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hamidar05 · 09-06-2009, 01:35 PM

Am I a complete idiot?.... got a Mothers Clay Bar Kit - washed my car with Dawn - then did the hood with the clay bar and used a good amount of the detailer spray that came with the kit to keep it lubed....

Scratches right on the edge of the cowl, and the gdamn water spots the dealer left on there were still there! Luckily they are light scratches from the clay bar... there was no dirt on my freshly washed towels, and there wasn't a freaking dust storm... Clay Bar my ass - it did more harm than good. Maybe if I parked the cart under a pine tree I might need to try it again, but never again on Black that was pretty clean to start with...

To add to the story, the dealer 'detailed' my car, yeah right, some swirls I can understand, but there are scratches, especially toward the driver rear quarter panel. I should have insisted on them not 'detailing' my car...

So needless to say, going to see how the Porter Cable buffer (not getting here until after Labor Day

) and Zaino PC do... I did a section using the PC by hand and got some haze, but after I used Z5 and it turned out pretty, nice... though I still didn't get to the scratch I was trying to correct very well..

And the quality of the paint overall... orangepeel, again what should I expect for a factory finish.. Have to make the best of it until another incarnation in the future.

But man do I love this car

, can't wait to get some miles on it and really drive it.. It screams to me to go fast, so hard to resist.. I have to get it to a track or I'm gonna get into trouble.

Jeanius · 09-06-2009, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hamidar05

Am I a complete idiot?.... got a Mothers Clay Bar Kit - washed my car with Dawn - then did the hood with the clay bar and used a good amount of the detailer spray that came with the kit to keep it lubed....

Scratches right on the edge of the cowl, and the gdamn water spots the dealer left on there were still there! Luckily they are light scratches from the clay bar... there was no dirt on my freshly washed towels, and there wasn't a freaking dust storm... Clay Bar my ass - it did more harm than good. Maybe if I parked the cart under a pine tree I might need to try it again, but never again on Black that was pretty clean to start with...

To add to the story, the dealer 'detailed' my car, yeah right, some swirls I can understand, but there are scratches, especially toward the driver rear quarter panel. I should have insisted on them not 'detailing' my car...

So needless to say, going to see how the Porter Cable buffer (not getting here until after Labor Day

) and Zaino PC do... I did a section using the PC by hand and got some haze, but after I used Z5 and it turned out pretty, nice... though I still didn't get to the scratch I was trying to correct very well..

And the quality of the paint overall... orangepeel, again what should I expect for a factory finish.. Have to make the best of it until another incarnation in the future.

But man do I love this car

, can't wait to get some miles on it and really drive it.. It screams to me to go fast, so hard to resist.. I have to get it to a track or I'm gonna get into trouble.

Also got Black and I'm worried about the same thing but I think once you put that Z5 on there it will be golden!

vdevine · 09-06-2009, 05:53 PM

I used Ice Liquid Claybar out of the sun inside my garage. Rinse well with water after haze setup, then towel dry. Normal wax afterward. Beauty.

Rummel Autosport · 09-06-2009, 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vdevine

I used Ice Liquid Claybar out of the sun inside my garage. Rinse well with water after haze setup, then towel dry. Normal wax afterward. Beauty.

That sounds like a good method, I don't know how my garage would do with washing a car inside though. I don't know that I have good enough drainage for that, and I do not have a garage on a slant. So I don't think I want to try this, but I have been thinking of getting a car-port, or canopy for just these types of things.

vdevine · 09-06-2009, 06:42 PM

Claybar inside the garage, then pull it out of the garage to rinse it and dry it with a towel, then pull it back in to wax.

bluman · 09-07-2009, 07:21 AM

I clayed my BLK Corvette, did not have any problems, got rid of all the water spots that I had on car when I picked her up from the dealer,the trick is to keep her WELL LUBRICATED

use lots of detailing spray, I used 2 bottles of it, I was afraid of clay marring, if you incurred some light scratches get a Porter Cable 7424XP orbital buffer, use a light (not too abrasive) polish and you will eliminate the light marring and scratches that you have.

hamidar05 · 09-07-2009, 09:44 AM

Thanks guys... that's the plan, Porter Cable and Zaino PC. Man, was looking at the car in the garage after it's first wash (Dawn) and the the dealer 'detailing' scratched the hell out of it. I saw most of the bad ones outside and worked them with the PC, but geez, it's like someone took some sand paper and lightly went over the car.

All dealers hear this - Get the gdamn rail dust off the cars before you detail it, and when you wash it make sure that crap isn't trapped in the wash mit or whatever you're using.. gdamnit

Computerplay · 09-07-2009, 09:40 PM

ham, i had the same situation with my black baby. Dealer or transport put 2 deeper scratches and swirl marks all over when they washed it. I used polisher with Mequiars SwirlX for most and Meg. Ultimate compound on the 2 big scratches. Then Meg. gold wax and it looked good.

Just use the least abrasive product to get the job done. Take your time and you'll be good to go.

I now use Zaino. just did 2 coats of Z5 today and I can still see a couple swirls, so I will try the polisher again next time I detail.

good luck.

Miketebo22 · 09-07-2009, 09:45 PM

i got some wicked hardwater spots on my black SS and cannot for the life of me get them off either

MyNewSolstice · 09-07-2009, 09:46 PM

No claybars are your friends a guy with a buffer is also your friend! here is my Daily Driver after 90k

You'll get chips and scratchs and dents! trust me! it is about the overall integrity of the paint and also to not make it a first 20k of miles baby and the first mishap you give up! just stay with it. trust me after almost 100k the most anyone has though I had on the car was 30k! that makes it worth it,

Michael_Js · 09-07-2009, 09:53 PM

I clay barred my Black SS today with Zaino. Came beautiful. There really wasn't much in the way of dirt at all. I did 2 coats of Z2 in between 1 coat of Z5. They I finished her off with the Z6 (?) spray. My only issue was that I have the new Z8 spray and for some reason, that did not come off well at all! I had to use the other finishing spray to get it off. I am thinking the car was way too warm, even though it was under a canopy and not directly in the sun. I'll post pictures later but it came out gorgeous!!

ddunerider · 09-07-2009, 10:02 PM

I dont have a Black car I have a SIM It has only been washed once in 1200 miles I use Mequiars Quick Detal Mist and Wipe to clean and the Meguiars wax after.And only the detal spray when it needs it like everother daybut no clay Bar it really didnt need it under the lights it looks like Glass no marks at all!!!But Did use the Clay Bar on the wifes Tahoe ist IBM and it is a 07 and sits outside.After the clay bar and wax it looks brand new again!!!I know how hard it is to keep a Black car looking clean.Good luck.

jeffny09 · 09-07-2009, 11:56 PM

i have givin up on swirl marks i got so man of them prolyl from me for the most part though i though i was cleaning and waxing it right but i still get them only an see them in the sun but bothers the shit outta me

vdevine · 09-08-2009, 04:26 AM

No offense guys but the improper use of the English language is making this thread very hard to read.

09-06-2009, 01:35 PM	#1
hamidar05 Drives: 10 Camaro/69 Bronco/08 Mazda3 Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 305 View My Garage	Clay Bar - Black Car Am I a complete idiot?.... got a Mothers Clay Bar Kit - washed my car with Dawn - then did the hood with the clay bar and used a good amount of the detailer spray that came with the kit to keep it lubed.... Scratches right on the edge of the cowl, and the gdamn water spots the dealer left on there were still there! Luckily they are light scratches from the clay bar... there was no dirt on my freshly washed towels, and there wasn't a freaking dust storm... Clay Bar my ass - it did more harm than good. Maybe if I parked the cart under a pine tree I might need to try it again, but never again on Black that was pretty clean to start with... To add to the story, the dealer 'detailed' my car, yeah right, some swirls I can understand, but there are scratches, especially toward the driver rear quarter panel. I should have insisted on them not 'detailing' my car... So needless to say, going to see how the Porter Cable buffer (not getting here until after Labor Day ) and Zaino PC do... I did a section using the PC by hand and got some haze, but after I used Z5 and it turned out pretty, nice... though I still didn't get to the scratch I was trying to correct very well.. And the quality of the paint overall... orangepeel, again what should I expect for a factory finish.. Have to make the best of it until another incarnation in the future. But man do I love this car , can't wait to get some miles on it and really drive it.. It screams to me to go fast, so hard to resist.. I have to get it to a track or I'm gonna get into trouble. __________________ Selection Worksheet - 04/27/09 3300 - 08/03/09 6000 - 08/25/09 VIN# 34612 Bitchin Camaro - Dead Milkmen - http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/8092 Thank You Oshawa - Domo arigato Mr. Roboto ~1600 mi so far - 07/18/10

09-06-2009, 05:53 PM	#3
vdevine Drives: 2010 Black SS Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Virginia Posts: 605 View My Garage	Black SS... I used Ice Liquid Claybar out of the sun inside my garage. Rinse well with water after haze setup, then towel dry. Normal wax afterward. Beauty. __________________ Vince SS2 Black with CGM Stripes 3800 Born: 25 May VIN#12136 6000 Mine 26 June 2009 SLP Loudmouth II, NOWEEDS, BMR 1.4/1.0 Lowering Springs, Cold Air Inductions Intake, Tune, Eagle Eyes w HID, SLP "SS" Grille Insert, Pistol Grip Shifter, Hawk PC Pads, RGB Scanner, Tint, Headlight Armor, Clear Bra, 22's.

09-06-2009, 06:42 PM	#5
vdevine Drives: 2010 Black SS Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Virginia Posts: 605 View My Garage	Claybar inside the garage, then pull it out of the garage to rinse it and dry it with a towel, then pull it back in to wax. __________________ Vince SS2 Black with CGM Stripes 3800 Born: 25 May VIN#12136 6000 Mine 26 June 2009 SLP Loudmouth II, NOWEEDS, BMR 1.4/1.0 Lowering Springs, Cold Air Inductions Intake, Tune, Eagle Eyes w HID, SLP "SS" Grille Insert, Pistol Grip Shifter, Hawk PC Pads, RGB Scanner, Tint, Headlight Armor, Clear Bra, 22's.

09-07-2009, 07:21 AM	#6
bluman Drives: '10 Corvette GS/'13 Mustang Join Date: May 2009 Location: Long Island NY Posts: 636	I clayed my BLK Corvette, did not have any problems, got rid of all the water spots that I had on car when I picked her up from the dealer,the trick is to keep her WELL LUBRICATED use lots of detailing spray, I used 2 bottles of it, I was afraid of clay marring, if you incurred some light scratches get a Porter Cable 7424XP orbital buffer, use a light (not too abrasive) polish and you will eliminate the light marring and scratches that you have. __________________ 2010 Camaro SIM/CGM RS/2LT VIN #310 SOLD 2010 Corvette Grand Sport

09-07-2009, 09:44 AM	#7
hamidar05 Drives: 10 Camaro/69 Bronco/08 Mazda3 Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 305 View My Garage	Thanks guys... that's the plan, Porter Cable and Zaino PC. Man, was looking at the car in the garage after it's first wash (Dawn) and the the dealer 'detailing' scratched the hell out of it. I saw most of the bad ones outside and worked them with the PC, but geez, it's like someone took some sand paper and lightly went over the car. All dealers hear this - Get the gdamn rail dust off the cars before you detail it, and when you wash it make sure that crap isn't trapped in the wash mit or whatever you're using.. gdamnit __________________ Selection Worksheet - 04/27/09 3300 - 08/03/09 6000 - 08/25/09 VIN# 34612 Bitchin Camaro - Dead Milkmen - http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/8092 Thank You Oshawa - Domo arigato Mr. Roboto ~1600 mi so far - 07/18/10

09-07-2009, 09:40 PM	#8
Computerplay Drives: 2010 1LT RS Black/Silver Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: South GA Posts: 110	ham, i had the same situation with my black baby. Dealer or transport put 2 deeper scratches and swirl marks all over when they washed it. I used polisher with Mequiars SwirlX for most and Meg. Ultimate compound on the 2 big scratches. Then Meg. gold wax and it looked good. Just use the least abrasive product to get the job done. Take your time and you'll be good to go. I now use Zaino. just did 2 coats of Z5 today and I can still see a couple swirls, so I will try the polisher again next time I detail. good luck. __________________ 1LT RS Auto Tap Black/Black, Silver Stripes, Sunroof 1100 = 4/22/09 2000 = ? 2500 = 5/27/09 3000 = 5/27/09 3300 = 6/24/09 tpw 7/20 3400 = 7/20/09 3800 = produced 7/22/09? #28839 4200, Shipped 7/24/09? 5000, 8/13/09 6000 = Delivered to Customer 8/13/09

09-07-2009, 09:45 PM	#9
Miketebo22 Iceman Drives: SOLD #20,908 SS waiting for ZL1 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Rapid City SD Posts: 557	i got some wicked hardwater spots on my black SS and cannot for the life of me get them off either __________________ 2G1FT1EW8A9120908

09-07-2009, 09:46 PM	#10
MyNewSolstice Drives: 06 Solstice Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 349 View My Garage	No claybars are your friends a guy with a buffer is also your friend! here is my Daily Driver after 90k You'll get chips and scratchs and dents! trust me! it is about the overall integrity of the paint and also to not make it a first 20k of miles baby and the first mishap you give up! just stay with it. trust me after almost 100k the most anyone has though I had on the car was 30k! that makes it worth it, __________________ 2006 Solstice Z0K 1978 Camaro Z28 1978 Corvette 350/220HP SOON TO BE LS2

09-07-2009, 09:53 PM	#11
Michael_Js SoCal C5 Family Member Drives: 2010 Camaro SS/RS - Black w/IOM; 6M Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: San Diego, CA, USA Posts: 5,299 View My Garage	I clay barred my Black SS today with Zaino. Came beautiful. There really wasn't much in the way of dirt at all. I did 2 coats of Z2 in between 1 coat of Z5. They I finished her off with the Z6 (?) spray. My only issue was that I have the new Z8 spray and for some reason, that did not come off well at all! I had to use the other finishing spray to get it off. I am thinking the car was way too warm, even though it was under a canopy and not directly in the sun. I'll post pictures later but it came out gorgeous!! __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 2010 Black 2SS/RS; 6M; IOM, GFX, sunroof; ADM Race CAI; Zoomers CB; Viper Alarm; Pdaft F&R sways, Adj Endlinks, Rtrailing arms, Camber kit, strut brace, Front Trailing Arm Bushing; SLP Skip-Shift Elim; Tinted lights/windows; Hurst Short-throw; LoJack; Door & Dash ABL Mods; ********; JBA Shorty headers; AACStyle LEDs; Stillen DS rotors, Hawk Ceramic pads; Havoc Blk Chrome wheels: 20x9s; Lingenfelter Blk Al Pedals; RevXtreme Catch Can; Goodridge SS lines; Ported TB; RK Sport hood; Hotchkis chassis brace; KW V3 coilovers;

09-07-2009, 10:02 PM	#12
ddunerider So-Cal Race team!! Drives: Tahoe LTZ,2010 2SS/M6 Camaro Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Phillips Ranch ca. So-Cal Posts: 5,973 View My Garage	I dont have a Black car I have a SIM It has only been washed once in 1200 miles I use Mequiars Quick Detal Mist and Wipe to clean and the Meguiars wax after.And only the detal spray when it needs it like everother daybut no clay Bar it really didnt need it under the lights it looks like Glass no marks at all!!!But Did use the Clay Bar on the wifes Tahoe ist IBM and it is a 07 and sits outside.After the clay bar and wax it looks brand new again!!!I know how hard it is to keep a Black car looking clean.Good luck. __________________ WE RACE DEEP!! BBK Intake, Flowmaster AT cat back Barton shifter,Painted stripes,,Heritage grill,LED DRLs, Smokin Tires!!

09-07-2009, 11:56 PM	#13
jeffny09 Drives: 2010 camaro Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: new york Posts: 5,618	i have givin up on swirl marks i got so man of them prolyl from me for the most part though i though i was cleaning and waxing it right but i still get them only an see them in the sun but bothers the shit outta me __________________ top 10 reason why real men drive stick. 10. A manual transmission is the ultimate in control 9. You can use automotive jargon and not sound like a total tool 8. You can't spell "manual" without "man" 7. Manual transmissions prove you can do more than one thing at a time 6. You can't drift in an auto 5. You can't pull fancy moves in an automatic 4. You get better fuel economy with a stick 3. You’ll never look like a chump if you can drive stick 2. Manual transmission cars are faster 1. Women like a guy who is good with his hands.

09-08-2009, 04:26 AM	#14
vdevine Drives: 2010 Black SS Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Virginia Posts: 605 View My Garage	No offense guys but the improper use of the English language is making this thread very hard to read. __________________ Vince SS2 Black with CGM Stripes 3800 Born: 25 May VIN#12136 6000 Mine 26 June 2009 SLP Loudmouth II, NOWEEDS, BMR 1.4/1.0 Lowering Springs, Cold Air Inductions Intake, Tune, Eagle Eyes w HID, SLP "SS" Grille Insert, Pistol Grip Shifter, Hawk PC Pads, RGB Scanner, Tint, Headlight Armor, Clear Bra, 22's.

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