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xx_ED_xx · 04-12-2012, 12:21 AM

Ok since it ate my first post i will remember to copy it before hitting send...

Ok so you have the biggest output.

From Quick times website that bellhousing at least the part number i see in the pic is for a viper trans behind a ls motor 6038

http://www.lakewoodindustries.com/ca...010_74512G.pdf

they list the depth as 6.322

When ya get a chance measure the thickness of the front plate they used to convert it to early style t56/tr6060. If they used a normal tr6060 input shaft length then hopefully it is 3 inches thick. Because supposedly your stock trans has a 9.5 inch depth to that same location. Supposedly the magnum input shaft is shorter. And I dont know if the ls1 style one is any shorter... I will do some digging

*SSE 4 2SS* · 04-12-2012, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by xx_ED_xx

Ok since it ate my first post i will remember to copy it before hitting send...

Ok so you have the biggest output.

From Quick times website that bellhousing at least the part number i see in the pic is for a viper trans behind a ls motor 6038

http://www.lakewoodindustries.com/ca...010_74512G.pdf

they list the depth as 6.322

When ya get a chance measure the thickness of the front plate they used to convert it to early style t56/tr6060. If they used a normal tr6060 input shaft length then hopefully it is 3 inches thick. Because supposedly your stock trans has a 9.5 inch depth to that same location. Supposedly the magnum input shaft is shorter. And I dont know if the ls1 style one is any shorter... I will do some digging

I'll do some measuring tomorrow, and post pics to go with it, but there is a spacer plate that we have to install for the throwout bearing... I may have the terminology wrong, but I'll show it along with pics tomorrow... We did have to use the pilot bushing for a Viper... The pilot shaft is .750 inches...So, it may be a completely different input shaft... one originally made for the Viper... All I can promise there is that it is beefy...

Blue70SS · 04-12-2012, 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by SSE 4 2SS

Back on topic....

We got the bell housing mounted this evening...

Tomorrow morning I have to notch the center console shifter opening in the trans tunnel...

We will then fit the trans onto the bell housing and get the pinion angles to match what we had prior to removing the factory cross member... We will then either fabricate a new cross member or modify the factory one to fit our needs.

Don't want to throw your thread way off track, but what's your opinion on that Quicktime bellhousing versus heat buildup. Do you think it will build up heat quicker than OEM and/or not expel clutch dust as well between 1/4 mile runs.... expecially, if used also for roadcourse too. Extra heat my be a price to have SFI rating, but couldn't get a good answer from vendor and it sounds like most have alot less ventilation for SFI rating

Unbelievable thread going here.....

Blue70SS · 04-12-2012, 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Synner

MTI is selling an upgraded urethane mount for the crossmember.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=181619

Thanks, maybe will be a heavy duty bandaid

*SSE 4 2SS* · 04-12-2012, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Blue70SS

Don't want to throw your thread way off track, but what's your opinion on that Quicktime bellhousing versus heat buildup. Do you think it will build up heat quicker than OEM and/or not expel clutch dust as well between 1/4 mile runs.... expecially, if used also for roadcourse too. Extra heat my be a price to have SFI rating, but couldn't get a good answer from vendor and it sounds like most have alot less ventilation for SFI rating

Unbelievable thread going here.....

Wow, hadn't really considered that... I'll ask around... but yes, I venture this one will retain a bit more heat if for no other reason than it is steel rather than aluminum...

I have no intentions of road coursing... though there are a lot that will I'm sure...

Let me do some checking...

Blue70SS · 04-12-2012, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by SSE 4 2SS

Wow, hadn't really considered that... I'll ask around... but yes, I venture this one will retain a bit more heat if for no other reason than it is steel rather than aluminum...

I have no intentions of road coursing... though there are a lot that will I'm sure...

Let me do some checking...

I'm considering doing the quicktime next time it's out. Looks like on hell of a unit, plus more accessable from pictures. Sooner or later all the tracks will require it anyway since it's available. I'll watch for your reviews and peak below at Cfest

*SSE 4 2SS* · 04-12-2012, 07:33 PM

Well today we got the fittings for cooling and sensors for various purposes moved over to the new transmission... I also did the preliminary cut out for the added length... I've got to trim a little more in the morning now that the trans is in the car... I was conservative with my first cut... Joe came by this afternoon and created all kinds of mayhem... J/K... Joe is going to be doing the repairs to the interior console...

Late this afternoon, we finally got to stab it in... It took a little doing but we got it and it looks great...

The black plastic piece is put there to help me gauge how much of it has to be cut... I've already trimmed some of it...

*SSE 4 2SS* · 04-12-2012, 07:39 PM

In these pics, you can see the adapter plate that the throwout bearing and slave cylinder rest against...

There are also various pics of the trans prior to stabbing it in...

*SSE 4 2SS* · 04-12-2012, 07:44 PM

Here's a few pics of the trans as it sits in the car... Bare in mind we haven't modified the cross member yet, so it is sitting on a screw jack... I have to trim the shifter hole about another three quarters of an inch prior to putting it to it's final position...

In the am, in addition to fitting it to its final position, I will be taking measurements and taking my drive shaft to Thrash is san Antonio to have the drive shaft length altered and the proper yoke installed on it...

calbert1999 · 04-12-2012, 10:05 PM

Work of art. Can't wait to see / hear final results. I don't understand all the technicalities but sounds, and looks very impressive.

xx_ED_xx · 04-13-2012, 02:38 PM

Hell I think even if i was paralyzed, I would still have a stick shift. Just get some hot nurse to drive for me

*SSE 4 2SS* · 04-13-2012, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by xx_ED_xx

Hell I think even if i was paralyzed, I would still have a stick shift. Just get some hot nurse to drive for me

That works

xx_ED_xx · 04-13-2012, 04:44 PM

Wish i was stateside, I am 99 percent positive the ls1 t56 tailshaft would of been perfect for your swap, no cutting required stock shifter location and the trans mount was further foward as well.

I can validate this when i get back. If it isnt too much trouble measure the end of the trans where the tail shaft section bolts on to trans mount, and then to shifter nub.

xx_ED_xx · 04-13-2012, 04:57 PM

Also where the stock crossmember mount hole is in relation to the same spot on trans.

The difference in shifter location from a ls1 t56 and a TR6060 is 3.5 inches
The big difference is the bell housing
ls1 = 5.5 inches
Tr6060 = 9.5 inches
so it should put the shifter within .5 of an inch and according to these pics the trans mount should be damn close as well.

04-12-2012, 07:33 PM	#119
SSE 4 2SS Boosted Moderator Drives: Bone Stock LS3 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Marion Tx Posts: 15,492	Well today we got the fittings for cooling and sensors for various purposes moved over to the new transmission... I also did the preliminary cut out for the added length... I've got to trim a little more in the morning now that the trans is in the car... I was conservative with my first cut... Joe came by this afternoon and created all kinds of mayhem... J/K... Joe is going to be doing the repairs to the interior console... Late this afternoon, we finally got to stab it in... It took a little doing but we got it and it looks great... The black plastic piece is put there to help me gauge how much of it has to be cut... I've already trimmed some of it... Attached Images __________________ If the car feels like it is on rails, you are probably driving too slow. -Ross Bentley Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall. Torque is how far you take the wall with you. “If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough.” Mario Andretti If you can turn, you ain't going fast enough...

04-12-2012, 07:39 PM	#120
SSE 4 2SS Boosted Moderator Drives: Bone Stock LS3 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Marion Tx Posts: 15,492	In these pics, you can see the adapter plate that the throwout bearing and slave cylinder rest against... There are also various pics of the trans prior to stabbing it in... Attached Images __________________ If the car feels like it is on rails, you are probably driving too slow. -Ross Bentley Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall. Torque is how far you take the wall with you. “If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough.” Mario Andretti If you can turn, you ain't going fast enough...

04-12-2012, 07:44 PM	#121
SSE 4 2SS Boosted Moderator Drives: Bone Stock LS3 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Marion Tx Posts: 15,492	Here's a few pics of the trans as it sits in the car... Bare in mind we haven't modified the cross member yet, so it is sitting on a screw jack... I have to trim the shifter hole about another three quarters of an inch prior to putting it to it's final position... In the am, in addition to fitting it to its final position, I will be taking measurements and taking my drive shaft to Thrash is san Antonio to have the drive shaft length altered and the proper yoke installed on it... Attached Images __________________ If the car feels like it is on rails, you are probably driving too slow. -Ross Bentley Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall. Torque is how far you take the wall with you. “If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough.” Mario Andretti If you can turn, you ain't going fast enough...

04-13-2012, 04:44 PM	#125
xx_ED_xx Drives: 04 Silverado Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Floriduh! Posts: 1,113	Wish i was stateside, I am 99 percent positive the ls1 t56 tailshaft would of been perfect for your swap, no cutting required stock shifter location and the trans mount was further foward as well. I can validate this when i get back. If it isnt too much trouble measure the end of the trans where the tail shaft section bolts on to trans mount, and then to shifter nub. Attached Images

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04-12-2012, 12:21 AM	#113
xx_ED_xx Drives: 04 Silverado Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Floriduh! Posts: 1,113	Ok since it ate my first post i will remember to copy it before hitting send... Ok so you have the biggest output. From Quick times website that bellhousing at least the part number i see in the pic is for a viper trans behind a ls motor 6038 http://www.lakewoodindustries.com/ca...010_74512G.pdf they list the depth as 6.322 When ya get a chance measure the thickness of the front plate they used to convert it to early style t56/tr6060. If they used a normal tr6060 input shaft length then hopefully it is 3 inches thick. Because supposedly your stock trans has a 9.5 inch depth to that same location. Supposedly the magnum input shaft is shorter. And I dont know if the ls1 style one is any shorter... I will do some digging

04-12-2012, 10:05 PM	#122
calbert1999 Camaro SS Lover Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS Black IOM Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Toronto, Ontario (Canada) Posts: 2,863	Work of art. Can't wait to see / hear final results. I don't understand all the technicalities but sounds, and looks very impressive.

04-13-2012, 02:38 PM	#123
xx_ED_xx Drives: 04 Silverado Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Floriduh! Posts: 1,113	Hell I think even if i was paralyzed, I would still have a stick shift. Just get some hot nurse to drive for me

04-13-2012, 04:57 PM	#126
xx_ED_xx Drives: 04 Silverado Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Floriduh! Posts: 1,113	Also where the stock crossmember mount hole is in relation to the same spot on trans. The difference in shifter location from a ls1 t56 and a TR6060 is 3.5 inches The big difference is the bell housing ls1 = 5.5 inches Tr6060 = 9.5 inches so it should put the shifter within .5 of an inch and according to these pics the trans mount should be damn close as well.