V6 throttle body question

[MaroMike94]

What's a good throttle body setup for the 2012 v6?

[kjkjr27]

Just a ported tb. A spacer doesn't add any benefits. The only time you should use one is with NOS

[MaroMike94]

Thanks, any suggestion to a specific throttle body for the v6 lt?

[Ryan2011RS]

RX or Mace is the only ones porting throttle bodies as of now and both are amazing products

[Blues45th]

Void warranty ?,! Correct ?

[ModernMuscle]

Originally Posted by Blues45th

Void warranty ?,! Correct ?

incorrect

[Blues45th]

Please explain then. I have been told different from gm but if you know something I don't please fill me in so I can call them back. Or if a gm customer rep wants to jump in would be even better

[ModernMuscle]

Understanding the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act of 1975. Nearly everyone has heard about someone who has taken a vehicle that has been modified with aftermarket parts to a dealer for warranty service, only to have the dealer refuse to cover the defective items. The dealer usually states that because of the aftermarket parts the warranty is void, without even attempting to determine whether the aftermarket part caused the problem.
This is illegal.
Vehicle manufacturers are not allowed to void the vehicle warranty just because aftermarket parts are on the vehicle.

[Blues45th]

I'm sure as a company selling after market products it's easy to turn this back on to the consumer and dealer. FYI my dealership is awesome with mods done to the car. Before each mod I call and ask them what can be done for let's say my cai. They said use the same sensor and your fine. Well that's what cai inc does so I was fine. Exhaust same as long as I go cat back I am fine. Asked about a tune. Not fine. And also they can tell when tune was then put back to stock with the new time stamps on the system. All I'm saying is you all sell these awesome after market products that we all are obliviously interested in. Why not work with gm instead of saying a quote from some law that to be honest I doubt members wanna pay a lawyer for a part costing under 1000 dollars. So again maybe a gm rep wants to chyme in on this because to be honest and I think you will agree , you could be sort of bios in your opinion. Thanks

[Apex Motorsports]

Originally Posted by MaroMike94

What's a good throttle body setup for the 2012 v6?

We consistently see good results from the RX CNC ported throttle bodies. Improved throttle response is the major benefit.

Originally Posted by Blues45th

Void warranty ?,! Correct ?

This is a question we get asked often and is a major concern for many people as they start down the road of modifying their vehicle. Search the web and you will find plenty of answers from the internet “experts”, but as usual most of them totally incorrect. Despite all the bad information out there, it is pretty cut and dry because there is federal law on the matter. The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act (15 U.S.C. 2302(C)) regulates warranties and protects the consumer. This legislation was enacted in 1975 in response to widespread deceptive warranty practices in many industries. Here is how SEMA summarizes things:

"The essence of the law concerning aftermarket auto parts is that a vehicle manufacturer may not condition a written or implied warranty on the consumers using parts or services which are identified by brand, trade, or corporate name (such as the vehicle maker’s brand) unless the parts or service are provided free of charge. The law means that the use of an aftermarket part alone is not cause for denying the warranty. However, the law’s protection does not extend to aftermarket parts in situations where such parts actually caused the damage being claimed under the warranty. Further, consumers are advised to be aware of any specific terms or conditions stated in the warranty which may result in its being voided. The law states in relevant part: No warrantor of a consumer product may condition his written or implied warranty of such product on the consumers using, in connection with such product, any article or service (other than article or service provided without charge under the terms of the warranty) which is identified by brand, trade or corporate name… (15 U.S.C. 2302(C))."

So in short, this means a service department or automotive manufacturer can not void your warranty simply because you have installed aftermarket parts or have modified your vehicle. They can, however, deny a warranty claim if they can prove the issue in question was a direct result of the installed part or modification. Unfortunately, plenty of people have stories of going to a dealership service department with a warranty issue and being denied because they have modified their vehicle. There are definitely shady service departments out there who will try to get over on their customers if they can, but this is illegal and it is up to the customer to know the law and stand up.

Here is an example of what can not be denied:

You install a supercharger in your vehicle and a month later your drivers side window stops working. The supercharger has no impact on your electric window motor, therefore, the repair should be covered.

Here is and example of what could be denied:

You install a supercharger in your vehicle and a month later your clutch is toast. The additional power created by a supercharger can easily overpower a stock clutch and lead to the repair not being covered under warranty.

In the case of a ported throttle body they would be very hard pressed to be able to link anything to that. The likelihood of them even knowing you had a ported throttle body would be very low since it looks identical to stock except for the inside.

[Blues45th]

So then like I asked why aren't gm and after market dealers working together and also what is the difference between the stock and aftermarket v6 throttle body. I was told by some gear heads not worth the money. I'd rather get a catch can from my boys down south of me

[Apex Motorsports]

Originally Posted by Blues45th

So then like I asked why aren't gm and after market dealers working together and also what is the difference between the stock and aftermarket v6 throttle body. I was told by some gear heads not worth the money. I'd rather get a catch can from my boys down south of me

Last week at SEMA there were a few dozen cars at the GM booth modified with aftermarket parts. Your GM dealer has a GMPP catalog full of aftermarket parts you can buy directly through them (at a premium, mind you). The thing is that these cars are designed and tested by GM a certain way and they warranty that the car will hold up under those conditions. But when a customer goes nuts and starts making serious changes to the car it can create unknown and untested stresses that can negatively impact reliability. But when you are talking about bolt on mods it is a different story. The law is the law. If they can not show that the issue is a direct result of the modification then they have to honor the warranty.

The aftermarket ported throttle bodies are factory throttle bodies that have been ported to improve airflow. It is not like installing a supercharger but for $150 you get a nice improvement in throttle response. The other thing to keep in mind is that your car is a system of systems. You are not going to realize the full benefit of any single performance part until you also upgrade the other pieces of the equation. Especially when you are talking about air flow. Ask RubyCamaro what her Apex Scoop, CAI Inc intake, RX throttle body, and Black Ice-Olator intake package did for her car. They call her "The SS Slayer" at the drag strip.

Originally Posted by RubyCamaro

I took Ruby out for a nice ride today. It was hard to hold her back. she did NOT want to go in town speeds of 30-45. When we got out of town I wanted to punch it just a little. When I did.......................HOLY CRAP ! I didn't even have the pedal close to half way down & in a flash she hit almost 6000 rpm so I quickly backed off. I needed to re-learn how to drive her. Ruby & I are both re-learning now. I was very careful with accellerations after that. The engine is sounding better too. I am trying to download a video clip Andy made of how she sounded when we first started her up. She sounded kind of rough then. I'll try to get another clip of her sound when I get enough miles on the new mods for the re-learn. I probably have logged about 40 mi already. I'll post the video whenever it loads (probably middle of the night or in the morning ). Me thinks the drag strip is going to be REALLY fun this weekend!

[ModernMuscle]

I understand your point, The point I was trying to make is that if you show the dealership that you know your rights as a consumer they usually back off and will never take it that far you have to remember it cost them money to fight as well.

As for the ported TB it is a GM part that has been reworked the only way for them to tell it was modified is to measure it, I highly doubt that the mechanics at the dealership are running around with calipers in there hands. And as for working directly with GM or any auto manufacturer its never going to happen then GM would want royalties for everything the aftermarket companies make for there vehicles, And if that is the case your 100.00 catch can would now be 250.00 catch can. This is the main reason aftermarket companies where started to begin with.

[Blues45th]

Where can I get a 100 catch can. Lol jk I understand I just want people to understand and like chase said too ,yes dealers can be asses and also customer with knowledge always scare them but just sucks for someone like me who sinks a heavy amount into a car payment and wants to get the most out of my car is being what I feel is held back by interpretation of laws and dealers . What you guys know about tunes. Also what's a ice-orator do? And I do love my apex scoop w/w relocator and also the cai inc.. It's like my wife says. Is brand new what could you need to get for it . I had a caddy before my camaro and I had the problem with orings and oil consumption to where I got rid of the car to gm. So after explaining to her and showing the pics she gets it and says" stupid they don't put it on the car to begin with" and with that I say happy shopping.