Any video, LS9 cam in a LS3? - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

Bad70supreme · 11-23-2011, 03:52 PM

Looking for sound clips of an ls3 with a ls9 ( zr1 ) cam installed! I cant seem to find any.

Dukes117 · 11-23-2011, 03:55 PM

Well an LS9 cam is a blower cam, so if you search YouTube, just be sure to include "supercharged" in the search words.

Bad70supreme · 11-23-2011, 10:32 PM

Really cant find much... I did find a thread were a guy said he picked up 51hp at the wheels with this cam and ls7 manifolds on his ls3, without a tune! Also found a couple other vettes that were making 440-445 at the wheels with this cam and headers! Think I am going to try this out... also talked with a forum member today, told me he made 440 at the wheels also! Looks like a good mod for very little money

dshep214 · 11-24-2011, 12:37 AM

How much is not very much money? Just curious

Bad70supreme · 11-24-2011, 02:04 AM

Cam is only 110$ new, then all you need is a water pump gasket and a 3 bolt timing gear! So under $200 if you can do your own labor ( I do my own work ) This cam works with stock tune also, but adding the tune will get the most. So for a total of around $600 your looking at a hole new animal! I only paid $300 for my headers, made my own cat back and cold air for about $200, then plus this $600 is $1,100 for about 440hp at the wheels... puts me approx 70hp over stock at the wheels! I would say that pretty damn good since most spend more then that for LTs! The guy I talked to said at his road coarse... tuned, header cars are hitting 128mph on the straight, hes hitting 143!

mikeSS · 11-24-2011, 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Bad70supreme

Cam is only 110$ new, then all you need is a water pump gasket and a 3 bolt timing gear! So under $200 if you can do your own labor ( I do my own work ) This cam works with stock tune also, but adding the tune will get the most. So for a total of around $600 your looking at a hole new animal! I only paid $300 for my headers, made my own cat back and cold air for about $200, then plus this $600 is $1,100 for about 440hp at the wheels... puts me approx 70hp over stock at the wheels! I would say that pretty damn good since most spend more then that for LTs! The guy I talked to said at his road coarse... tuned, header cars are hitting 128mph on the straight, hes hitting 143!

hate to break it to you, but you are very lost my friend. you cannot get 440HP @ the wheels with a cam, headers, and intake WITHOUT A TUNE

honestly you will probs blow your motor or it will run VERY bad

Dukes117 · 11-24-2011, 03:31 AM

Yes^. A cam changes everything. ALL the parameters need to be changed. You probably won't blow your motor on first start up, but shit will definitely start breaking without a tune.

Dukes117 · 11-24-2011, 03:32 AM

ONLY $300 for headers!?! I think you might want to look to a higher quality setup.

Smirnoff · 11-24-2011, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by mikeSS

hate to break it to you, but you are very lost my friend. you cannot get 440HP @ the wheels with a cam, headers, and intake WITHOUT A TUNE

honestly you will probs blow your motor or it will run VERY bad

Also built his own chassis dyno.....

McBeevee · 11-24-2011, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Bad70supreme

Cam is only 110$ new, then all you need is a water pump gasket and a 3 bolt timing gear! So under $200 if you can do your own labor ( I do my own work ) This cam works with stock tune also, but adding the tune will get the most. So for a total of around $600 your looking at a hole new animal! I only paid $300 for my headers, made my own cat back and cold air for about $200, then plus this $600 is $1,100 for about 440hp at the wheels... puts me approx 70hp over stock at the wheels! I would say that pretty damn good since most spend more then that for LTs! The guy I talked to said at his road coarse... tuned, header cars are hitting 128mph on the straight, hes hitting 143!

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Originally Posted by mikeSS

hate to break it to you, but you are very lost my friend. you cannot get 440HP @ the wheels with a cam, headers, and intake WITHOUT A TUNE

honestly you will probs blow your motor or it will run VERY bad

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Originally Posted by Dukes117

Yes^. A cam changes everything. ALL the parameters need to be changed. You probably won't blow your motor on first start up, but shit will definitely start breaking without a tune.

Read it again folks....pretty sure the highlighted portion of his post is stating he will get a tune. Roughly $200 for parts & $400 for the tune = $600.

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Originally Posted by Dukes117

ONLY $300 for headers!?! I think you might want to look to a higher quality setup.

How about you enlighten us with why he needs a higher quality setup? There are numerous members on this site running the same XS headers and the equally inexpensive OBX setup....nothing wrong with either.

flht99b · 11-24-2011, 09:41 AM

I absolutely love the Camaro5 forum but like all great things it has a few less than desirable traits like any other open online forum. At times the disinformation highway can be a venue for those with nothing more than keyboard mechanical skills and "web experience" clouding real time technical discussions. Most folks that post here on Camaro5 do so to help others by sharing real life experiences.
The LS9 cam in a LS3 is an inexpensive ( about $120 ), OEM street mannered cam which gives a modest power boost at low cost in a NA LS3, especially if you install it yourself, which leaves many folks out. You'll probably see 15 to 20hp over a stock cam LS3 with supporting mods like LT's and CAI. If you have plans to supercharge in the future, you can't go wrong with the LS9 cam either, although again there are other choices out there with their advantages and disadvantages. If you have to pay someone to install a LS9 cam for you it probably isn't cost effective as there are other cams out there that will out perform the LS9 cam in peak HP if that is how you judge a cam but I doubt will not match the LS9 driveability or everyday street manners. If you want a lumpy idle to impress your buddies, the LS9 cam isn't for you. It's all about being honest with yourself on how you use the car and your expectations from it and what "issues" you are willing to put up with. A good tune will maximize the gains from the LS9 cam just like a a good tune will maximize any engine modification. What I like about the LS9 cam is it's near stock smooth idle, torque from idle to 6.5K and everyday street manners ( smooth driveability, low, mid and high rpm response and power gains across the board ). Fuel mileage remains high, in fact my car gets better fuel economy around town and on the highway than it did stock ( 17.4 and 24.6 ), and I have 3.70 gears versus the 3.45 stock ratio. Of course I have to temper my right foot a bit, it is all about having fun right ??. After installing the LS9 cam I drove my car approximately 350 miles with no issues before I had it tuned, the tune perfected the fuel and timing maps and increased power across the board as expected. An LS9 cam can be installed with stock valve springs ( LS3 and LS9 share the same springs though the LS9 intake valve is lighter ), you can use the stock timing chain and tensioner. Although I went a more robust route in my install ( see my signature ), all you really need is the LS9 cam, the 3 bolt cam gear and bolts, water pump and timing cover gaskets ( many re-use them, once you see them you will know why ), some oil, antifreeze, oil filter, new crank bolt and about 8 to 10 hours of your own labor. Plus of course a good tune by a reputable shop to maximize the gains.
Happy Thanksgiving to all
Ed M.

Bell040 · 11-24-2011, 10:41 AM

no need to find a video... it does not lope, sounds like stock.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=145189

honeybucket99 · 11-24-2011, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Bell040

no need to find a video... it does not lope, sounds like stock.

I used the LS9 cam until I had the engine stroked. I enjoyed the extra breathing it allowed with forced induction. It did not lope. While I am not an expert, I wouldn't think a blower cam would be the best/good option on a NA motor; wouldn't valve events be totally different? That being said, John @ APF has my slightly used LS9 cam, and I would be happy to sell it to you for 1/2 the new price, if you want.

14pilot · 11-24-2011, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Bad70supreme

Cam is only 110$ new, then all you need is a water pump gasket and a 3 bolt timing gear! So under $200 if you can do your own labor ( I do my own work ) This cam works with stock tune also, but adding the tune will get the most. So for a total of around $600 your looking at a hole new animal! I only paid $300 for my headers, made my own cat back and cold air for about $200, then plus this $600 is $1,100 for about 440hp at the wheels... puts me approx 70hp over stock at the wheels! I would say that pretty damn good since most spend more then that for LTs! The guy I talked to said at his road coarse... tuned, header cars are hitting 128mph on the straight, hes hitting 143!

Show us pics of your homemade mods!!!

I like the direction you are looking at here, but I wouldn't go to all the trouble to install a cam that only gives about 20 more HP and that has no overlap (no rumpity, rump

)

11-23-2011, 03:52 PM	#1
Bad70supreme Drives: 2010 aqua blue SS/RS M6 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: plainfield, IL Posts: 2,706	Any video, LS9 cam in a LS3? Looking for sound clips of an ls3 with a ls9 ( zr1 ) cam installed! I cant seem to find any. __________________ 10.91 at 122 H/C stock block N/A

11-23-2011, 10:32 PM	#3
Bad70supreme Drives: 2010 aqua blue SS/RS M6 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: plainfield, IL Posts: 2,706	Really cant find much... I did find a thread were a guy said he picked up 51hp at the wheels with this cam and ls7 manifolds on his ls3, without a tune! Also found a couple other vettes that were making 440-445 at the wheels with this cam and headers! Think I am going to try this out... also talked with a forum member today, told me he made 440 at the wheels also! Looks like a good mod for very little money __________________ 10.91 at 122 H/C stock block N/A

11-24-2011, 02:04 AM	#5
Bad70supreme Drives: 2010 aqua blue SS/RS M6 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: plainfield, IL Posts: 2,706	Cam is only 110$ new, then all you need is a water pump gasket and a 3 bolt timing gear! So under $200 if you can do your own labor ( I do my own work ) This cam works with stock tune also, but adding the tune will get the most. So for a total of around $600 your looking at a hole new animal! I only paid $300 for my headers, made my own cat back and cold air for about $200, then plus this $600 is $1,100 for about 440hp at the wheels... puts me approx 70hp over stock at the wheels! I would say that pretty damn good since most spend more then that for LTs! The guy I talked to said at his road coarse... tuned, header cars are hitting 128mph on the straight, hes hitting 143! __________________ 10.91 at 122 H/C stock block N/A

11-24-2011, 09:41 AM	#11
flht99b Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS RJT Join Date: May 2009 Location: Knoxville Posts: 1,586 View My Garage	I absolutely love the Camaro5 forum but like all great things it has a few less than desirable traits like any other open online forum. At times the disinformation highway can be a venue for those with nothing more than keyboard mechanical skills and "web experience" clouding real time technical discussions. Most folks that post here on Camaro5 do so to help others by sharing real life experiences. The LS9 cam in a LS3 is an inexpensive ( about $120 ), OEM street mannered cam which gives a modest power boost at low cost in a NA LS3, especially if you install it yourself, which leaves many folks out. You'll probably see 15 to 20hp over a stock cam LS3 with supporting mods like LT's and CAI. If you have plans to supercharge in the future, you can't go wrong with the LS9 cam either, although again there are other choices out there with their advantages and disadvantages. If you have to pay someone to install a LS9 cam for you it probably isn't cost effective as there are other cams out there that will out perform the LS9 cam in peak HP if that is how you judge a cam but I doubt will not match the LS9 driveability or everyday street manners. If you want a lumpy idle to impress your buddies, the LS9 cam isn't for you. It's all about being honest with yourself on how you use the car and your expectations from it and what "issues" you are willing to put up with. A good tune will maximize the gains from the LS9 cam just like a a good tune will maximize any engine modification. What I like about the LS9 cam is it's near stock smooth idle, torque from idle to 6.5K and everyday street manners ( smooth driveability, low, mid and high rpm response and power gains across the board ). Fuel mileage remains high, in fact my car gets better fuel economy around town and on the highway than it did stock ( 17.4 and 24.6 ), and I have 3.70 gears versus the 3.45 stock ratio. Of course I have to temper my right foot a bit, it is all about having fun right ??. After installing the LS9 cam I drove my car approximately 350 miles with no issues before I had it tuned, the tune perfected the fuel and timing maps and increased power across the board as expected. An LS9 cam can be installed with stock valve springs ( LS3 and LS9 share the same springs though the LS9 intake valve is lighter ), you can use the stock timing chain and tensioner. Although I went a more robust route in my install ( see my signature ), all you really need is the LS9 cam, the 3 bolt cam gear and bolts, water pump and timing cover gaskets ( many re-use them, once you see them you will know why ), some oil, antifreeze, oil filter, new crank bolt and about 8 to 10 hours of your own labor. Plus of course a good tune by a reputable shop to maximize the gains. Happy Thanksgiving to all Ed M. __________________ RJT 2SS/RS, AAM 3.70's, MTI Sway Bars, Shifter, SS brake lines ZLI calipers, rotors/pads BMR Trailing & Toe Arms, rear cradle/diff bushes, Pedders XA's, Camber/Toe eccentrics, Radius arm inserts, GTO clutch reservoir, LS9 cam, Comp valve springs, Melling 10296 oil pump, CR5 timing chain, LS6 damper, CAI Cold Air Intake, ARH LT headers, HF cats, GMPP axle back, Elite Eng Catch Can, Black ZL1 20x10 & 2011 whls 285/35/20 & 305/35/20 General G-Max RS, 2011 Convertible spoiler, 1LE front spoiler, Lloyd "SS" Floor Mats, GM Camaro Trunk Mat, wrapped console, hand brake lever, Grant steering whl.

11-24-2011, 10:41 AM	#12
Bell040 Drives: 2SS/RS - Black - GFX Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: B'ham, Alabama Posts: 2,458 View My Garage	no need to find a video... it does not lope, sounds like stock. http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=145189 __________________ Ordered: 10-13-08 Built: 3-30-09 (#1691) Recieved: 6-12-09 Blacked out, Cammed (Lunati Voodoo 233/245, .578/.598 @114°, +4°), ARH LTs, VR OTR CAI, Cutouts, and lots of other fun mods.

11-23-2011, 03:55 PM	#2
Dukes117 H0TWH331S Drives: '11 SW SS(SOLD) '12 IOM SS (order) Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Astoria, NY Posts: 225	Well an LS9 cam is a blower cam, so if you search YouTube, just be sure to include "supercharged" in the search words.

11-24-2011, 12:37 AM	#4
dshep214 Drives: 2011 Camaro 2ssRS Ls3 Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Cabot, AR Posts: 1,250	How much is not very much money? Just curious

11-24-2011, 03:31 AM	#7
Dukes117 H0TWH331S Drives: '11 SW SS(SOLD) '12 IOM SS (order) Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Astoria, NY Posts: 225	Yes^. A cam changes everything. ALL the parameters need to be changed. You probably won't blow your motor on first start up, but shit will definitely start breaking without a tune.

11-24-2011, 03:32 AM	#8
Dukes117 H0TWH331S Drives: '11 SW SS(SOLD) '12 IOM SS (order) Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Astoria, NY Posts: 225	ONLY $300 for headers!?! I think you might want to look to a higher quality setup.