Feeler: Bolt in Wavetrac Differentials for G8s and Camaros

[adamsar]

Hey Everyone, I'm trying to gauge interest in a direct fit 32 spindle Wavetrac Differential for our G8s and Camaros. I am in no way selling the item and if I do decided to based on interest become a vendor I will most definitely go through the proper steps. I'm a member over on the g8 forums and I figured the more interest the better.

I am in the process of getting this done since other communities have gone this route. I figure that this is more cost effective than doing a 9" conversion and along with any of our vendors with great axles it would be a great improvement. The typical order for small batch runs are normally 30-50 units so with that being said let me know if you have any questions.

Wavetrac differentials include a transferable, Limited Lifetime Warranty, the price would range about $1000 and the wavetrac should be able to hold a lot of hp. The main reason for this was to eliminate the wearable parts with clutches and spider gears and create a strong option for those who don't need a 9".

[Driveshaftshop]

I thought the ring and pinion gears were the issues with the stock rear ?

[Squintz Palladoris]

Adamsar,

The Wavetrac is a very nice diff, I have one in my 9". I would however have a hard time agreeing that it would be more cost effective to build the stock rear end. If you look at it from price alone, building up the stock setup with billet caps and a set of gears, plus nice axles and driveshaft it ends up being around a grand less than a 9" kit (Depending on what components of course). Add in the cost of a Wavetrac ($900 to $1100) and it becomes the same if not more expensive.

If the gear sets availible for the stock rear were A. More reliable, and B. Less expensive then it may be worth it to someone who does not already have a 9" or other aftermarket 3rd member.

[DandD]

I would think that without giving the pricing on this you aren't going to get too many people to say yes I want one. And you are not alone, there seems to be some reason that nobody wants to ever put pricing on here when they come up with something like this. Now I can go on sites like DSS and others and at least get some idea of what my cost would be. I very well may be interested in something like you propose as would some others possibly, but without knowing a price I can't even say one way or the other.

[Squintz Palladoris]

Originally Posted by DandD

I would think that without giving the pricing on this you aren't going to get too many people to say yes I want one. And you are not alone, there seems to be some reason that nobody wants to ever put pricing on here when they come up with something like this. Now I can go on sites like DSS and others and at least get some idea of what my cost would be. I very well may be interested in something like you propose as would some others possibly, but without knowing a price I can't even say one way or the other.

I posted a price above, and that is how much it runs for a 12 bolt or 9" which is a much more popular application. It is not an inexpensive diff. It does have a lifetime warranty. Putting this diff in the stock rear would be over kill.

It would be cool to have that option, but the price makes going to an aftermarket rear setup the better option.

If it would work in the ZL1 3rd member, and that 3rd member proves to let Ring and Pinion sets "Live" then it may be an option worth considering.

[adamsar]

Squintz, the problem we were running into at 700+hp was the clutches fusing in the stock diffs. As for pricing, with the other batches prices ran about $1000 and with a lifetime warranty you can't beat. I have the aftermarket axles and my 2.92 is better with my turbos than any other gears. This solution should fix the main issue of failure.

[Squintz Palladoris]

Adamsar,

I understand where you are coming from. Just can't justify the cost of building up the stock unit when much better packages are already available, with a lot more options.

This is what I mean:
Billet caps from JRE 169.00
Ring and pinion 600.00 "3.70, 3.90, 4.11, 4.33" (You may like a 2.92 gear but most want something other(lower) than a 3.27 or 3.45
Ring and pinion install kit 325.00
Wavetrac 1000.00
Axles 1400.00
Driveshaft 900.00 (Aluminum)
That is about 4400.00 assuming all work is performed by the buyer.
Labor to set up the ring and pinion varies from shop to shop. usually between 600 and 1000 dollars.

A 9" setup runs 4500 to 5000 depending on who's kit you run.
A 3rd member from Moser, already set up with a Wavetrac and nodular case is 2000.
Gear ratios availible:
2.91, 3.00, 3.25, 3.50, 3.70, 3.89, 4.11, 4.30 plus alot more up to 7.00 and depending on the manufacturer there are many ratios avilable inbetween.

Sell the stock Diff and subtract that amount from the total. Mine sold for 800.00 and I only had the ad up for a couple of days.

The built stock setup will probably live behind an automatic trans with 700rwhp. I wouldnt trust it much further than that. Behind a manual trans the money sunk into it would be wasted.

The 9" Will live behind either at a much higher power level. Has MANY more options in gearsets (gears are cheaper too).

If you are going to spend that kinda dough on a diff, why not spend a little more on a better Gearcase?

Sorry if this isnt what you want to hear.

[adamsar]

Not mad at all I can appreciate others input. At least this way another's perspective can change help a plan or stop it before it cost too much. I think the 9 inch is the ultimate way to go, but I'll leave this as the "another option" rear. It really started when I saw some of us had certain parts like axles and driveshafts, and where in the middle of the road and with the way the economy is every dollar counts. Especially with me since I have 3 projects going on (I know I'm an addict).

[DandD]

Squintz I see you posted the price, I wasn't speaking of you not posting a price, and I totally agree with you, your pricing figures are right on from what I have found in my research. And your point about putting the 9" in a stock car would be overkill is exactly the point where I am at right now.

[GFORCE1320]

Adamsar,

Have you talked to Wavetrac about the availability of a wavetrac for the Camaro and G8?
I talked to them a couple months ago and they told me a company was already working on a 32 spline posi for the G8 and had exclusive rights for it. Can't remember what the status on the Camaro posi was.
If course it could of fallen through or something..

Thanks
Chris

[GFORCE1320]

Ah.. I bet that was you I talked to today

[JLE58]

Originally Posted by Driveshaftshop

I thought the ring and pinion gears were the issues with the stock rear ?

Have you seen anyone break a good ring and pinion? Not a richmond. I heard of people breaking the spider gears and breaking richmond ring set. Im just asking cause i havent heard of anyone breaking one of ted's set ups with the lingerfelter rings and billet caps. Seems like to me the spider gears are the very weak link.

[Squintz Palladoris]

Originally Posted by JLE58

Have you seen anyone break a good ring and pinion? Not a richmond. I heard of people breaking the spider gears and breaking richmond ring set. Im just asking cause i havent heard of anyone breaking one of ted's set ups with the lingerfelter rings and billet caps. Seems like to me the spider gears are the very weak link.

May want to ask Ted about that.

[adamsar]

Originally Posted by GFORCE1320

Ah.. I bet that was you I talked to today

lol of course!