me. I'll wait and have people asking me is that a new Camaro? Kinda just like Harley Davidson Fat Boys. Hell everyone has one of those. Get something different for a change.

[fastball]

Originally Posted by munkee drummer

Just want to know how many of you will get the back brakes hot enough to require cooling? Your not gonna drive at Bristol in August.

And anything worth having is worth waiting for. If you want a common Mustang just like everyone else then OK. I will prefer something new, different and stunning. I see Mustangs all day long and honestly they bore me. I'll wait and have people asking me is that a new Camaro? Kinda just like Harley Davidson Fat Boys. Hell everyone has one of those. Get something different for a change.

Not only are Mustangs boring, but the GTs just aren't that fast. I work with someone who has an '05 GT stick, and someone else at work has a Saturn Sky Redline. The Sky Redline is a quicker car. And I will bet the Camaro will be faster than the Sky Redline.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by fastball

Something I'll add that I think people (even you, Scott) seem to overlook (in fact it just occured to me as well, so we're all guilty).......

The original Camaro took longer to develop, but I guarantee you people were not all over GM and their employees begging them to get the car out to production immediately. Back then, even Corvettes could be developed in secrecy. Today, with the internet and glaring 24/7/365 news coverage, every little thing a large, public company like GM does will inevitably be traced by the public before too long. Add to the fact that everyone has a cell phone camera or a cheap portable camera (how much were cameras back in 1965 or 66???), and what used to be easily kept under wraps is not so easy today.

So, what happens is what used to seem like no time at all suddenly seems like an eternity because we've been following every move of the Camaro since the concept's unveiling in January of 2006. In August the formal anouncement for production was made, and people seem to think the car should have been ready in a year. Heck, I'm only 30 and I can remember when concepts at auto shows were supposed to be depicting a car they will build 10 years into the future. And now we expect them to magically appear overnight at some factory? I think this is the first time in history that the general public has had such access to the step-by-step development of a specific car (authorized or not) to this level. Detailed pictures of incomplete interiors, models, pre-production test cars..... we are seeing the inner workings of what it takes to go from concept to production.

I don't know if it's good or not. I mean, I just love tracking the development of my next car before it's even built, but there are too many people forgetting the car is not complete and forming opinions about it. They see it as it is, forgetting it's not complete and in their mind it is. Heck, it's not even complete in the engineer's minds yet - the final production car is not ready. It's a work in progress. I can see how easy it is to forget, when you see real pictures of a car.

Excellent points; all of them (but especially the bold - I'm gonna repeat that later) The fact that we get to see this car as it progresses nearly every step of the way is entirely new to the buying public; to the enthusiast.

But the way I see it, it keeps our interest piqued. How many stories from people have you heard who say that if they hadn't seen the Camaro, they'd have bought a Mustang, or something else. How many of those folks do you think would have forgotten about the '10 Camaro if GM, and spy-photographers hadn't kept releasing little bits of stuff. They may not like it, because their excitement blinds many to the fact that it's not done. But this keeps buyers, and give us enthusiasts time to spread the word. I know I have been.

I see this 24/7/365 attention good for us, but I can't imagine the headaches it has caused Scott, and people on the team. On the other hand, they get a constant influx of opinions, responses, and ideas that may or may not help to shape the car as it progresses.

Bittersweet aspect of the 21st century, I suppose.

Originally Posted by fastball

And I will bet the Camaro will be faster than the Sky Redline.

Ahh! I hope so!!!

(nothing 'gainst the sky, of course)

[mprhead5]

I can't wait to see what they do for a rear spoiler. I still have my own plans for that though. It would be nice to see a functional scoop on the front. I don't know what they are thinking but that would be perfect for an airbox inlet. I wonder why its filled in? maybe just because its still preproduction

deffinalty going to hard to choose between this and a used c5 z06.

[SilverTurtle]

Originally Posted by stovt001

All of those things were optional and not that common. I looked through a number of 1969 and 1970 Camaros and Chevelles and very, very few had power accessories or 4 wheel disks. The point I'm making is that I'd rather not go retro at the expense of progress. Homages are all well and good, but I'd rather this be an improvement over the original.

I think you're taking these vaux vents way too seriously... I mean, on the Concept it was cut out to simply emphasize the look of them... I'd be willing to bet that there isn't any duct work or benefits from their existence on that car... and that car cost millions to build and wasn't metal, to the best of my knowledge... so you're missing the point that this is not a fiberglass body panel that you're talking about here... its metal and metal edges cannot be left out in the open because some people are not smart enough to keep their hands out of them... not only is it a design throw back to the '69 model, its just safer to have them non functional and not real... any other way would be reckless and potentially dangerous to the people who are not as smart as you that will, inevitably, be buying this car... if it is so important that it be an upgrade, design and patent the aftermarket part that will make them real.

for what its worth, the opening at the front of the hood on the C6 Z06 is not functional, either... its just there as a design cue... the Camaro, just like the C6, will most likely breath from the bottom... where all of the coolest air is... I know this isn't what most of you want to hear, but it is the truth... so while I'm quite positive that the front "ram air" opening will be there, I wouldn't count on it providing anything other than air flow over the motor to extract heat.

[angelreborn]

Originally Posted by TAG UR IT

I still want the vents cut out. They were cut out on the concept and looked great. I'm sure they can do it a whistling noise as other car manufacturers have done it before. It won't be a deal breaker for me, but I sure hope they cut them out. I see that the 69 didn't have it cut out, but if the concept was meant to be identical to the 1st gen and retro, GM would have done it differently. Times change which also allow for improvements. I think it would be an improvement to have them cut out. Having to clean the vents? That isn't even a concern of mine. I'd be happy to clean them...as I would have to clean the rest of the entire car as well. I seriously doubt it would be hard or anything...just more cleaning. Take a rag w/ soapy water and run it through the vent.

I agree! I am in love with this car!

[smike07]

Originally Posted by stovt001

By that reasoning, why should we have alloy wheels instead of the orange and chrome steel wheels we see here? Why should we have two body-colored side mirrors rather than the 1 chrome side mirror on the '69 model? Why not just clone the '69 model like the Challenger basically cloned its '70 model? Heck lets go all the way and bring back carburation, drum brakes, no power accessories, and steering ratios similar to lottery odds.

Let's not get too carried away here. It's the Camaro, not the Challenger. The Camaro is simply paying homage, not cloning the '69. The design Q's were actually taken from an F22 Raptor, and some type of bird of prey (i think a hawk or a falcon). They just found a way to tie in the '69 with the rest.

[TAG UR IT]

IMO, I don't really care if the rear vents actually "work" to cool the rear brakes and have ducting, etc. All I want is for the holes to be cut out for aesthetic purposes

[stovt001]

I still don't get how adding ridges that look like fake vents is supposed to be a styling element? What does it do besides "make it look fast" or some nonsense like that. I'm fine if the CAI comes from under the car if that works better. But if you do that, why put a phony vent on top? Just don't put anything there. I'm totally ok with not having functional vents. The car will run just fine without them. But if you don't need them, then don't chisel some lines out half-heartedly and call it a "vent". Putting them in just makes it harder to produce, harder to wash, and easier for people to assume the styling is writing speed checks the car can't cash.

[chevys]

There was one shot of the car that had the z28 emblem in the grill and it looked bad assed to me. Im too old to look up the post. I think there is a ton of room for improvment. IM sorta torn. The rear looks great and the front may take some time to grow on me. Kinda like headlights on you gf.

Still, Im optomistic and not a camaro hater and thats coming from a mustang owner.