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redsap05 · 01-28-2009, 05:43 PM

Letter from Summit Racing:
Dear Fellow Enthusiast,

Last month, we sent you an Urgent Legislative Alert from The Specialty Equipment Market Association (SEMA) regarding a proposed “Cash for Clunkers” bill that would threaten our hobby. Thanks to your overwhelming response, this legislation was dropped from the economic stimulus package. Congratulations for standing up for your rights as enthusiasts!

We have just received a follow-up Legislative Alert from SEMA. New legislation (S. 247 and H.R. 520) has been introduced in Congress to create a national vehicle scrappage program which will give U.S. tax dollars to consumers who turn-in their “gas guzzlers” to have them crushed. This program would target vehicles with low fuel economy ratings of any model year. That means sports cars, SUVs, and performance-built vehicles could be crushed in exchange for a monetary reward.

The following information is directly from SEMA. If you would like to contact the lawmaker, follow the instructions in the alert.

Thank you for your time,
Your Friends at Summit Racing Equipment

Our effort to prevent Congress from including a nationwide “Cash for Clunkers” program in the economic stimulus package has been successful – so far. Thousands of SEMA members and SEMA Action Network (SAN) enthusiasts contacted House Speaker Nancy Pelosi in opposition to the plan. The Speaker’s Office informed us that your emails, calls and faxes were received and, thanks to your work, Cash for Clunkers was not included in the economic stimulus package introduced in mid-January in the House of Representatives. Unfortunately, new legislation (S. 247 and H.R. 520) has been introduced in Congress to create a national vehicle scrappage program which will give U.S. tax dollars to consumers who turn-in their “gas guzzlers” to have them crushed. Lawmakers need to scrap this idea!

Contact Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) and Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA) Immediately
to Oppose S. 247 and H.R. 520

The so-called “Accelerated Retirement of Inefficient Vehicles Act” is Cash for Clunkers with a twist. Instead of focusing exclusively on older cars, this program would target vehicles with low fuel economy ratings of any model year. Participants would receive cash vouchers ranging from $2,500 to $4,500 based on the model year and whether the replacement vehicle was a more fuel-efficient new car or used car (MY 2004 or later). Fuel-efficient is defined as getting at least 25 percent better mileage for the corporate average fuel economy (CAFE) target for its class. The bill sponsors want to scrap up to one million cars a year for at least four years.

There is no evidence that the program would achieve the goal of boosting new car sales or increasing fuel mileage. Many states have considered scrappage programs in the past as a way to help clean the air or increase mpg, but abandoned the effort because they simply don’t work. The programs are not cost-effective and do not achieve verifiable air quality or fuel economy benefits, but they do have a devastating impact on the many small businesses that market products and services for the scrapped cars.

Don’t Delay! Please contact Senator Diane Feinstein and Rep. Henry Waxman today to urge their opposition to S. 247 and H.R. 520. For those who responded to our first call for action, we need you again, along with everyone else.

Contact Sen. Dianne Feinstein to oppose S. 247
Click here to send an email: http://feinstein.senate.gov/public/inde ... Us.EmailMe
Call: (202) 224-3841
Fax: (202) 228-3954

Contact Henry Waxman to oppose HR 520
Click here to send an email: http://energycommerce.house.gov/index.p ... 3&Itemid=1
Call: (202) 225-2927
Fax: (202) 225-2525

Talking Points
Oppose the Use of U.S. Taxpayer Dollars for Accelerated Vehicle Retirement

I am writing to urge lawmakers not to approve an “accelerated vehicle retirement” program. Even on a voluntary basis, the program will hurt thousands of independent repair shops, auto restorers, customizers and their customers across the country that depend on the used car market. These businesses are already very vulnerable in the weak economy.

An accelerated vehicle retirement program is flawed since it does not target the “gross polluter,” an improperly maintained vehicle of any make or model year that has poor fuel mileage and dramatically more emissions due to poor maintenance.

An accelerated vehicle retirement program is flawed because it does not factor-in how many miles-a-year the collected vehicles are currently being driven. U.S. taxpayers will be buying rarely-driven second and third vehicles that have minimal impact on overall fuel economy and air pollution.

Accelerated vehicle retirement won’t generate many new car sales. The cash incentive provided will not be enough to enable a person to buy a new or used vehicle.

Accelerated vehicle retirement will compete with nonprofits that rely on vehicle donations to raise funds, such as the Salvation Army, the Purple Heart and other charities.

Accelerated vehicle retirement threatens to disrupt a large and complex industry which already handles scrappage, repair, remanufacturing and recycling issues. This independent industry provides thousands of American jobs and generates millions of dollars in local, state and federal tax revenues.

Accelerated vehicle retirement ignores better policy options. Taxpayer dollars would be better spent as direct tax incentives to purchase a fuel-efficient new or used car, without a government vehicle crushing program. Congress should also provide tax incentives to upgrade, repair and maintain existing cars, trucks and SUVs. There are many commercially available products and technologies that can substantially improve fuel mileage and lower the emissions.

We hope we can count on you to reject “Accelerated Vehicle Retirement.” Thank you for your consideration on this very important matter.
If you choose to send a note and/or message to Sen. Feinstein and Rep. Waxman please forward a copy of your message to:
E-mail: briand@sema.org

This email was sent to you by:
Summit Racing Equipment
1200 Southeast Avenue
Tallmadge, OH 44278

If you think thats bad just look at the following. Ohio and other states want to penalize you for drving. http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009...miles_tax.html

Obama and 2011 fuel standards.http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28846202/

Man why does obama and his buddies have such a hard on for this crap. THE REAL PROBLEM IN AIR POLUTION IS NOT CARS ITS BIG BUSSINESS !! Sorry for the rant but they are trying to strip us of our rights. It will only hurt us more when demand for gas falls because big oil will jack the price up sky high to keep them at same profit levels. Wheres the justice in this? This isnt the 70's, technology is way more advanced these days, almost all cars made since the early 90's burn fuel alot cleaner than the cars of the past- most of which are off the road. This getting really crazy. I for one will be contacting those people and I encourage you all to do the same. Wheres all this focus on health care and job creating plans at? If they focused on that as much as they do this pointless bs we might be able to actually turn this country around. End rant.

nester7929 · 01-28-2009, 07:08 PM

Things are changing alright, but I doubt it's in the best way...

Rodrunner · 01-28-2009, 07:23 PM

This approach is ridiculous and futile, but as long as the “Accelerated Retirement of Inefficient Vehicles Act” or "Cash for Clunkers revised" is optional for those willing to be participants, I don't see how it threatens anyone. Who is going to turn in a classic, vintage, or any car of real value for $4,500?

UCF w00t · 01-28-2009, 07:47 PM

Will they place limits on how many you can turn in? This could be a good business. And does it have to run? Go buy a mostly-there clunker and make money off the thing. Sounds like a quick $4000 to me.

Mr_Draco · 01-28-2009, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UCF w00t

Will they place limits on how many you can turn in? This could be a good business. And does it have to run? Go buy a mostly-there clunker and make money off the thing. Sounds like a quick $4000 to me.

It's not really money. It's a voucher for so much off of a new car. I wouldn't be surprised if not only do they say that you can only use one voucher per purchase but also leave it up to the dealer if they want to participate.

Zabo · 01-28-2009, 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UCF w00t

Will they place limits on how many you can turn in? This could be a good business. And does it have to run? Go buy a mostly-there clunker and make money off the thing. Sounds like a quick $4000 to me.

And then what? People will just get greedy and buy every old car off a lot, regardless of what it is. Honda civics to Boyardee Voodoons..

Soon my Exploder will be jacked from the apartment parking lot and 'sold for scrap' because of the 'cash for clunkers' thing.. That might become more common. Park a Chevelle or classic Charger in your drive and find it scrapped the next day for 4000 bucks..

Christ I almost smashed my coffee table in half reading this.. I am so full of rage right now. ********.. Can I please exercise my right to bear arms Tag? Pleeeeeease?

UCF w00t · 01-28-2009, 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Draco

It's not really money. It's a voucher for so much off of a new car. I wouldn't be surprised if not only do they say that you can only use one voucher per purchase but also leave it up to the dealer if they want to participate.

Then go buy another used car with it or buy a cheap new car and turn around and sell it. Yea, you might not make as much but it's still money with relative ease. This just seems to be begging for abuse; especially in the car sales industry with some of the most notoriously sleezy people around.)

Zabo · 01-28-2009, 09:21 PM

.. I just caught the news on one of the cable news networks. The Stim package passed thanks to the dem majority.

So now what?

Mr_Draco · 01-28-2009, 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UCF w00t

Then go buy another used car with it or buy a cheap new car and turn around and sell it. Yea, you might not make as much but it's still money with relative ease. This just seems to be begging for abuse; especially in the car sales industry with some of the most notoriously sleezy people around.)

Can't buy a used car with it, it's for NEW CARS. You will only lose money buying a new car and selling after tax, tag, title and insurance.

stovt001 · 01-29-2009, 01:58 AM

I'm seriously worried about my Cutlass being stolen now.

headpunter · 01-29-2009, 02:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stovt001

I'm seriously worried about my Cutlass being stolen now.

exactly

zebra · 01-29-2009, 02:28 AM

how whiny can lawmakers get?

they're gonna completely trash anything American automotive history is known for (granted, not all of that is worth remembering) but the raw power & excitement of driving a ballsy V8 is gonna be a thing of memory if we keep letting these tree-huggers have their way!

Zabo · 01-29-2009, 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zebra

how whiny can lawmakers get?

they're gonna completely trash anything American automotive history is known for (granted, not all of that is worth remembering) but the raw power & excitement of driving a ballsy V8 is gonna be a thing of memory if we keep letting these tree-huggers have their way!

Amen. And here **** Obama said he wouldn't cater to special interest. Uh right..

"Christ I almost smashed my coffee table in half reading this...Can I please exercise my right to bear arms Tag? Pleeeeeease?"

I can't repeat that statement enough..

2010 SS · 01-29-2009, 12:24 PM

God damn I hate California!

01-28-2009, 05:43 PM	#1
redsap05 Drives: 2005 pontiac gto Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: akron oh Posts: 174	gov wants to crush your v8 Letter from Summit Racing: Dear Fellow Enthusiast, Last month, we sent you an Urgent Legislative Alert from The Specialty Equipment Market Association (SEMA) regarding a proposed “Cash for Clunkers” bill that would threaten our hobby. Thanks to your overwhelming response, this legislation was dropped from the economic stimulus package. Congratulations for standing up for your rights as enthusiasts! We have just received a follow-up Legislative Alert from SEMA. New legislation (S. 247 and H.R. 520) has been introduced in Congress to create a national vehicle scrappage program which will give U.S. tax dollars to consumers who turn-in their “gas guzzlers” to have them crushed. This program would target vehicles with low fuel economy ratings of any model year. That means sports cars, SUVs, and performance-built vehicles could be crushed in exchange for a monetary reward. The following information is directly from SEMA. If you would like to contact the lawmaker, follow the instructions in the alert. Thank you for your time, Your Friends at Summit Racing Equipment Our effort to prevent Congress from including a nationwide “Cash for Clunkers” program in the economic stimulus package has been successful – so far. Thousands of SEMA members and SEMA Action Network (SAN) enthusiasts contacted House Speaker Nancy Pelosi in opposition to the plan. The Speaker’s Office informed us that your emails, calls and faxes were received and, thanks to your work, Cash for Clunkers was not included in the economic stimulus package introduced in mid-January in the House of Representatives. Unfortunately, new legislation (S. 247 and H.R. 520) has been introduced in Congress to create a national vehicle scrappage program which will give U.S. tax dollars to consumers who turn-in their “gas guzzlers” to have them crushed. Lawmakers need to scrap this idea! Contact Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) and Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA) Immediately to Oppose S. 247 and H.R. 520 The so-called “Accelerated Retirement of Inefficient Vehicles Act” is Cash for Clunkers with a twist. Instead of focusing exclusively on older cars, this program would target vehicles with low fuel economy ratings of any model year. Participants would receive cash vouchers ranging from $2,500 to $4,500 based on the model year and whether the replacement vehicle was a more fuel-efficient new car or used car (MY 2004 or later). Fuel-efficient is defined as getting at least 25 percent better mileage for the corporate average fuel economy (CAFE) target for its class. The bill sponsors want to scrap up to one million cars a year for at least four years. There is no evidence that the program would achieve the goal of boosting new car sales or increasing fuel mileage. Many states have considered scrappage programs in the past as a way to help clean the air or increase mpg, but abandoned the effort because they simply don’t work. The programs are not cost-effective and do not achieve verifiable air quality or fuel economy benefits, but they do have a devastating impact on the many small businesses that market products and services for the scrapped cars. Don’t Delay! Please contact Senator Diane Feinstein and Rep. Henry Waxman today to urge their opposition to S. 247 and H.R. 520. For those who responded to our first call for action, we need you again, along with everyone else. Contact Sen. Dianne Feinstein to oppose S. 247 Click here to send an email: http://feinstein.senate.gov/public/inde ... Us.EmailMe Call: (202) 224-3841 Fax: (202) 228-3954 Contact Henry Waxman to oppose HR 520 Click here to send an email: http://energycommerce.house.gov/index.p ... 3&Itemid=1 Call: (202) 225-2927 Fax: (202) 225-2525 Talking Points Oppose the Use of U.S. Taxpayer Dollars for Accelerated Vehicle Retirement I am writing to urge lawmakers not to approve an “accelerated vehicle retirement” program. Even on a voluntary basis, the program will hurt thousands of independent repair shops, auto restorers, customizers and their customers across the country that depend on the used car market. These businesses are already very vulnerable in the weak economy. An accelerated vehicle retirement program is flawed since it does not target the “gross polluter,” an improperly maintained vehicle of any make or model year that has poor fuel mileage and dramatically more emissions due to poor maintenance. An accelerated vehicle retirement program is flawed because it does not factor-in how many miles-a-year the collected vehicles are currently being driven. U.S. taxpayers will be buying rarely-driven second and third vehicles that have minimal impact on overall fuel economy and air pollution. Accelerated vehicle retirement won’t generate many new car sales. The cash incentive provided will not be enough to enable a person to buy a new or used vehicle. Accelerated vehicle retirement will compete with nonprofits that rely on vehicle donations to raise funds, such as the Salvation Army, the Purple Heart and other charities. Accelerated vehicle retirement threatens to disrupt a large and complex industry which already handles scrappage, repair, remanufacturing and recycling issues. This independent industry provides thousands of American jobs and generates millions of dollars in local, state and federal tax revenues. Accelerated vehicle retirement ignores better policy options. Taxpayer dollars would be better spent as direct tax incentives to purchase a fuel-efficient new or used car, without a government vehicle crushing program. Congress should also provide tax incentives to upgrade, repair and maintain existing cars, trucks and SUVs. There are many commercially available products and technologies that can substantially improve fuel mileage and lower the emissions. We hope we can count on you to reject “Accelerated Vehicle Retirement.” Thank you for your consideration on this very important matter. If you choose to send a note and/or message to Sen. Feinstein and Rep. Waxman please forward a copy of your message to: E-mail: briand@sema.org This email was sent to you by: Summit Racing Equipment 1200 Southeast Avenue Tallmadge, OH 44278 If you think thats bad just look at the following. Ohio and other states want to penalize you for drving. http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009...miles_tax.html Obama and 2011 fuel standards.http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28846202/ Man why does obama and his buddies have such a hard on for this crap. THE REAL PROBLEM IN AIR POLUTION IS NOT CARS ITS BIG BUSSINESS !! Sorry for the rant but they are trying to strip us of our rights. It will only hurt us more when demand for gas falls because big oil will jack the price up sky high to keep them at same profit levels. Wheres the justice in this? This isnt the 70's, technology is way more advanced these days, almost all cars made since the early 90's burn fuel alot cleaner than the cars of the past- most of which are off the road. This getting really crazy. I for one will be contacting those people and I encourage you all to do the same. Wheres all this focus on health care and job creating plans at? If they focused on that as much as they do this pointless bs we might be able to actually turn this country around. End rant.

01-28-2009, 07:23 PM	#3
Rodrunner Senior Member Drives: 2010 SS/RS, '06 350Z Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: So. Maryland Posts: 2,326	This approach is ridiculous and futile, but as long as the “Accelerated Retirement of Inefficient Vehicles Act” or "Cash for Clunkers revised" is optional for those willing to be participants, I don't see how it threatens anyone. Who is going to turn in a classic, vintage, or any car of real value for $4,500? __________________ 2SS/RS - Black/Black - CGM Rally Stripes - Auto - VIN 10171

01-29-2009, 01:58 AM	#10
stovt001 Drives: 2006 Cobalt, 2004 Taurus wagon Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: California Posts: 3,810	I'm seriously worried about my Cutlass being stolen now. __________________ "It's kind of fun to do the impossible" - Walt Disney There's a great big beautiful tomorrow shining at the end of every day There's a great big beautiful tomorrow Just a dream away

01-29-2009, 02:28 AM	#12
zebra just can't seem to leave Drives: your mom wild!! Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: cold & windy Posts: 10,625 View My Garage	how whiny can lawmakers get? they're gonna completely trash anything American automotive history is known for (granted, not all of that is worth remembering) but the raw power & excitement of driving a ballsy V8 is gonna be a thing of memory if we keep letting these tree-huggers have their way! __________________ Eve ('00 FRC): hot-air intake Rowan ('09 H3): 5spd mom-mobile Penny ('99 Sierra): 5.3 / HD 5spd... gone but not forgotten Samson ('18 HD): compounded 408

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