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el ess A · 10-14-2013, 02:30 PM

But then, there was only ONE real SUPERCAR!!! (although it appears it's running a bit rich from the exhaust stains on the wall. His tuner sucks)

TripleBlkZL1 · 10-14-2013, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by hognutz

No way no how. it can be modified to offer near supercar performance.

love the car but supercar it is not. ferrari 458, macleran MP4-12C stuff like that is a supercar.

ZR1 is not even a supercar it just offers supercar performance.

supercars are not built off of other platforms. they just are supercars period. the ford GT was a supercar for example IMO. the new GT500 offers supecar perfromance in some ways but is not one.

the viper and the GTR are debatable. they are one platform only, perfrom well, not many made.

people will say there is no deffintion and they are right but still if you can go buy an economy version of it not a supercar in my book.

If the C6 ZR1 is not a supercar then I don't know what is...

DJ-Silver 2SS · 10-14-2013, 02:32 PM

I own both a modded SS and a ZL1, as well as owning a few M BMWs. I don't consider my ZL1 a "supercar", but I do consider it in the realm of some of the exotics. The ZL1 is a factory "exotic" with a limited production. So by this definition, it really depends on who you are talking to. I enjoy my finely tuned stock production car that is very capable in the road, the strip, and the track, and there are plenty of numbers out there that back up this statement.
I do fairly well for myself in the middle class segment of the US, and I can afford my ZL1, as where many others are slightly envious because they can not afford it. I don't hate them nor try to push them down. I was in the same class a few years ago, and I understand wanting and not being able to afford. Just my 2¢.

hognutz · 10-14-2013, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TripleBlkZL1

If the C6 ZR1 is not a supercar then I don't know what is...

it is supercar performance and then some for sure for sure. I still don't consider it a super car. they are friggen handfull though.

The odd thing about the C6 Z06 and ZR1 is there spaceframe is unique to them, they have carbon fiber parts etc. then the interior ripped right off from the base model. my favorite was the centenial ZR1 with a 3k carbon fiber roof and vinyl stickers over the top of it haha. supercars should never have vinyl.

when you own one of the two though most people have no idea what the difference is between the base model and that.

when you pull up in 458, LFA, MP4-12c, aventedor, zona, veron etc. there is not a 45k version that people think you have ha ha.

what I love about the vett's though is they rival cars listed above in speed and are atainable. if I did not have young children that is the car I would be driving right now. I could have bought a 2009 for 70k even though it was not as driver friendly as my Zl1 is by a long shot. I need at leat 100hp more at the wheels to rival the pull that car had though.

AbsoluteMayheM · 10-14-2013, 03:20 PM

Wow. .. It's not a super car, it's a muscle car!!

214Chevelle · 10-14-2013, 03:34 PM

Uhhh...that'll be a negative. Sorry to burst anyone's bubble.

Here's Wikipedia's definition of a supercar. Not saying this is the end all, be all for what a supercar really is, but this seems pretty much descriptive.

A supercar is a very expensive and fast sports car.Supercars are marketed by automakers as unusual and include limited production specials from an "elite" automaker, standard-looking cars modified for power and performance, as well as models that appeal to enthusiasts from smaller manufacturers.
"Supercar" is also a label custom car retrofitters reserve for their showcase, one-of-a-kind project vehicles; typically these are very extensively modified collectible muscle cars, sports cars or grand touring automobiles updated to the very latest "streetable" racing technology.

HERE'S THE LINK IF YOU WANT TO READ THE WHOLE THING. IT SAYS ALOT MORE......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercar

2SS45th · 10-14-2013, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ZL1-V

I have seen it before when the modded SS owners chime in on how their "modded car" is faster than a stock ZL1. That's cool you've got your car to that point and I'm happy for you as I would have most likely done the same route if I had not had the funds for a ZL1.

Was I just told I can't afford a ZL1?

Iroc-ZL1 · 10-14-2013, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ZL1-V

I own a ZL1 and as much as I enjoy my car I cannot classify it as a "Supercar". I had a friend (RIP) that owned all at one time Lamborghini, Ferrari, Acura NSX (supercharged) and a Porsche 911. The ZL1 is a Camaro that has added purpose built features to separate it from the SS build. I have seen it before when the modded SS owners chime in on how their "modded car" is faster than a stock ZL1. That's cool you've got your car to that point and I'm happy for you as I would have most likely done the same route if I had not had the funds for a ZL1. To be fair, compare your SS with the same aftermarket mods added onto a ZL1 and then what happens? Just enjoy the car?

TripleBlkZL1 · 10-14-2013, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by 2SS45th

Was I just told I can't afford a ZL1?

I'm pretty sure that's not what he meant

jessrayo · 10-14-2013, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 2SS45th

Was I just told I can't afford a ZL1?

I KNOW I can't afford a ZL1...

el ess A · 10-14-2013, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by 214Chevelle

Uhhh...that'll be a negative. Sorry to burst anyone's bubble.

Here's Wikipedia's definition of a supercar. Not saying this is the end all, be all for what a supercar really is, but this seems pretty much descriptive.

A supercar is a very expensive and fast sports car.Supercars are marketed by automakers as unusual and include limited production specials from an "elite" automaker, standard-looking cars modified for power and performance, as well as models that appeal to enthusiasts from smaller manufacturers.
"Supercar" is also a label custom car retrofitters reserve for their showcase, one-of-a-kind project vehicles; typically these are very extensively modified collectible muscle cars, sports cars or grand touring automobiles updated to the very latest "streetable" racing technology.

HERE'S THE LINK IF YOU WANT TO READ THE WHOLE THING. IT SAYS ALOT MORE......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercar

Uhh...quoting wiki is like quoting the crackhead down at the corner. Sorry, your wiki definitions are simply made up by someone else. Historically, it is incorrect.

Brownster · 10-14-2013, 06:24 PM

Depends on who's definintion of Supercar you use as gospel.
In my my mind, it is a supercar.
Ultimatley,thats all that really matters....to me.

mylftft · 10-14-2013, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ZL1-V

I own a ZL1 and as much as I enjoy my car I cannot classify it as a "Supercar". I had a friend (RIP) that owned all at one time Lamborghini, Ferrari, Acura NSX (supercharged) and a Porsche 911. The ZL1 is a Camaro that has added purpose built features to separate it from the SS build. I have seen it before when the modded SS owners chime in on how their "modded car" is faster than a stock ZL1. That's cool you've got your car to that point and I'm happy for you as I would have most likely done the same route if I had not had the funds for a ZL1. To be fair, compare your SS with the same aftermarket mods added onto a ZL1 and then what happens? Just enjoy the car?

I'll put my modded SS up against any ZL1 owner in this conversation! It'll be in Texas in less than 2 weeks for The Mile. Jess Rayo has the most modded car on this forum. What do you say Jess? They're both built by Andy, could be fun. Lets put this conversation to rest.

mylftft · 10-14-2013, 07:01 PM

I bought & am currently building a ZL1, my SS is for sale. The ZL1 is not a supercar, people can't tell the difference between it & a V6 unless they're parked side by side. Supercars don't have inexpensive look alikes. I think they're awesome cars, but some of you think your shit don't stink because you own one, relax, enjoy, have fun with whatever you can afford. Somewhere there are a ton of Ferrari owners laughing at us rednecks with our Camaro's.

10-14-2013, 02:30 PM	#43
el ess A Older Than Dirt Drives: 2010 & 2013 Camaros Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Aiken, SC Posts: 4,566	But then, there was only ONE real SUPERCAR!!! (although it appears it's running a bit rich from the exhaust stains on the wall. His tuner sucks) __________________ 2010 2SS TE, 1 of 822/2013 Camaro ZL1 vert, 1 of 54

10-14-2013, 02:32 PM	#45
DJ-Silver 2SS Ah DJ-IOM ZL1 haha Drives: 13 IOM ZL1 M6 & 10 SIM 2SS M6 Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Hope Mills, NC Posts: 580 View My Garage	I own both a modded SS and a ZL1, as well as owning a few M BMWs. I don't consider my ZL1 a "supercar", but I do consider it in the realm of some of the exotics. The ZL1 is a factory "exotic" with a limited production. So by this definition, it really depends on who you are talking to. I enjoy my finely tuned stock production car that is very capable in the road, the strip, and the track, and there are plenty of numbers out there that back up this statement. I do fairly well for myself in the middle class segment of the US, and I can afford my ZL1, as where many others are slightly envious because they can not afford it. I don't hate them nor try to push them down. I was in the same class a few years ago, and I understand wanting and not being able to afford. Just my 2¢. __________________ 2013 IOM ZL1 #002415 Born 09/13/12 2010 SIM 2SS/RS #005549 Born 05/02/09

10-14-2013, 03:20 PM	#47
AbsoluteMayheM LongTimeLurker Drives: 2011 SIM 2SS/RS Convertible L99 Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Napanee, Ontario Posts: 434 View My Garage	Wow. .. It's not a super car, it's a muscle car!! __________________ 2011 2SS/RS

10-14-2013, 03:34 PM	#48
214Chevelle Drives: 72 Chevelle Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Texas Posts: 116	Uhhh...that'll be a negative. Sorry to burst anyone's bubble. Here's Wikipedia's definition of a supercar. Not saying this is the end all, be all for what a supercar really is, but this seems pretty much descriptive. A supercar is a very expensive and fast sports car.Supercars are marketed by automakers as unusual and include limited production specials from an "elite" automaker, standard-looking cars modified for power and performance, as well as models that appeal to enthusiasts from smaller manufacturers. "Supercar" is also a label custom car retrofitters reserve for their showcase, one-of-a-kind project vehicles; typically these are very extensively modified collectible muscle cars, sports cars or grand touring automobiles updated to the very latest "streetable" racing technology. HERE'S THE LINK IF YOU WANT TO READ THE WHOLE THING. IT SAYS ALOT MORE...... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercar __________________

10-14-2013, 06:24 PM	#54
Brownster Drives: 1966 GTO Convertible/ZL1 Vert Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: NE N.C. Posts: 271	Depends on who's definintion of Supercar you use as gospel. In my my mind, it is a supercar. Ultimatley,thats all that really matters....to me.

10-14-2013, 07:01 PM	#56
mylftft Drives: 2013 TT ZL1 Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: NorCal Posts: 849	I bought & am currently building a ZL1, my SS is for sale. The ZL1 is not a supercar, people can't tell the difference between it & a V6 unless they're parked side by side. Supercars don't have inexpensive look alikes. I think they're awesome cars, but some of you think your shit don't stink because you own one, relax, enjoy, have fun with whatever you can afford. Somewhere there are a ton of Ferrari owners laughing at us rednecks with our Camaro's.