11-17-2010, 07:41 AM | #1 |
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Pondering the fuel delivery problem
Obviously more air requires more fuel, and stock fuel systems have a limit. So last night I thought I'd see if the gusy boosting their SS Camaros w were having the same problem. It turns out the L99 are. They can't seem to get the ECU to make much of awith the fuel control module. At most they can get about 1 volt increase and no change in the pulse width. If that holds true with our cars, I think we have to bet a voltage regulator or an secondary pump. What do you guys think? Should I go ahead an buy one? Which would you buy and why? I personally don't like the potentiometer route because that's more wiring, adjustments, etc.., but I don't know if there are good options for an aux. pump for this car. MSD does make a nice kit to boost the voltage but it won't work on returnless systems. I can't find out if our fuel system is returnless or not.
Just thought I'd get a discussion going since it looks like several of us are running into this problem.
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11-18-2010, 02:11 AM | #2 |
Had a turbocharged Scion tc before I bought my Camaro. I put three different turbo kits on it so I know a decent amount about turbocharging a car. Only thing I'm not extremely familiar with is the direct injection. My question is has anyone tried using a piggyback system such as the AEM FIC or a Greddy Emanage Ultimate or even a complete replacement for the ECM like an AEM EMS or a Haltech unit? I know companies are worried about tuning the factory ECM, but from my experience these units are a simple way around this. I know when tuning these units it's based off of rpms and boost pressure. You just plug in the amount of fuel you need into the different cells in the table. Would this not work on our cars? Also as far as the compression goes. The Scion tc is 10.4:1 with an aluminum block and is able to run 8-10psi safely... so I would have to imagine this engine would be around the same.
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11-18-2010, 12:05 PM | #4 |
Just a little off topic, but any idea where I can get a turbo manifold for the V6? That is really all that is holding me up from giving this a shot.
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11-18-2010, 01:34 PM | #5 |
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11-21-2010, 07:05 AM | #8 |
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Well On the Direct injection engines I am not sure how they are doing the fuel system. I was going to log into gm global connect and look but my buddy at GM ignores me most of the time so i cant go look for myself and get the info. Anyhow I am sure they are pumping it to another pump near the motor and then boosting that pressure. Similar to a diesel.
I honestly dont think it is as simple as ramping the voltage up to the pump or pumps. After googleing it here is what the pdf file from GM has to say.. High-pressure engine-driven fuel pump for multiple injection events To overcome the higher pressures inside the combustion chamber, as well as supply the multiple injection points of the direct injection nozzles, an engine-driven high-pressure pump supplies fuel to the injectors. This high-pressure pump feeds a high-strength fuel rail that feeds a continuously variable pressure fuel rail attached to the injectors. The high-pressure pump is supplied by a conventional fuel pump mounted in the fuel tank. The high-pressure pump can supply up to 1,740 psi (120 bar) of pressure, although it is dependent upon fuel demand by the engine. For example, at idle, the fuel system is regulated to about 508 psi (35 bar) and increases with demand. The high-pressure pump is mounted on the end of the cylinder head and is driven by the exhaust cam. |
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