Wow...can you give a bad review of the camaro before it's even on the market?

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by SilverTurtle

anyone speak Mustang-ese? will banging my head against the wall make this more understandable?

Engrish, prease.

Originally Posted by Max, translated by me

3,000 is nothing. GM is always late to the table....they don't lead: they follow the market. Once again they are chasing the Mustang.....and Ford did it with 281 ci at 300hp and 320 ftlb bone stock @ $27,000, and with a few bucks in modification you can make these cars very fast. I was once a diehard Chevy fan, but in 1980 Ford took over. I've had my butt waxed time after time by a Mustang and I'm not talking stock by no means....The new Camaro is a very good looking car, if not the best looking, I don't want a v-6 and at $31,000 for a base SS! What gives?

Is that better?

[BowtieGuy]

Originally Posted by Max

3,000 is nothing...GM is always late to the table....they don't led they follow the market
and once again they are chasing the Mustang.....And ford did it with 281 ci at 300hp and 320 fpt bone stock @ $27,000.....with a few $$ you can make these cars very fast....I was once a diehard Chevy fan,but in 1980 ford took over...I've had my but waxed time after time by a mustang and im not talking stock by no means....The new camaro is a very good looking car if not the best looking,i don't wont a v-6 and at 31,000 for a base ss !!! What gives ?

Three thousand in sales, for one car, in a single week, before production, is in fact a big deal. I don't expect you to understand. Ford wouldn't know quality if it got bit right in the "blue oval".

[SilverTurtle]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

Is that better?

better... but you still missed that one sentence where he says, "I'm not talking stock by no means"... which should read "I'm not talking stock by any means"


honestly, the whole paragraph just made me laugh because it was a rampant, mouth foaming tirade that the typical weenie-envying Mustang driver spouts off at car get togethers... and its just silly.

[SilverTurtle]

lets analyze this post and we'll see what all we can prove wrong here:

Originally Posted by Max

3,000 is nothing...GM is always late to the table....they don't led they follow the market

actually, 3000 cars is ALOT considering that the car isn't even in production... and these 3000 cars will be on the streets doing free advertising for them, along with however many more cars they produce in Q2 of 2009... GM, I must admit, is usually late to the game... but, you know, you always have to make a rough draft before you make a final copy... and its always been that the Camaro has been the final word in the Pony car market.

Originally Posted by Max

and once again they are chasing the Mustang.....And ford did it with 281 ci at 300hp and 320 fpt bone stock @ $27,000.....

enlighten me, oh wise one, with the knowledge of how Ford getting 300hp out of 8 cylinders and 4.6L is better than GM getting it out of 6 cylinders and 3.6L... because best I can tell, the math says GM is ahead of the game... and while we're talking about this, did you know that GM has been getting better gas mileage and performance out of 5.7L, and larger, pushrod engines than Ford has been able to achieve with these tiny little modular engines? did you know that GM had a 310hp Camaro back in 2002 that would completely HOSE a stock GT Mustang at the track? and it did it for the same money, or less, than the Mustang GT back then? how much do you want to bet that a 2009 GT Mustang has a hard time breaking away from a 2010 LS Camaro?

Originally Posted by Max

with a few $$ you can make these cars very fast....I was once a diehard Chevy fan,but in 1980 ford took over...I've had my but waxed time after time by a mustang and im not talking stock by no means....

and with a few dollars you can build yourself a 500+hp LS3 equipped 2010 Camaro SS... what's your point?

so lets say that you get a 2010 LS Camaro in August of 2009 and you pay $22000 for it... the reason you get $1000 off is because you're a smart buyer and you do some research of Camro5.com and find a dealer that sells it to you for this price... now a DI engine loves to be turbo charged... dont believe me, ask VW... they've proven this fact... and lets say you buy a turbo kit that is $5500, installed, which makes your Camaro LS a $27,500 car... now you've got about 450hp (if not more), and you're faster, lighter and better handling than a 2009 Mustang GT... and you're also going to get better gas mileage than that Mustang GT because you're using a turbo 6 with a six speed manual instead of a five speed manual that the Mustang comes with... which brings me to the next question I have about Ford: why are they STILL using that damn 5spd manual? its obsolete! get rid of it! how is GM chasing the Mustang if its using technology that was archaic in the late '90s while the Camaro uses the latest and most sophisticated transmissions?

Originally Posted by Max

The new camaro is a very good looking car if not the best looking,i don't wont a v-6 and at 31,000 for a base ss !!! What gives ?

what gives is that you dont know a thing about market share or market research... and you keep forgetting that the Mustang V6 is what sold like hotcakes to people who wanted the "cute" cars instead of the "fast" cars... and the "new" Camaro will offer more safety, performance and styling than a Mustang at any level.

and for those of us who DO opt to get the 2SS/RS and pay whatever price we do for it, I suggest you and your supercharged Roush Mustang get used to looking at the new Camaro's tail lights... and I'm not talking stock for stock when I talk about the SS Camaros.

[Dukeboy01]

When it comes to the Mustang's sales volume, how much of it is made up by fleet sales? The V-6 Mustang convertible is the go to car for convertible rentals in places like Florida, Hawaii, and California and has been for years. It's a cheap car that people love to rent for a week when they're at the beach, but would probably hate to own full- time.

The rental companies were/ are always going to buy the cheaper model to put in their fleets and the Mustang is cheaper than the Camaro and always has been. Even if the price gap was only $500, the rental company would see that as a huge advantage when choosing which car was going to be their "fun and sun" model. As it is, there's no question that the stripper Mustangs are going to be a better choice for this slice of the market than stripper Camaros.

If the market for pony cars is small to begin with, and one manufacturer has a price advantage, however small, that lets them move an extra 10,000 to 15,000 units per year in fleet sales, that could seriously skew the percentages.

[Milk 1027]

Silver Turtle




You get a standing ovation.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Just...watching for now.

[drivingincamaro]

silver turtle i give you a mass standing ovation

[SilverTurtle]

aww, shucks

[TAG UR IT]

^I could actually hear you "talking" while I was reading that post. lol

well put, Turtle.

[Evotion]

Originally Posted by Max

3,000 is nothing...GM is always late to the table....they don't led they follow the market
and once again they are chasing the Mustang.....And ford did it with 281 ci at 300hp and 320 fpt bone stock @ $27,000.....with a few $$ you can make these cars very fast....I was once a diehard Chevy fan,but in 1980 ford took over...?

I hope you mean "took over" sales. The 80's were not a particularly good period for American cars in general. Kinda like disco was in the 70's, you just have to hope you did enough drugs to forget it ever happened.

Originally Posted by Max

Ive had my but waxed time after time by a mustang and im not talking stock by no means....The new camaro is a very good looking car if not the best looking,i don't wont a v-6 and at 31,000 for a base ss !!! What gives ?

I personally, have never had my butt waxed, but I've heard it hurts... a lot. Seriously though... if getting beat by a Mustang turned you off to Chevy, then half the Mustang owners here must be running out to trade for an Evo.

[Warghost]

I can't believe this guy is so stupid. The only thing getting bitch-slapped is journalistic integrity. Anyway, I posted a response and sent an email to the editor asking for the article to be pulled. I respect freedom of speech, but this article contains blatant lies and inaccuracies.

I hope no one actually falls for the filth that Eric Peters is spewing. This article could do some serious harm when uneducated simpletons read it, take it as fact, and don't bother reading our corrective responses.

I clicked on his name to send him a personal email, but it only brought up a list of his other articles. You guys should read some of the other shit he's written. His newest article is titled "Ford's Brave New World". Seriously, I'm not a fanboy to any company, but that just made me laugh. Ah well, I hope Mr. Peters get reprimanded for this article. Maybe it will save someone from making a huge mistake if they decide to buy a Mustang based off of Eric Peters' idiotic opinions.

[Warghost]

Originally Posted by BowtieGuy

Three thousand in sales, for one car, in a single week, before production, is in fact a big deal. I don't expect you to understand. Ford wouldn't know quality if it got bit right in the "blue oval".

Now it's at 6,500. I think it's safe to say the Camaro is already a huge success, and they haven't even started production yet.

[z28ssadmirer]

just left a comment on the mans blog totally bashing him lol I think I hurt his feelings with that one the man was a moron and he should learn he calls himself the car guy when he sits and pinchs pennys to make due honestly you buy this car with your heart not your wallet your buying a piece of heritage when you purchase a camaro no matter what year gm has done the camaro justice this time i pray that his nuts will drop and he'll expierence that white knuckle tingling in his stomach that I get when I run my camaro in a quarter but he'll never expierence it like he would in a camaro because hes stuck on a horse dick that has shitty suspension and worse handling than any camaro yes I hurt his feelings and Im sure he regrets writing that article after all the oposing comments he had on it if I were him I wud retract that article and apologize to gm and even go test drive one so I would know more of what Im talking about talking about it will never sell and there are already what more than 6000 sold damn thats a shame that he ran his mouth like that