11-26-2009, 08:36 PM | #43 |
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even inches from the ground weight is weight. especially moving that weight around the track will cause some effect. but depending on where it's located could actually help more then hurt. power+weight+grip can equal a great car if done right. v6 TT will probably weigh in around an SS produce the same hp (for reliability reasons) or close. and only get better mpg. now if they took weight savings into account (ie carbon fiber, light weight alloys etc) then just maybe it could produce a better handling car. just maybe. doubt it. lol.
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11-26-2009, 08:59 PM | #44 | |
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Let's entertain the idea of a TT V6 for a moment: -It WILL weigh near as much as a V8 Camaro. No room for debate there. -The costs to create such an engine would probably be somewhere higher than the LS3, but lower than that of an LSA. -Those saved costs could be invested into weight-saving materials like CF, aluminum, etc...but the raw design of the Camaro makes this difficult, those rear quarters were stupid-hard to stamp out of steel...imaging trying to do it out of aluminum....all in all...you might be able to counter the weight of the turbos and get the car down to 3700...might. -The turbos + Direct Injection will provide substantially higher fuel economy. 29mpg highway is realistic. -There is NO handling benefit to simply an engine...to effect handling you would need to start with the tires, and work your way up to the engine being last on your list....meaning the car would have to be its own model, and a TTV6 is NOT essential to improved handling. In the end, I...PERSONALLY...think such a formula (minus the carbon fiber, etc) makes more sense as a new model; mid-range...or for a future SS model...shoot me, if you must. |
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11-26-2009, 09:18 PM | #45 | |
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a good transmission setup is another factor. even an auto transmission setup for more agressive driving will essentially make this car a winner. but there are trade off's with a more aggressive transmission setup, ie. fuel economy. But esentially a 6 speed tranny is a transmission with 2 over drives. make 6th ridicuously tall and you might be able to pull off the 29 mpg but the car would be very sluggish at 70 to accelerate any faster. (going up a medium hill you would have to down shift, yuck). believe me I'm all for a performance TTv6. just make it a new model though. lol. traditionalist when it comes to z28. |
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11-26-2009, 09:38 PM | #46 |
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What V6 would go in the Z/28 if they went the route of a twin turbo V6? Does GM even have a V6 that's designed for use with a V6? There's the V6 in the LT Camaro but that's not meant for a turbo. Throwing a turbo on that is just fine for GM's customers but GM would be unwise to put turbos on an engine that isn't meant for them. Especially on a high end car like the Z/28! It's too expensive to design an engine from scratch so GM most likely puts a better LS in the Z and calls it a day.
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We dont need no lazy mans automatic! Soon they will want camaros that turn for them too.
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11-27-2009, 12:48 PM | #50 |
The Z28 wasnt a dragstrip car? Bullsh@t!! How many Z28s have you owned ? Heres mine and its the real deal!
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11-27-2009, 12:54 PM | #51 |
O and Forlmula 1 cars are automatic-tapshift, Chevrolet even bought a Ferrari to find out how it worked,
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11-27-2009, 01:25 PM | #53 |
The Government will say, because they are the ones who bailed out GM. Cross the government, and see how far you get?
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11-27-2009, 01:34 PM | #54 |
The CTS V automatic was used to set the fastest lap time for a four door sedan at the "ring"
until the 150 grand Porsche panamerica recently eclipsed it by a few tenths.. I'm sure if the CTS V automatic can do that on a road course like the "ring" ..the upcoming Z28 automatic will be a beast at the track as well. 550 hp and a six speed dual clutch sequential would be better and even one of the torque convertor LESS six speed automatic transmission from GM's truck division would be as well.. But I imagine GM will just offer a standard 6 speed automatic like in the corvette
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11-27-2009, 02:59 PM | #55 | |
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and no matter what it would have to meet GM reliability testing. which costs money to do. if it meets it then GM would leave it be. if not then more money would be shelled out to make it meet it or they can go a different route. either way it's recerting a complete drivetrain. which costs more money. you're the one that brought up the expensive part. I was just trying to show that they have put TT's on a 3.6 lt v6. and kept the boost down to only produce 425 hp. over all long term reliability is sacrificed, yes. and with a proper tune on that engine it will be fine. again if it meets what the general says is acceptable why wouldn't they do it? for us mod crazed individuals? if that was the case we would have forged internals on all of our cars. and be paying over 40k for a base SS. |
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Such a sweet looking car!!!
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