Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com
 
Roto-Fab
Go Back   Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com > Engine | Drivetrain | Powertrain Technical Discussions > Forced Induction - V8


Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 01-19-2015, 12:47 PM   #1
Camaro_Custom_Painted
Choke on that causality!
 
Camaro_Custom_Painted's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 2SS/RS
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 645
Question Please help - AutoMeter A/F gauge readings

Does your A/F gauge constantly move around like this? Included link is to a video of my Auto Meter A/F wideband gauge. Car is fully warmed up, dyno tuned to 11.x A/F. I hold the RPM steady at about 2K (first part of the vid), then back to idle, then up to about 3K (you can hear the engine if you turn your volume on). I'm holding the RPM fairly steady, but the gauge never gets near steady. Auto Meter support is telling me this is normal. I can't get the car out and drive it as, its stored for the winter, to see if that would make a difference. I Would appreciate hearing your opinion.

http://youtu.be/3tgGf7gMFqo
__________________
Edelbrock EForce - Stainless Works Headers - BMR Sways & Arms & Toe Links & Control Arm Bushings & End Links - Rotofab CAI - Assorted Interior, Exterior, Underhood Bling - Red Jewel Stripes & Full Body Clear - Lexani LX15 Wheels - JRE Fuel Rail Upgrade - Kenne Bell BAP - Heartthrob XPipe - Elite Catch Can - Pedders Cradle & Front Arm Bushings - Hotchkis Strut Brace - MSD Wires - Carbotech Brakes - DSS 1000HP Axles & Driveshaft - Mickey Thompson Tires - Halo Harness - AutoMeter A/F, Boost, Fuel Pressure Gauges - Whats Next?
Camaro_Custom_Painted is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-19-2015, 01:24 PM   #2
1KillerSS
Too much is never enough!
 
1KillerSS's Avatar
 
Drives: AGP TT SS [COTW] 4/20/15
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Toledo,OH
Posts: 4,149
Send a message via Skype™ to 1KillerSS
OK im the smartest person so bear with me....You say your car is tuned for 11.x AFR, but I am assuming that's your PE @ WOT? If that's the case then you wont get 11.x until your pedal is over 49 percent WOT.... Hovering around the 3k mark wont get your AFR to drop to 11.x, it will try to get to 14.68, (if that's what you've set your fueling at)which is what your gauge looks like its trying to do. Am I wrong?

What is weird, is when you come off the throttle, it looks like the gauge goes fat instead of lean. I am not a fan of needle type AFR gauges I like the digital display. I wish I could help you more, but that's the best I can do.
__________________
AGP TT kit, 54/57 Forged rotating assembly, Custom grind cam... Dual nozzle meth, ID850's, Livernois dual fuel pumps, ECS BAP, 25% UDP, 3 inch Magnaflow catback with X pipe, Mantic 9000 clutch, DSS 1000hp axles, DSS aluminum driveshaft, ZL1 rear end, solid subframe bushings, HE differential offset bushings, BMR Trailing arm, BMR toe rods, Lingenfelter LNC-2000,SJM Line Lock. 747 whp 714wtq


Build thread
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...55#post8107855
1KillerSS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-19-2015, 01:31 PM   #3
Camaro_Custom_Painted
Choke on that causality!
 
Camaro_Custom_Painted's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 2SS/RS
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 645
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1KillerSS View Post
OK im the smartest person so bear with me....You say your car is tuned for 11.x AFR, but I am assuming that's your PE @ WOT? If that's the case then you wont get 11.x until your pedal is over 49 percent WOT.... Hovering around the 3k mark wont get your AFR to drop to 11.x, it will try to get to 14.68, (if that's what you've set your fueling at)which is what your gauge looks like its trying to do. Am I wrong?

What is weird, is when you come off the throttle, it looks like the gauge goes fat instead of lean. I am not a fan of needle type AFR gauges I like the digital display. I wish I could help you more, but that's the best I can do.

You may be 100% correct! I have no idea that's why I'm asking you smart guys! Even at a steady 3k RPM, I would expect it to be more steady of a readout though.
__________________
Edelbrock EForce - Stainless Works Headers - BMR Sways & Arms & Toe Links & Control Arm Bushings & End Links - Rotofab CAI - Assorted Interior, Exterior, Underhood Bling - Red Jewel Stripes & Full Body Clear - Lexani LX15 Wheels - JRE Fuel Rail Upgrade - Kenne Bell BAP - Heartthrob XPipe - Elite Catch Can - Pedders Cradle & Front Arm Bushings - Hotchkis Strut Brace - MSD Wires - Carbotech Brakes - DSS 1000HP Axles & Driveshaft - Mickey Thompson Tires - Halo Harness - AutoMeter A/F, Boost, Fuel Pressure Gauges - Whats Next?
Camaro_Custom_Painted is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-19-2015, 01:40 PM   #4
1KillerSS
Too much is never enough!
 
1KillerSS's Avatar
 
Drives: AGP TT SS [COTW] 4/20/15
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Toledo,OH
Posts: 4,149
Send a message via Skype™ to 1KillerSS
My Innovate digital AFR gauge will hunt, not exactly but similar to that. It does not say 14.68 while I am cruizing down the road at 60. it will hunt north and south of that number while at a steady RPM. Thats exactly what your PCM is doing BTW its trying to reach 14.68 It does that by adding and subtracting fuel.....hence why your needle is going high then low.....So I would say that it appears to be functioning correctly, while im not a fan of how it responds, it looks to be working correctly.

Hope that helps.
__________________
AGP TT kit, 54/57 Forged rotating assembly, Custom grind cam... Dual nozzle meth, ID850's, Livernois dual fuel pumps, ECS BAP, 25% UDP, 3 inch Magnaflow catback with X pipe, Mantic 9000 clutch, DSS 1000hp axles, DSS aluminum driveshaft, ZL1 rear end, solid subframe bushings, HE differential offset bushings, BMR Trailing arm, BMR toe rods, Lingenfelter LNC-2000,SJM Line Lock. 747 whp 714wtq


Build thread
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...55#post8107855
1KillerSS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-19-2015, 07:55 PM   #5
Nitroman28

 
Nitroman28's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 Camaro SS 416/4L80
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Arkansas
Posts: 1,835
Looks to be working. It will bounce around. WOT and it will go steady.
Nitroman28 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-19-2015, 08:50 PM   #6
Unreal


 
Drives: 2006 Z06
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Gilbert, AZ
Posts: 5,712
Perfectly normal. Car bounces around 14.5ish typically. In closed loop it constantly swings back and forth and adjust fuel trims. It should be fairly steady at WOT, but idle and part throttle driving it should be just like that.
__________________
Nick
Corvette Z06 -1200ish rwhp
Unreal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2015, 07:20 AM   #7
Camaro_Custom_Painted
Choke on that causality!
 
Camaro_Custom_Painted's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 2SS/RS
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 645
Thanks to you all for responding!
__________________
Edelbrock EForce - Stainless Works Headers - BMR Sways & Arms & Toe Links & Control Arm Bushings & End Links - Rotofab CAI - Assorted Interior, Exterior, Underhood Bling - Red Jewel Stripes & Full Body Clear - Lexani LX15 Wheels - JRE Fuel Rail Upgrade - Kenne Bell BAP - Heartthrob XPipe - Elite Catch Can - Pedders Cradle & Front Arm Bushings - Hotchkis Strut Brace - MSD Wires - Carbotech Brakes - DSS 1000HP Axles & Driveshaft - Mickey Thompson Tires - Halo Harness - AutoMeter A/F, Boost, Fuel Pressure Gauges - Whats Next?
Camaro_Custom_Painted is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2015, 08:01 AM   #8
Bo White


 
Bo White's Avatar
 
Drives: 2015 Summit White 2SS 1LE
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Vance Alabama
Posts: 8,041
This is why fuel injection was invented. The swing in closed loop is for cat health. A cat needs the engine to run rich and lean at the same time for efficiency and a carb can't do that. Once the computer sences the engine to go WOT by throttle position and vacuum signal drop it will go into open loop and no longer swing the a/f and be steady at were it was tuned to.
__________________
Retired wanna be cylinder head porter
2015 2SS 1LE Clutch reservoir, Vararam DRX, ported TB, TSP 2" headers, MGW shifter
Totalled:
2010 1SS Wilkes Performance/Eagle 416 shortblock, TSP custom valvetrain, PRC 260 heads, Edelbrock Pro Flo 102, th400 swap, 8" PTC 5500 stall= 535/435 at the wheels tuned Gen 3 Performance and Dyno 10.97 @ 124 full weight in 3100 DA CamaroFest X
Bo White is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:11 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.