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Bizaro · 04-08-2015, 01:08 PM

new tires every 3-5k miles? Are we driving on roads made of cheese graters here?

Firefighter · 04-08-2015, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Bizaro

new tires every 3-5k miles? Are we driving on roads made of cheese graters here?

That does seem a bit excessive but my GY's were done by 8K. Probably should have been replaced sooner. They had two "track days" on them. Short Autocross type.

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VOGGS-LS3-1LE · 04-08-2015, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Bizaro

new tires every 3-5k miles? Are we driving on roads made of cheese graters here?

YES, very fun and curvy hilly roads and pittrace. www.pittrace.com

tjea · 04-08-2015, 02:15 PM

About that MotorTrend report.
The one parameter they didn't speak to was that the 1LE has symmetrical tire sizes and its suspension was setup for that. So putting the Z28 wheel tire setup could have caused a negative. Even if with the more and sticker Z28 tire wheel combo.
I put PSS tires on my 1LE after 12k miles. Hard for me to judge just the tires, had dealer install the Z28 suspension at the same time. All I can say is the overall combo is outstanding.
Getting to old to put on track anymore, but based on past track experience. the combo is pretty right on.

*Mr. Wyndham* · 04-08-2015, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by tjea

About that MotorTrend report.
The one parameter they didn't speak to was that the 1LE has symmetrical tire sizes and its suspension was setup for that. So putting the Z28 wheel tire setup could have caused a negative. Even if with the more and sticker Z28 tire wheel combo.

Z/28 is square as well. Just 305 all around, vs 285.

Thanks for the input so far, guys.

I managed to get 12,000 miles out of the Goodyears, and that included two autocrosses, and a hard HPDE. I drive on them in the wet, and in cold weather (down to 33-34º). Never had any daily driving problems.

In my world...that'll take me through 2 summers.

X25 · 04-08-2015, 02:46 PM

I tracked with PSS 285s, G:2 285s, and Hankook RS3s at 305/30/19 (with Z/28 suspension). Lap times were 2:02, 1.58.2, 1:57.2 in respective order.

PSS actually start with pretty good grip, on par with G:2s, but they quickly overheated despite mild weather at around 70 degrees. By 3rd or fourth lap, they got greasy and grip dropped significantly. I would not consider them appropriate for track duty. I have to say, I also tried them on my '13 Z06, and even though it took longer for them to get greasy (possibly due to lower curb weight), they eventually did about 10 minutes into sessions.

PSS warms up very fast at the street, and this also makes them great for autocross, at the expense of track capability. They just overheat in my experience.

backeddy · 04-08-2015, 02:51 PM

Pilot Super Sports SUCK! I will sell you the set in my garage that has 1 track day on them and no dd miles. NEVER AGAIN! I will only use the F1 G2's, as I have said many times, Craigslist is your friend for screaming tire deals. I have 20 F1 G2's and usually get them for less than $50 per tire. When it rains, the deals come out....

mbowen89 · 04-08-2015, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by backeddy

Pilot Super Sports SUCK! I will sell you the set in my garage that has 1 track day on them and no dd miles. NEVER AGAIN! I will only use the F1 G2's, as I have said many times, Craigslist is your friend for screaming tire deals. I have 20 F1 G2's and usually get them for less than $50 per tire. When it rains, the deals come out....

You're probably in a little special place though being in California. I doubt there's tons of G2's floating around Craigslist here in Indiana!! :(

Mikey D · 04-08-2015, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Bizaro

new tires every 3-5k miles? Are we driving on roads made of cheese graters here?

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Originally Posted by Firefighter

That does seem a bit excessive but my GY's were done by 8K. Probably should have been replaced sooner. They had two "track days" on them. Short Autocross type.

Mine were almost done at 7k with no track days. Probably could've made it to 8 or 9k if driven in summer time only.

tw78911sc · 04-08-2015, 07:15 PM

My experience with the Michelin's are that they are only good for about 5 hot laps, then the grip goes away, they scream out loud, PSI jump and the car is pushy/loose. If I got 6 track days and total 5K miles, that was all I expected.

My experience with GY's they do not falloff lap to lap, I can get a solid 4 days of track days, there will be tread left, but the heat cycles leave them really scary in the wet/cold. I only expect to get 3 to 4 K miles total.

I buy up GY takes offs all year long from people up north that can't drive them in the off season. I buy a new complete set for about $650 with a few hundred miles, I have 3 sets in the shed for this year.

I know I give up DD usability in the cold here (NC) with GY, but love the GY on the track. Typical concession in what you are looking for.

cornerspeed92 · 04-08-2015, 07:31 PM

All good info here, but to me there's a reason our cars come with the Goodyears!

L99CAMA2011 · 04-08-2015, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by cornerspeed92

All good info here, but to me there's a reason our cars come with the Goodyears!

yup. GM did a very good job. Choosing the right tire for this platform also with the Z28.

*Mr. Wyndham* · 04-08-2015, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by backeddy

I have 20 F1 G2's and usually get them for less than $50 per tire. When it rains, the deals come out....

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Originally Posted by tw78911sc

I buy up GY takes offs all year long from people up north that can't drive them in the off season. I buy a new complete set for about $650 with a few hundred miles, I have 3 sets in the shed for this year.

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Originally Posted by cornerspeed92

All good info here, but to me there's a reason our cars come with the Goodyears!

I think you're right.

You guys care to share where you're getting these tires from cheap? I promise, I'll only take one set!

So Cal Camaro · 04-08-2015, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

Interesting. I knew they "customized" the tires...but I thought, like they did for the ZL1 using the Goodyear tires, it was minimal - compounds stayed the same.

Could you elaborate?

The compounds and sidewall construction can very significantly based on my research. I've spent a fair amount of time researching tires and spent a significant amount on various tires...again, all PSS are not the same and they have been track tested, some of the fastest 5th gens that run the USCA Optima Search for the Ultimate Street Car run them(DSE White Monster, Ken Thwaits Z28 & 1LE), and the tires are all very specific models/sizes that are being used...

my favorite PSS Ferrari spec tire has been on backorder for 8 months or so, had to pick a different one in interim...

04-08-2015, 02:46 PM	#20
X25 Drives: '16 C7 Z51 Join Date: May 2012 Location: Redmond, WA Posts: 3,056	I tracked with PSS 285s, G:2 285s, and Hankook RS3s at 305/30/19 (with Z/28 suspension). Lap times were 2:02, 1.58.2, 1:57.2 in respective order. PSS actually start with pretty good grip, on par with G:2s, but they quickly overheated despite mild weather at around 70 degrees. By 3rd or fourth lap, they got greasy and grip dropped significantly. I would not consider them appropriate for track duty. I have to say, I also tried them on my '13 Z06, and even though it took longer for them to get greasy (possibly due to lower curb weight), they eventually did about 10 minutes into sessions. PSS warms up very fast at the street, and this also makes them great for autocross, at the expense of track capability. They just overheat in my experience. __________________ '16 Corvette C7 Z51 1LT (Build Thread) '14 AGM 1SS 1LE [COTW 11/17/14] (Build Thread) (SOLD) '13 Mazda MX-5 Club (Build Thread) '17 RAM 1500 Crew Cab 4x4 Night Edition '15 Nissan Rogue S AWD

04-08-2015, 07:31 PM	#25
cornerspeed92 Drives: 2013 1SS 1LE Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Colorado Posts: 4,188 View My Garage	All good info here, but to me there's a reason our cars come with the Goodyears! __________________

04-08-2015, 01:08 PM	#15
Bizaro Account Suspended Drives: 2015 Redhot 1LE Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Westchester NY Posts: 1,409	new tires every 3-5k miles? Are we driving on roads made of cheese graters here?

04-08-2015, 02:15 PM	#18
tjea Drives: 2014 1ss 1le Blk/Blk Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: NorCal Posts: 44	About that MotorTrend report. The one parameter they didn't speak to was that the 1LE has symmetrical tire sizes and its suspension was setup for that. So putting the Z28 wheel tire setup could have caused a negative. Even if with the more and sticker Z28 tire wheel combo. I put PSS tires on my 1LE after 12k miles. Hard for me to judge just the tires, had dealer install the Z28 suspension at the same time. All I can say is the overall combo is outstanding. Getting to old to put on track anymore, but based on past track experience. the combo is pretty right on.

04-08-2015, 02:51 PM	#21
backeddy Banned Drives: 2011 Boxster Spyder (best car ever) Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: San Jose, Ca Posts: 1,529	Pilot Super Sports SUCK! I will sell you the set in my garage that has 1 track day on them and no dd miles. NEVER AGAIN! I will only use the F1 G2's, as I have said many times, Craigslist is your friend for screaming tire deals. I have 20 F1 G2's and usually get them for less than $50 per tire. When it rains, the deals come out....

04-08-2015, 07:15 PM	#24
tw78911sc Drives: 14 1SS Camaro 1LE, NPP, Recaros Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: NC Posts: 819	My experience with the Michelin's are that they are only good for about 5 hot laps, then the grip goes away, they scream out loud, PSI jump and the car is pushy/loose. If I got 6 track days and total 5K miles, that was all I expected. My experience with GY's they do not falloff lap to lap, I can get a solid 4 days of track days, there will be tread left, but the heat cycles leave them really scary in the wet/cold. I only expect to get 3 to 4 K miles total. I buy up GY takes offs all year long from people up north that can't drive them in the off season. I buy a new complete set for about $650 with a few hundred miles, I have 3 sets in the shed for this year. I know I give up DD usability in the cold here (NC) with GY, but love the GY on the track. Typical concession in what you are looking for.