Only Real Competitor...

[StoutFiles]

Can we please try and respect the other cars we compare to the Camaro? When we say stuff like "Rustang" and "rice burner" we look like insecure kids who need to insult the competition to make ourselves feel better. The Camaro in my opinion is the best overall but there are things I like about all the other cars.

If you stay respectful to the competition your opinion will actually have some value as you won't come off like a one-sided Camaro fanboy.

[ArcAngel]

Man I will say this the g37 is not a direct competitor. Different clientel different price point. No one is cross shopping a G37 with a camaro not even close to the same buyer. That's the reasoning for the Z comparison. These cars will be cross shopped like it or not guys.

[Mormegil]

Have you seen the price of a loaded Genesis? It's almost the same as a 1SS. Who in their right mind would rather have a 305 hp V6 Hyundai instead of a 426hp Chevrolet?

[Chevyrocker]

Not to mention the Genesis coupe looks like the old tiburon...

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by ArcAngel

These cars will be cross shopped like it or not guys.

How much do you really think people are going to cross shop them? 2 seats v. 4 seater. V6 v. V8. Price differences, looks difference...I just don't buy it. They are comparable in performance numbers, and that's it.

[GTAHVIT]

This thread hurts my head...


Why do we do this over and over again. Maybe I'm simplistic... But, you get more for your money with the Camaro5. Bottom line.

Anyway. cary on boys...

[ArcAngel]

Cmon you think people care about the seats. I never did and never will. V6 v v8 cmon there 6 is as fast as our 8 let's be honest

[ArcAngel]

Besides you can get a 370z sport model for 30000 same as a 2lt and it will put the 2lt to shame

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by ArcAngel

Cmon you think people care about the seats.

The seats are what make it an entirely different car!! More weight, more functionality, more practicality. Not to mention that the Camaro has DOUBLE the cargo room...then you've got a hundred more horsepower, and the torque to go with it.

They are just not near the same class. One's a compact sports car, and the other's a midsized sporty 2+2. I mean, you might as well compare the Silverado to the Aveo because they go just as fast. I just don't get it!

Originally Posted by ArcAngel

Besides you can get a 370z sport model for 30000 same as a 2lt and it will put the 2lt to shame

The base 370z is 30k and change, there is no 370z sport model. But to get the ammenities the 2LT offers, you'd need to opt for the 370z touring, which is $35,000...then let me correct you and say the 2LT is $27k and change, not 30. That's almost an 8 thousand dollar difference. I don't understand that comparison...

[rgrizzard]

When you say competitior to the Camaro are you talking v6 or v8? Because the examples above are all over the spectrum...

[rgrizzard]

Originally Posted by ArcAngel

Cmon you think people care about the seats. I never did and never will. V6 v v8 cmon there 6 is as fast as our 8 let's be honest

How is it you lump everyone in under your opinion?

As far as their v6 is faster than our v8 I say we put both of the engines at the stop light and see which is quicker...

Oh wait we might need the rest of the car...

[rgrizzard]

BTW the Camaro is what we call a muscle car! No sake needed!

[GTAHVIT]

Here, I selected every option available from Edmunds and listed the specs from Edmuds for both car's highest trim levels. The only thing edmunds didn't have was the mpg of the L99.

Now you guys decide.

To me, the choice is obvious. But i'm biased...

2009 Nissan 370Z
Touring 2dr Hatchback (3.7L 6cyl 7A)
What Others
Are Paying

MSRP Invoice
National Base Price
A note about advertising fees $35,760 $33,122 $35,760
Regional Adjustment
for Zip Code Change - - $0
Optional Equipment $6,130 $5,172 $6,130
S01 Sport Package $3,000 $2,602 $3,000
U01 Hard Drive-Based Navigation System $1,850 $1,605 $1,850
K96 Aerodynamics Package $650 $498 $650
B95 Painted Splash Guards (4 Piece) $220 $165 $220
P93 Illuminated Kick Plate $200 $148 $200
L92 Carpeted Floor Mats $115 $89 $115
T94 Carpeted Trunk Mat $95 $65 $95
Color Adjustment - - $0
Not Sure
Destination Charge $695 $695 $695
Total with Options $42,585 $38,989 $42,585


Edmunds Type: Compact Coupe
Where Built: Japan
EPA Class: Two Seaters


Dimensions




Exterior
Length: 167.2 in. Width: 72.8 in.
Height: 51.8 in. Wheel Base: 100.4 in.
Curb Weight: 3314 lbs. Gross Weight: 3968 lbs.
Interior
Front Head Room: 38.2 in. Front Hip Room: 54.6 in.
Front Shoulder Room: 54.4 in. Front Leg Room: 42.9 in.
Luggage Capacity: 6.9 cu. ft. Maximum Cargo Capacity: 7 cu. ft.
Maximum Seating: 2

Performance Data




Performance
Base Number of Cylinders: 6 Base Engine Size: 3.7 liters
Base Engine Type: V6 Horsepower: 332 hp
Max Horsepower: 7000 rpm Torque: 270 ft-lbs.
Max Torque: 5200 rpm Drive Type: RWD
Turning Circle: 32.8 ft.

Fuel Data


Fuel
Fuel Tank Capacity: 19 gal.
EPA Mileage Estimates: (City/Highway/Combined)
Automatic: 18 mpg / 26 mpg / mpg
Range in Miles:
Automatic: 342 mi. / 494 mi. / mi.

2010 Chevrolet Camaro
2SS 2dr Coupe (6.2L 8cyl 6M)
What Others
Are Paying

MSRP Invoice
National Base Price
A note about advertising fees $33,430 $31,926 $33,430
Regional Adjustment
for Zip Code Change - - $0
Optional Equipment $4,725 $4,159 $4,725
WRS RS Package $1,200 $1,056 $1,200
MX0 6-Speed Automatic Transmission $1,185 $1,043 $1,185
CF5 Power Sunroof $900 $792 $900
W1H Inferno Orange Interior Accent Trim Package $500 $440 $500
Q9J 20" x 8" Front and 20" x 9" Rear Polished Aluminum Wheels $470 $414 $470
B7X White Stripe Package $395 $348 $395
K05 Engine Block Heater $75 $66 $75
YF5 California Emissions Requirements $0 $0 $0
NB9 Emissions Override $0 $0 $0
NC7 Emission Override $0 $0 $0
NB8 Emission Override $0 $0 $0
FE9 Federal Emissions Requirements $0 $0 $0
NE1 Northeast Emissions $0 $0 $0
L99 6.2L V8 SFI Engine w/ Active Fuel Management $0 $0 $0
Color Adjustment - - $0
Not Sure
Destination Charge $750 $750 $750
Total with Options $38,905 $36,835 $38,905

Edmunds Type: Midsize Coupe
Where Built: Canada
EPA Class: Compact Cars


Dimensions




Exterior
Length: 190.4 in. Width: 75.5 in.
Height: 54.2 in. Wheel Base: 112.3 in.
Curb Weight: 3860 lbs.
Interior
Front Head Room: 37.4 in. Front Shoulder Room: 56.9 in.
Rear Head Room: 35.3 in. Rear Shoulder Room: 42.5 in.
Front Leg Room: 42.4 in. Rear Leg Room: 29.9 in.
Luggage Capacity: 11.3 cu. ft. Maximum Seating: 4

Performance Data




Performance
Base Number of Cylinders: 8 Base Engine Size: 6.2 liters
Base Engine Type: V8 Horsepower: 422 hp
Max Horsepower: 5000 rpm Torque: 408 ft-lbs.
Max Torque: 4500 rpm Drive Type: RWD
Turning Circle: 37.7 ft.

Fuel Data


Fuel
Fuel Tank Capacity: 19 gal.
EPA Mileage Estimates: (City/Highway/Combined)

Highway: 23

Range in Miles:

[TT C6]

The ONLY competition for a new 5th Gen Camaro is a C5 Corvette.

The 370Z is a joke.
Don't even let me get started about the performance once a LSx is modded.
What are you going to do to the Z, add another mouse under the hood ????

I own a 350Z (G35x), and it's a peppy taxi cab, it ain't a performance car.