02-03-2011, 01:00 PM | #1 | |
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Treating combustion engine owners like smokers?
Read this editorial on a technology blog, while I think that emission restrictions are the biggest killer to American Automakers, I wanted to see all your thoughts.
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02-03-2011, 01:04 PM | #2 |
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Hmmm...I don't think the two are related. Carbon Dioxide and Water Vapor do NOT equal cancer-inducing tobbacco smoke, nicotine, and other nasty ingredients...
That said...the problem here is not the IC engine...it's the fuel. If anybody wants to reduce emissions and our dependance on oil -- change the fuel. It's the easiest fix in the near term. |
02-03-2011, 01:13 PM | #3 | |
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So what. They're renewable. But on the same ticket there are some tests that have shown that it's just as bad as using gasoline. So what. Give those few test results to a hippie spin doctor who goes at the 'issue' like a MadLibs book and they'll still argue "ICEs ARE BAD, M'KAY!".. in that same Mr. Mackey voice from South Park. Then in the same mindset read the article again. You're welcome in advance for the and headache. |
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02-03-2011, 01:16 PM | #4 |
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I agree completely. My father was one of the reps from Saturn working on the EV project when it was launched. Electric vehicles cause vastly more damage to the environment than a 5th gen Camaro SS. That was the real reason the EV1 was scraped, the batteries were too costly, unreliable and EXTREMELY dangerous to manufacture and dispose of.
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I think certain aspects of this article are very accurate. Our future is plagued with huge taxes and costs associated with running a gasoline powered vehicle. I don't think anyone but tree-huggers will look at you with disgust, but cost-wise it's going to be terrible. |
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02-03-2011, 01:30 PM | #6 | |||
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I'm happy to say battery tech has come a long way, and Li-Ion batteries are more easily recyclable/repurposed than those nasty NiMH's. Quote:
So long as we get our rear in gear on renewable fuels, I don't envision a problem. And I don't think we have a choice...electrics and hydrogen are far too expensive for 75% of people to buy, and the technology isn't practically applicable to larger utility-based vehicles like pickups... |
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02-03-2011, 01:36 PM | #7 | |
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Even if there's really no merit. I'm sure if you look hard enough you'll find it. God knows they would in order to vindicate themselves. So in the end... Do I agree with the idea that ICEs = Cigarettes? No. Do I agree that people are stupid enough to think ICEs = Cigarettes and attempt some kind of similar legislation while being ill informed? Oh HELL yes. Legislation = The Problem. Regardless of going full retard or not. |
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actually, I believe
gullibility = the problem.
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02-03-2011, 01:46 PM | #9 |
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02-03-2011, 03:02 PM | #10 | |
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"You NEVER go full retard!"
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02-03-2011, 03:17 PM | #11 |
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People like "cheap and easy". Even though the automobile is 15% of the problem, 20% I believe if you count commercial transportation of moving cigarettes to 7/11s, it is easy to pass laws and throw blame at the bad old evil companies. That way we (the people) aren't accountable.
You very rarely, if ever, hear anyone talking about how much energy your house uses and how much "stuff" goes out the chimney of a coal fired power plant. The automobile is one of the biggest scapegoats. You'd think the were autonomous robotic organisms from another planet sent here to kill us in car crashes and polute our environment and leave piles of old tires laying around.
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02-03-2011, 10:29 PM | #12 | |
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02-04-2011, 09:26 AM | #13 |
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This is the kind of stuff that makes me politically conservative. The same guys who argue that we need to legalize drugs argue that cars/smoking/whatever they don't like needs to be outlawed. When the government has the power to (I'll be kind) "regulate" normal, every day functions, then everything becomes politicized.
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