2012 Camaro ZL1 vs 2011 Corvette Z06

[The RC3]

As far as what we know so far about the ZL1, who do you think would win if both were pulled off a dealers lot bone stock and brand new? Does a supercharger overcome a larger displacement engine?

For the sake of the arguement and to prevent hypotheticals, use current SS specs for the ZL1 specs that are uncertain (i.e. weight, etc).

[SWAT 79]

No way, z06 would handily beat it. I don't think gm would put out a 50k camaro that would beat out it's 70k vette

[MatchbookSS]

Lol. Unless someone is going to take the ZL1 with it's current specs into low 11's, then it's not going to keep up, much less beat a C6 Z06, stock for stock.

[08-G35s/6MT]

What about a Z/51 Corvette Grand Sport LS3 436-horsepower versus the ZL1 ?

[MatchbookSS]

Originally Posted by 08-G35s/6MT

What about a Z/51 Corvette Grand Sport LS3 436-horsepower versus the ZL1 ?

Way better matchup right there.

I mean, I don't really follow the ZL1 hype, so I don't know exactly what people are thinking/hoping it's going to run as far as numbers...but I would think that an LS3 vette will be a much better match up, just thinking off the bat.

[Camaro_Corvette]

Originally Posted by The RC3

As far as what we know so far about the ZL1, who do you think would win if both were pulled off a dealers lot bone stock and brand new? Does a supercharger overcome a larger displacement engine?

For the sake of the arguement and to prevent hypotheticals, use current SS specs for the ZL1 specs that are uncertain (i.e. weight, etc).

Don't forget about the vettes pretty serious weight advantage. Chances of the ZL1 shaving some serious poundage....Probably zero. I just don't see it punching out a Z06 at the dragstrip.

Originally Posted by SWAT 79

No way, z06 would handily beat it. I don't think gm would put out a 50k camaro that would beat out it's 70k vette

I still don't see it. The camaro and the corvette are totally different cars. I don't see any reason why GM should be scared to make this camaro perform. The corvette is not the competition here.

[Ron66Vette&10SS]

A Z06 will easily take a ZL1, and a ZL1 should be able to take a "normal" LS3 Corvette with no problem in the 1/4 mile.

Originally Posted by 08-G35s/6MT

What about a Z/51 Corvette Grand Sport LS3 436-horsepower versus the ZL1 ?

A Grand Sport Corvette (more rubber in back and better trans gearing than a "normal" Vette) might not go down as easily to the ZL1......personally, I hope it does though.

Yes, the GS is lighter, but even at only the "at least 550hp" GM spec for the ZL1, the ZL1 still has a better power to weight ratio. A ZL1 @ hypothetical 3,950lbs / "only" 550hp = 7.18lbs per hp The GS weighs 3,311 lbs / 436hp = 7.59lbs per hp

True, the Grand Sport has a bit wider tires in back and SLIGHTLY better final drive ratio to the wheels in 1st-3rd gears (even though the ZL1 has 3.73's in back).......that's why it's not a slam dunk that the ZL1 will better the GS in the 1/4. Now, the more hp over 550 that GM "allows" the ZL1 to make, the wider that gap will be at the finish line..............in my opinion of course.

[SWAT 79]

Originally Posted by Camaro_Corvette

I still don't see it. The camaro and the corvette are totally different cars. I don't see any reason why GM should be scared to make this camaro perform. The corvette is not the competition here.

It becomes the competition, once it out performs one of their flagship cars. Why would anyone buy a 70k dollar 2 seater when they can buy a 50k dollar 4 seater, with the same 1/4 mile times?

They also won't be able to make the camaro perform that way, for the price. Expect the zl1 to be right a round a 12 second flat 1/4 mile at 118-120ish. Strong competition with the gt500, boss 302, cts-v, and the srt 392.

[91Z28350]

GS maybe, 3.95 0-60, low 12 high-11 1/4. Z06, driven by a good shoe? Not even close stock for stock. I don't know about competition, but there is some cross shopping, me for instance.
Though I am more of a American performance car fan than any one specific brand or model (though I do give a more than slight nod to having a weakness for Camaro's.)

[GMRULZ]

Originally Posted by Ron66Vette&10SS

A Z06 will easily take a ZL1, and a ZL1 should be able to take a "normal" LS3 Corvette with no problem in the 1/4 mile.



A Grand Sport Corvette (more rubber in back and better trans gearing than a "normal" Vette) might not go down as easily to the ZL1......personally, I hope it does though.

Yes, the GS is lighter, but even at only the "at least 550hp" GM spec for the ZL1, the ZL1 still has a better power to weight ratio. A ZL1 @ hypothetical 3,950lbs / "only" 550hp = 7.18lbs per hp The GS weighs 3,311 lbs / 436hp = 7.59lbs per hp

True, the Grand Sport has a bit wider tires in back and SLIGHTLY better final drive ratio to the wheels in 1st-3rd gears (even though the ZL1 has 3.73's in back).......that's why it's not a slam dunk that the ZL1 will better the GS in the 1/4. Now, the more hp over 550 that GM "allows" the ZL1 to make, the wider that gap will be at the finish line..............in my opinion of course.

Not quite so fast, my bonestock down to the air pressure in the tires z51 auto LS3 Vette went 11.80@118.82. It will be difficult for the ZL1 to best that w/ out drag radials.

[Camaro_Corvette]

Originally Posted by SWAT 79

It becomes the competition, once it out performs one of their flagship cars. Why would anyone buy a 70k dollar 2 seater when they can buy a 50k dollar 4 seater, with the same 1/4 mile times?

They also won't be able to make the camaro perform that way, for the price. Expect the zl1 to be right a round a 12 second flat 1/4 mile at 118-120ish. Strong competition with the gt500, boss 302, cts-v, and the srt 392.

You automatically assume that everybody loves the camaro. Menothinkso. Plus I think the corvette holds some sort of image along with it.

[SWAT 79]

No, I don't "automatically" assume everyone likes the car. It suffers from a few plagues (interior, weight, rear end) just like other competing cars. However, the performance, will not be on par with the z06, I promise you. It won't, there's no way. Z06 is running 10's with tires, do you think the zl1 will run 10s with just tires?

It's gonna be a few ticks behind the GS I would say, it should be solid competition for the cars I mentioned before.

[Ron66Vette&10SS]

Originally Posted by GMRULZ

Not quite so fast, my bonestock down to the air pressure in the tires z51 auto LS3 Vette went 11.80@118.82. It will be difficult for the ZL1 to best that w/ out drag radials.

EXTREMELY impressive , but I don't think your car is representative of what the average "base" or even Z51 LS3 Corvette at a sea level track will do.

I most definitely DON'T think an average ZL1 (or Grand Sport for that matter) would be able to match your exceptional Z51's 11.8 time. But I DO expect/hope that the same ZL1 would easily beat an "average" non Z51 / Grand Sport Corvette and at least equal or even better the time of an "average" LS3 Z51 or Grand Sport Corvette.

My expectation of quickness in the 1/4 mile is that if you take out the variables (same track, same day, same temperature, same air density, same humidity, same driver), using representative, non "factory freak" cars, the C6 Z06 > ZL1 = or > Grand Sport > Z51 LS3 > "base" LS3 Corvette

[GMRULZ]

Originally Posted by Ron66Vette&10SS

EXTREMELY impressive , but I don't think your car is representative of what the average "base" or even Z51 LS3 Corvette at a sea level track will do.

I most definitely DON'T think an average ZL1 (or Grand Sport for that matter) would be able to match your exceptional Z51's 11.8 time. But I DO expect/hope that the same ZL1 would easily beat an "average" non Z51 / Grand Sport Corvette and at least equal or even better the time of an "average" LS3 Z51 or Grand Sport Corvette.

My expectation of quickness in the 1/4 mile is that if you take out the variables (same track, same day, same temperature, same air density, same humidity, same driver), using representative, non "factory freak" cars, the C6 Z06 > ZL1 = or > Grand Sport > Z51 LS3 > "base" LS3 Corvette

Very good argument, and I do agree with you. It will come down to how the Vette is set up. I bought mine w/ just the z51 package which gave me the sticky supercar tires, the lower gears like in the current heavier GS, lightweight 1lt interior which did not come w/ side air bags, and the NPP butterfly exhaust option, not to mention I had 1/4 tank of gas and I weigh 160lbs. No other bell`s and whistles to get the lightest fastest car possible. So if someone has optioned 1 out like mine (bear in mind it has almost every option my 2SS has) it should beat the ZL1 in my opinion, but most people don`t option them like I do, most people buy them as a status symbol and load them down w/ everything but the kitchen sink. So you are probably right that the average C6 base will get slightly beat by the ZL1, as GM claims 12.4 for C6 and 12.1 I think is claimed for the CTS-V.