My 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS Was Declared A LEMON

[KeepItGreasey]

Originally Posted by Gene Culley

I am in the business and you would be surprised with what people come up with to get rid of a car. I bought a buyback before (GMC Envoy) and the instrument cluster blacked out once in a while. GM came out with a bulletin and fixed the issue and I never had another problem with the vehicle. In other words, someone convinced someone to buy this vehicle back and there really was no reason to.

I've been involved with quite a few buyback vehicles and honestly 3/4 of them are just nitpicky customers. Not saying this is the case with the OP, but it does happen.

Many people do it because they can't afford the vehicle, they want another vehicle or they simply want the same vehicle in an SS, a different color, etc.

Did you look at that GMC Envoy's "rap sheet"? Maybe the previous owner had a long list or defects that were fixed before you bought it, and it spent a ton of time in the shop....... or maybe you just don't notice the clunky transmission, or you think "that's the way they all are." And the fact that you had a problem with a buy-back vehicle doesn't surprise me. They took my Camaro back, and not everything was fixed. Who knows what they're going to do with it before they re-sell it.

There is a presumption that when you buy a brand new vehicle, that you wont have to take it back to the dealer once or twice a month for repairs. And that is where my Camaro stood out from every other.

[upflying]

Originally Posted by Ivas

What?? Those mofo's dare sell it again to some unwitting buyer? They need to be run outa' town on a rail!

In Ca, the buyer would not be "unwitting". The title would state, "lemon law buyback".

[Gene Culley]

Originally Posted by KeepItGreasey

Did you look at that GMC Envoy's "rap sheet"? Maybe the previous owner had a long list or defects that were fixed before you bought it, and it spent a ton of time in the shop....... or maybe you just don't notice the clunky transmission, or you think "that's the way they all are." And the fact that you had a problem with a buy-back vehicle doesn't surprise me. They took my Camaro back, and not everything was fixed. Who knows what they're going to do with it before they re-sell it.

There is a presumption that when you buy a brand new vehicle, that you wont have to take it back to the dealer once or twice a month for repairs. And that is where my Camaro stood out from every other.

I've seen the GMC Envoy rap sheet and I owned 3 of them. I owned them from 2002 through 2008 when I bought my Hummer. I didn't have the laundry list of any of them that most people do. Of course, I get a new vehicle every 3 years for the family so perhaps I got rid of them before trouble started, but over the last 10 years I've bought 12 GM vehicles and I don't have my cars in for warranty work much at all.

On the buyback Envoy, I actually had the complete listing of reasons that it was bought back for and honestly the things that person complained about I never had a problem with and these problems were documented by the customer as still existing when they sold it back to GM!

And I know about the problems on most of the vehicles as I work at the dealership and I run GM Parts House from the dealership. The fact of the matter is, there are some lemons out there.

[red 2011 ss]

Originally Posted by KeepItGreasey

Something drastically different... like a Silverado extended cab LTZ 4x4

Don,t buy the silverado with the amf.(cant buy one without it)unless you buy an HD.
I and a lot of customers are haveing trouble with burning oil.
do a serch on silverado 5.3 oil use.

[MS3DALE]

Originally Posted by red 2011 ss

Don,t buy the silverado with the amf.(cant buy one without it)unless you buy an HD.
I and a lot of customers are haveing trouble with burning oil.
do a serch on silverado oil use.

Not true,the 4.8 and 6.2 do NOT have AFM.

[KeepItGreasey]

Originally Posted by MS3DALE

Not true,the 4.8 and 6.2 do NOT have AFM.

I thought the 6.2 did? Not really looking for an HD though... don't need it.

Any idea on the kinda City/Hwy mileage the 6.2 gets? Gas tank size? - Of course I'll look everything up on my own before I go out looking... but C5 always provides instant gratification

[KeepItGreasey]

Originally Posted by red 2011 ss

Don,t buy the silverado with the amf.(cant buy one without it)unless you buy an HD.
I and a lot of customers are haveing trouble with burning oil.
do a serch on silverado oil use.

I've also read about Camaros burning oil... mine never did though, and the oil always looked like hot honey

[MS3DALE]

Originally Posted by MS3DALE

Not true,the 4.8 and 6.2 do NOT have AFM.

Originally Posted by KeepItGreasey

I thought the 6.2 did? Not really looking for an HD though... don't need it.

Any idea on the kinda City/Hwy mileage the 6.2 gets? Gas tank size? - Of course I'll look everything up on my own before I go out looking... but C5 always provides instant gratification

No,some 6.2's do (in the SUV's) but not the ones in the 1/2-ton pickups.
EPA is 12 city/18 hwy for the 6.2
Fuel tank size would be 26 gallon
If you want to do some reading check out this site...http://GM-Trucks.com
I'm a mod. over there,lotsa' great info.!

[MS3DALE]

Heres some pics of my buddies new '11 crew-cab LTZ 6.2 we just delivered to him this week,It shows the EPA estimates on the window sticker....

[coolman]

Originally Posted by Gene Culley

I am in the business and you would be surprised with what people come up with to get rid of a car. I bought a buyback before (GMC Envoy) and the instrument cluster blacked out once in a while. GM came out with a bulletin and fixed the issue and I never had another problem with the vehicle. In other words, someone convinced someone to buy this vehicle back and there really was no reason to.

I've been involved with quite a few buyback vehicles and honestly 3/4 of them are just nitpicky customers. Not saying this is the case with the OP, but it does happen.

Many people do it because they can't afford the vehicle, they want another vehicle or they simply want the same vehicle in an SS, a different color, etc.

It really doesn't surprise me a bit that someone would try to do this ,but what does surprise me ,is that GM or any car company wouldn't make sure it really was an unrepairable car before buying it back.

[DarkneSS]

Originally Posted by KeepItGreasey

Did you look at that GMC Envoy's "rap sheet"? Maybe the previous owner had a long list or defects that were fixed before you bought it, and it spent a ton of time in the shop....... or maybe you just don't notice the clunky transmission, or you think "that's the way they all are." And the fact that you had a problem with a buy-back vehicle doesn't surprise me. They took my Camaro back, and not everything was fixed. Who knows what they're going to do with it before they re-sell it.

There is a presumption that when you buy a brand new vehicle, that you wont have to take it back to the dealer once or twice a month for repairs. And that is where my Camaro stood out from every other.

No point in bothering man some people just won't understand it until they have it happen to them. Even though my car is running perfect if I have any other issues before my warranty is up I'll definitely lemon the car. So mine could theoretically go back with a just a minor issue and a well rebuilt motor. Whoever said 3/4th I'm not buying that. I'm sure there are plenty of people in my situation so even if the car seems okay when someone rebuys it you don't know how many things may have had been fixed.

[Orange Krate]

Some people ABUSE, MISUSE or MISINTERPRET the LEMON LAW and why it should or should not be invoked. There is actually something called ethics that very few people (especially business) fail to follow. I have seen some true lemons and even THOSE were able to be fixed. But it takes time and most people these days do not have time nor patience. And many dealerships do not have the expertise on staff to properly diagnose the problem.

[DarkneSS]

Originally Posted by Orange Krate

Some people ABUSE, MISUSE or MISINTERPRET the LEMON LAW and why it should or should not be invoked. There is actually something called ethics that very few people (especially business) fail to follow. I have seen some true lemons and even THOSE were able to be fixed. But it takes time and most people these days do not have time nor patience. And many dealerships do not have the expertise on staff to properly diagnose the problem.

I'm okay with even half off all "lemoned" cars being the result of abused use of the law as long as the other half are honest people who had a serious unfair problem. Lemon cars are a low % anyway to begin with.

[SG37]

Originally Posted by Bonanza7

Yeah, considering the way GM treated you, get something else. Ford makes a great truck

+1.... the Raptor is an awesome truck. It is the ultimate off road truck. More powerful 6.2 v8 than gm.

The ecoboost v6 is unbelievable (3.5L-365HP-420TQ-90% from 1700-5000 rpm-16city-22hwy mpg)

5.0 v8 will run all over a 5.3 gm.

Frames are stronger than gm.

3.73 and a six speed transmission in a half ton.

Ford makes the best trucks right now. No doubt about it.