10L90E Swap: Is it possible, and how would it work? - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

2SSHADOWLSX · 02-02-2023, 02:12 PM

Recently have been looking into 10L90E swapping my 6 Speed Manual equipped SS. I know it has to definitely be possible in some capacity as GM wouldn't sell the transmission and TCM if it wasn't. I'd just like to know if anyone has any sort of experience in the matter or relatable knowledge regarding an automatic conversion. Would I be able to use my existing ECU, swap out for an Automatic ECU, or go with a drop-in ECU? How would the transmission fit in the car, would it need to be modified to fit in? Seems like a daunting task as far as tuning is concerned, but on the mechanical side it doesn't seem all that difficult. Any thoughts?

gtstorey · 02-02-2023, 03:13 PM

does GM or anyone sell a standalone TCM for that? If so it might be possible. Still might have trouble since the stock ECM will be expecting certain signals that it won't be getting. And re-flashing to automatic operating system would only be worse. If GM has standalone TCM, a standalone aftermarket ECU might control the engine, but you will have to work around a lot of details to make everything else work.

Aqua Blue RS/SS · 02-02-2023, 04:45 PM

I believe it was Janetty racing that posted on here they did some digging and it’s not possible with anything other than the modern LT engines.

2SSHADOWLSX · 02-02-2023, 11:38 PM

GM sells the 10L90E with a TCM together for $5000. I'd like to think all it would require to hook up to the LS3 is the right adapter, or something of the sort. Don't see why it wouldn't be able to work tuning wise with a drop-in ECU.

bottletalk · 02-03-2023, 12:19 AM

all I know is that the 10l90e has more sensors and solenoids and isn't compatible with the canbus on the genv but with alot of work theoretically you can get it work with another ECU....meaning 2 ECU's.
not worth it

Aqua Blue RS/SS · 02-03-2023, 06:53 AM

https://www.camaro5.com/forums/showt...ighlight=10L80
Read janetty racings post in this thread.

102SS · 02-03-2023, 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aqua Blue RS/SS

I believe it was Janetty racing that posted on here they did some digging and it’s not possible with anything other than the modern LT engines.

This has been done in a Chevy SS Sedan

https://www.lsxmag.com/news/worlds-f...zine%206-12-24

gtstorey · 02-03-2023, 10:38 AM

"The SuperMatic™ 10L90-E 10-speed automatic transmission offers a technologically advanced balance of performance and efficiency when matched with Chevrolet Performance’s Gen V Crate Engines"

Leo72793 · 03-22-2024, 09:51 PM

old thread but its coming yall. https://www.powertrainswapsolutions.com/

Moto-Mojo · 03-23-2024, 09:00 AM

I just bought a Silverado with a 10-speed trans. They have some quirks. They shudder a bit and just feel like they struggle to know what gear they want to be in. In fact, there are CSP's and TSR's on my truck and 6th Gen Camaros. Also, as I understand it, it was a collab with Ford. So you got that going for ya!

I guess I'm not completely sure if we're talking the same tranny but I suspect we are.

https://gmauthority.com/blog/2024/03...on-gear-issue/

Moto-Mojo · 03-23-2024, 09:09 AM

On a positive note, I will say, they have the DFM (new AFM) dialed in. You cannot tell when it's running on anywhere from 0-8 cylinders. No detection of it going in and out of it. While that isn't appealing in and of itself, I don't feel compelled to have it tuned out now. Sorry to change the subject...

sinisterZL1 · 07-20-2024, 08:05 PM

Power train swap solution offers a kit now. Looking into one.

olblue75 · 07-20-2024, 08:51 PM

I went to PSS and didn’t see anything for a 5th Gen.

102SS · 07-21-2024, 05:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by olblue75

I went to PSS and didn’t see anything for a 5th Gen.

It fits a G8 GT or GXP or the SS and Caprice so it will fit a 5th Gen Camaro.

I posted this thread about 6 weeks ago

https://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=625947

Link to the LSX magazine article

https://www.lsxmag.com/news/worlds-f...zine%206-12-24

02-02-2023, 02:12 PM	#1
2SSHADOWLSX NightFuryCamaro Drives: 2012 Camaro 2SS Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: New Jersey Posts: 33	10L90E Swap: Is it possible, and how would it work? Recently have been looking into 10L90E swapping my 6 Speed Manual equipped SS. I know it has to definitely be possible in some capacity as GM wouldn't sell the transmission and TCM if it wasn't. I'd just like to know if anyone has any sort of experience in the matter or relatable knowledge regarding an automatic conversion. Would I be able to use my existing ECU, swap out for an Automatic ECU, or go with a drop-in ECU? How would the transmission fit in the car, would it need to be modified to fit in? Seems like a daunting task as far as tuning is concerned, but on the mechanical side it doesn't seem all that difficult. Any thoughts? __________________ Follow me on Instagram and TikTok! @NightFuryCamaro https://www.instagram.com/nightfurycamaro/ https://www.tiktok.com/@nightfurycamaro

02-02-2023, 04:45 PM	#3
Aqua Blue RS/SS Drives: ABM #93 Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: Lotaburger Posts: 2,851	I believe it was Janetty racing that posted on here they did some digging and it’s not possible with anything other than the modern LT engines. __________________ ABM #2399 2SS/RS:SOLD ABM #93 2SS/RS Black Rally stripes, Titanium Interior 4,000 miles: GM GFX side skirts and diffuser waiting on paint, GM dovetail, GM heritage, RPI ZL1 style splitter. ‘87 IROC-Z Iroc blue. all original unmolested with 50K miles.

02-02-2023, 11:38 PM	#4
2SSHADOWLSX NightFuryCamaro Drives: 2012 Camaro 2SS Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: New Jersey Posts: 33	GM sells the 10L90E with a TCM together for $5000. I'd like to think all it would require to hook up to the LS3 is the right adapter, or something of the sort. Don't see why it wouldn't be able to work tuning wise with a drop-in ECU. __________________ Follow me on Instagram and TikTok! @NightFuryCamaro https://www.instagram.com/nightfurycamaro/ https://www.tiktok.com/@nightfurycamaro

02-03-2023, 06:53 AM	#6
Aqua Blue RS/SS Drives: ABM #93 Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: Lotaburger Posts: 2,851	https://www.camaro5.com/forums/showt...ighlight=10L80 Read janetty racings post in this thread. __________________ ABM #2399 2SS/RS:SOLD ABM #93 2SS/RS Black Rally stripes, Titanium Interior 4,000 miles: GM GFX side skirts and diffuser waiting on paint, GM dovetail, GM heritage, RPI ZL1 style splitter. ‘87 IROC-Z Iroc blue. all original unmolested with 50K miles.

03-22-2024, 09:51 PM	#9
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02-02-2023, 03:13 PM	#2
gtstorey Drives: 2010 Camaro SS2,L99, LSA SC Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 2,280	does GM or anyone sell a standalone TCM for that? If so it might be possible. Still might have trouble since the stock ECM will be expecting certain signals that it won't be getting. And re-flashing to automatic operating system would only be worse. If GM has standalone TCM, a standalone aftermarket ECU might control the engine, but you will have to work around a lot of details to make everything else work.

02-03-2023, 12:19 AM	#5
bottletalk Drives: 15 Camaro 2SS M6 Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: BC Posts: 732	all I know is that the 10l90e has more sensors and solenoids and isn't compatible with the canbus on the genv but with alot of work theoretically you can get it work with another ECU....meaning 2 ECU's. not worth it

02-03-2023, 10:38 AM	#8
gtstorey Drives: 2010 Camaro SS2,L99, LSA SC Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 2,280	"The SuperMatic™ 10L90-E 10-speed automatic transmission offers a technologically advanced balance of performance and efficiency when matched with Chevrolet Performance’s Gen V Crate Engines"

03-23-2024, 09:00 AM	#10
Moto-Mojo Fast Cars and Old Guitars Drives: 2015 2SS RS (L99, baby!) Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: N. CA Posts: 4,026	I just bought a Silverado with a 10-speed trans. They have some quirks. They shudder a bit and just feel like they struggle to know what gear they want to be in. In fact, there are CSP's and TSR's on my truck and 6th Gen Camaros. Also, as I understand it, it was a collab with Ford. So you got that going for ya! I guess I'm not completely sure if we're talking the same tranny but I suspect we are. https://gmauthority.com/blog/2024/03...on-gear-issue/ __________________ “I don’t want to belong to any club that would have me as a member.” - Groucho Marx

03-23-2024, 09:09 AM	#11
Moto-Mojo Fast Cars and Old Guitars Drives: 2015 2SS RS (L99, baby!) Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: N. CA Posts: 4,026	On a positive note, I will say, they have the DFM (new AFM) dialed in. You cannot tell when it's running on anywhere from 0-8 cylinders. No detection of it going in and out of it. While that isn't appealing in and of itself, I don't feel compelled to have it tuned out now. Sorry to change the subject... __________________ “I don’t want to belong to any club that would have me as a member.” - Groucho Marx

07-20-2024, 08:05 PM	#12
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07-20-2024, 08:51 PM	#13
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