What we want to see on and in the Z28

[2SSRS@Gen5diy]

Originally Posted by alrox

None of this will ever make it to a production Camaro.

I think you are not right i know that gm has a car that has 335 on the rear, And we know that pedders is working with GM on a car.

Originally Posted by Vega

Nice approach, i like how you just give the specs of what you're looking for and will leave it up to GM to make the call on what specific parts to put in to make it happen, i agree with basically all of it, very good list here, the only thing id say is try to keep the price around $41k-$44k hopefully, just to keep it competitive with Ford and Mopar...i love the high speed stability stuff and the unique interior treatment as well, also maybe bigger brake rotors? Track testers have said the GT500 brakes get squishy real quick so lets try to up the anti on that, also id say lets keep this a strictly performance car with very few hints to luxury, cause if someone wanted luxury they could buy the CTS-V, leave the Z/28 to the performance district where it belongs

That price is not going to happen as it is to low

Originally Posted by shnomac77

I see the Z/28 differently......

Light weight rotors
Upgraded brakes
Lighter wheels 18 or 19inch
Tuned suspension
Lower gearing
Aggresive tune from factory
Free flowing intake and exhaust
Upgraded seats
Option to have it loaded like a 2SS or LS stlyle



Then have a all out super charged beast to challenge the other big boys in the class.... LZ1 style

That is a lot of what i want.

Originally Posted by Mythic

Actually I believe Scott said the rear components for the Camaro had been tested to 600hp,

In any event its probaly irrelevant. IF they put the LSA, in they will probably use the rest of the drive train from the CTS-V with its 3.73 gears and it Can handle the Hp.

And that is why a lot of guys on this site are braking parts.

Originally Posted by Vega

At this point im just worried that we're gonna end up with a re-badged, re-skinned CTS-V...havent we seen enough of that from GM already? I dont think i can ever trust re-badging again since it crushed my beloved Pontiac :'(

At 41k that is what we will get.

Originally Posted by Mythic

the LSX 454 weighs 568 pounds
LSA - 467lbs (dry)

If you read my first post you will see i said.
"motor: Me i like a aluminum lsx-454"

But for me i will take that motor over the LSA

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by 2SSRS

And that is why a lot of guys on this site are braking parts.

Beyond the known driveshaft issue (and fix) from the factory...what do you mean?

[Vega]

Well who says the Z/28 has to be priced with the GT500? When did Ford get to make the rules on what was priced where? I think thats the biggest thing thats getting people worked up over the Corvette vs. Camaro thing that the Z/28 would be priced with the Corvette, but who says it HAS to be a $45k car? What were the old Z/28s priced compared to SS Camaros in 69'? and what was that compared to the Corvette? Lets base our pricing off of THAT comparison, not the peramiters Ford has tried to set for the market...can someone post a comparison of 69' pricing please?

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by Vega

Well who says the Z/28 has to be priced with the GT500? When did Ford get to make the rules on what was priced where?

They didn't...they just happen to have an unchallenged competitor that the Z28 will most undoubtedly tackle. And you can't do that for cheap.

[2SSRS@Gen5diy]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Beyond the known driveshaft issue (and fix) from the factory...what do you mean?

First i did not know of the driveshaft issue, Can you tel me more on this?
And i was referring to the rear axial and CV joints braking.
And out put on the trans.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by 2SSRS

First i did not know of the driveshaft issue, Can you tel me more on this?
And i was referring to the rear axial and CV joints braking.
And out put on the trans.

It was the transmission/driveshaft issue (I probably misrepresented it). A small series of VINs were snapping like popsicle sticks because Tremec shipped a bad batch of transmissions.

And I wasn't aware of any rear-end breaks, or CV joints breaking. This is off-topic though, so please PM me if you wish to continue the discussion.

[2SSRS@Gen5diy]

will do.

[tru imperial blu]

uhh a f-22 raptor conversion kit

[Vega]

Personally i think the pricing of these cars should be proportional to how they were priced in 1969 compared to the inflation of today's market, with these prices you can obviously see what the difference was between the two cars and their trim levels, there was definatly no $22k base Camaro and $48k top trim Camaro (proportionally using today's economy), i think the Z/28 should be priced a little over double what the RS package is and should improve upon the SS' model with performance upgrades and such...i know its got a lot to do with the market these days and the competition and such but im really not digging paying $48k for a car that was originally designed as a cheap performance alternative, lol


Camaro (base) - $2,727
Camaro SS - $3,022
Camaro Z/28 - $3,185

Corvette (base) - $4,781
Corvette (427) - $5,813
Corvette (Zl1) - $7,780

-Numbers found using NADA "original MSRP" figures

[DRK]

Originally Posted by Vega

Personally i think the pricing of these cars should be proportional to how they were priced in 1969 compared to the inflation of today's market, with these prices you can obviously see what the difference was between the two cars and their trim levels, there was definatly no $22k base Camaro and $48k top trim Camaro (proportionally using today's economy), i think the Z/28 should be priced a little over double what the RS package is and should improve upon the SS' model with performance upgrades and such...i know its got a lot to do with the market these days and the competition and such but im really not digging paying $48k for a car that was originally designed as a cheap performance alternative, lol


Camaro (base) - $2,727
Camaro SS - $3,022
Camaro Z/28 - $3,185

Corvette (base) - $4,781
Corvette (427) - $5,813
Corvette (Zl1) - $7,780

-Numbers found using NADA "original MSRP" figures

Wow guys, I understand holding true to the 1st gen in many aspects of this car, but really, you want them to hold the pricing structure the same too?

If you want to compare it to the Corvette, it's already been stated it will be cheaper than the Vette, so it will be a "cheaper" (relatively speaking) alternative to the Vette, just like the original.

I think some of you guys are taking this whole "retro" thing a little too seriously....

[2SSRS@Gen5diy]

Originally Posted by Vega

Personally i think the pricing of these cars should be proportional to how they were priced in 1969 compared to the inflation of today's market, with these prices you can obviously see what the difference was between the two cars and their trim levels, there was definatly no $22k base Camaro and $48k top trim Camaro (proportionally using today's economy), i think the Z/28 should be priced a little over double what the RS package is and should improve upon the SS' model with performance upgrades and such...i know its got a lot to do with the market these days and the competition and such but im really not digging paying $48k for a car that was originally designed as a cheap performance alternative, lol


Camaro (base) - $2,727
Camaro SS - $3,022 but its this much $ 8000+ from base to 1ss
Camaro Z/28 - $3,185 but its this much $6000-12000

Corvette (base) - $4,781
Corvette (427) - $5,813
Corvette (Zl1) - $7,780

-Numbers found using NADA "original MSRP" figures

We will not see that.

[Mythic]

Originally Posted by 2SSRS

If you read my first post you will see i said.
"motor: Me i like a aluminum lsx-454"

But for me i will take that motor over the LSA

So what you meant was an engine that doesn't exist.

The LSX-454 is A specific engine. Specifically the one you linked specs for.

If you read up the tech notes for it, GM intended it to be cast iron to handle the bore and power adders

I don't think I'd really want to see the LS3 block bored out to 7.4L
What you really want is this LS3-427 from Mast. I can only wonder about its longevity though.

[Vega]

nevermind

[TheClassicCarKid]

LSA, under 4,000 pounds, front and rear sway bars, for under 50K.

Sounds reasonable enough to me.