Shno's House of Z

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

Well the GS/Z07 should be very fast with the Cup 2s, CCBs and aero upgrades. I'm talking about the base GS.

Over on the Corvette Forum all we could come up with so far is; engine, hood (C7), wheels, fender vent, tail-lights (red) and the manuals gearing (better geared for less power).

I'd love to hear Number 3's and Pete's thoughts on the new GS.

[Bhobbs]

911 R seems pretty interesting. It's car built for purists.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

Over on the Corvette Forum all we could come up with so far is; engine, hood (C7), wheels, fender vent, tail-lights (red) and the manuals gearing (better geared for less power).

I'd love to hear Number 3's and Pete's thoughts on the new GS.

I need to see pricing before an ultimate opinion.

That being said, I think this is a huge improvement over the C6 GS. That was basically an LS3 Z51 with a dry sump. This is a Z06 without the Titan LT4 and is at a much higher performance level.

With the CC brakes as an option it will again depend on price.

If this is only $5,000 less than a Z06........then get the Z06. But if it's only a few grand over a Z51..........get the GS.

The wild card is has there been a weight loss or is it up just a Stingray with chassis upgrades and Z06 body kit.

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by Number 3

I need to see pricing before an ultimate opinion.

That being said, I think this is a huge improvement over the C6 GS. That was basically an LS3 Z51 with a dry sump. This is a Z06 without the Titan LT4 and is at a much higher performance level.

With the CC brakes as an option it will again depend on price.

If this is only $5,000 less than a Z06........then get the Z06. But if it's only a few grand over a Z51..........get the GS.

The wild card is has there been a weight loss or is it up just a Stingray with chassis upgrades and Z06 body kit.

This says it all,
"GM stated that the C7 GS (I assume GS/Z07) pulls 1.2 G's and was only .6 seconds behind the C6 ZR1 at Milford." That's with 178 HP less. I'm guessing $63,000. GS and $72,000. GS/Z07

[Bhobbs]

The Z51 starts at $60,400. I would expect the GS to start around $67,400.

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

The Z51 starts at $60,400. I would expect the GS to start around $67,400.

Tadge J. said about $8K more than a base C7.

[Firefighter]

$70K for that car seems fair in this day and age...

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

Tadge J. said about $8K more than a base C7.

That would be impressive. Not much more expensive than the Z51 and probably 1LE.

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by Firefighter

$70K for that car seems fair in this day and age...

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

That would be impressive. Not much more expensive than the Z51 and probably 1LE.

Yeah it's going to be hard to pass up. It's making me lose interest in the ZL1.

[Number 3]

This kind of makes me think about the necessity of 650 HP in a street car. I know there are many that think GM needs to up their game and go higher than the Hellcat, but realistically you can't use that on the street very well or often. Maybe some quick 0 - 60 runs on an expressway entrance ramp.

So this is all the goodness of the Z06 without the massive LT4. So if you want to go on the track, you have something pretty special, but for most, dare I say nearly all driving, the LT4 is just a big number.

Which begs the question on CTS-V. Can we get an LT1 powered version of that car? Or hopefully Chevy is considering an Alpha based sedan to replace the SS for 17 or 18.

Also if this does come in low 60's then will it destroy a GT350R without the Z07 package? Or even at 70ish for the Z07 package that should do it for not much more $$.

This also gives us a pretty good idea at what GM is pricing the LT4 as well when you finish the content comparison.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

Tadge J. said about $8K more than a base C7.

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

That would be impressive. Not much more expensive than the Z51 and probably 1LE.

8k-9k + 55k base car would put the Stingray Grand sport around $63,000. That's outstanding, and far enough away from the $80,000 Z06 to not cause problems.

Originally Posted by Number 3

This kind of makes me think about the necessity of 650 HP in a street car. I know there are many that think GM needs to up their game and go higher than the Hellcat, but realistically you can't use that on the street very well or often. Maybe some quick 0 - 60 runs on an expressway entrance ramp.

So this is all the goodness of the Z06 without the massive LT4. So if you want to go on the track, you have something pretty special, but for most, dare I say nearly all driving, the LT4 is just a big number.

Which begs the question on CTS-V. Can we get an LT1 powered version of that car? Or hopefully Chevy is considering an Alpha based sedan to replace the SS for 17 or 18.

Also if this does come in low 60's then will it destroy a GT350R without the Z07 package? Or even at 70ish for the Z07 package that should do it for not much more $$.

This also gives us a pretty good idea at what GM is pricing the LT4 as well when you finish the content comparison.

I tend to agree on all points.

Anything about 500-550 hp is.....just....not very useful. It's fun, no doubt. But there's a reason I didn't really miss the LSA when I traded into the 1LE. I want a 2SS/1LE, I feel that model would fit my habits and preferences the best....but since (right now) that doesn't exist, I've got my sights set on the ZL1. The only downside for me is that it has "too much power"...and is that a thing I can't deal with?

Anyways, a car with a chassis less likely to be overpowered by the engine provides for a far more exiting experience on the track.

I like your theory about LT4 pricing as well. Take a Z06...subtract the cost of the grand sport package, and what's left is the premium for the LT4 and related driveline reinforcement.

...which means we could take that number and add it to whatever the 1LE package costs........hmmmm. Oh, how I love speculation.

[Bhobbs]

I think a C7 wide body with an n/a engine around 530 hp would have been a lethal track car you can run all day. The GS Z07 is within 2 seconds of the Z06 around MRC, despite the hp disparity, if the times I could find are right. With the extra power, it probably would have been much closer. That may be why GM didn't add any. During the H2H between the Z06 and ACR, they said multiple times the Z06 is very hard to drive at the limit. Maybe 650 hp is too much for the C7 platform.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

I think a C7 wide body with an n/a engine around 530 hp would have been a lethal track car you can run all day. The GS Z07 is within 2 seconds of the Z06 around MRC, despite the hp disparity, if the times I could find are right. With the extra power, it probably would have been much closer. That may be why GM didn't add any. During the H2H between the Z06 and ACR, they said multiple times the Z06 is very hard to drive at the limit. Maybe 650 hp is too much for the C7 platform.

One of the articles mentioned it was within a second of the C6 ZR1, as well.

Maintaining speed around a track is far more important for lap times than the power required to accelerate around it...and this package (and the 1LE, for that matter) would seem to prove this.

[mlee]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

One of the articles mentioned it was within a second of the C6 ZR1, as well.

Maintaining speed around a track is far more important for lap times than the power required to accelerate around it...and this package (and the 1LE, for that matter) would seem to prove this.

Carbon Ceramic brakes to go with that power and you have the best of both worlds.

Just give me the raw power,... I'll figure out what to do with it on a car as capable as this.