Dyno tune vs agp base tune - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

Moreair1 · 03-03-2016, 11:02 AM

Not sure if anyone will have the answer but I'll ask it anyways, I am currently running agp tt kit my kit includes the following- 850cc injectors, MSD Voltage Booster, Turbos are 54/57 JournalBearing --- .63 a/r 800whp (FAST spooling), my question is how much power am I leaving if any on the table running the agp base tune vs a dyno tune?

Cool AirZ28 · 03-03-2016, 11:36 AM

Guys that I know who are running the AGP kit that used the base tune at first then went and got a dyno tune said the base tune was pretty much spot on. They gained a few ponies but nothing major

Unreal · 03-03-2016, 12:26 PM

Hard to say. Base tune definately isn't setup for 5k+ elevation, and is way safe. Could be 10hp or 150hp. Being in CO, I would get it tuned asap. And don't worry about a dyno tune, just get a local tune. IMO street tune is far superior to a dyno tune. That concepts is so blown out of proportion.

Moreair1 · 03-03-2016, 12:57 PM

What do you think of email tune's like I see advertised form a couple sponsors on the board, I ask since the closest shop is around 3 1/2 hours away and haven't really heard great things about the shops and thank you all for your advice.

Unreal · 03-03-2016, 01:12 PM

Depends on the tuner. Matt@FSP, great tunes through email. Others, not so much.

As long as they are going to look at logs and then adjust, that is no different than a dyno tune.

DaFisch · 03-03-2016, 01:12 PM

some people on here do some good work with the order Tunes. I'd definitely do some research and try it out. They'll work with you too to dial it in correctly if they are reputable.

flyer08 · 03-03-2016, 01:45 PM

You won't have issues with a mail ordered tune if you can log afr and other data they need to see to make adjustments.

Well, as long as they know what they are doing

camaro692 · 03-03-2016, 01:55 PM

I am also in Colorado and looking for a good tuner for the AGP kit. Subscribed for ideas

1KillerSS · 03-03-2016, 04:05 PM

+1 for Matt from FSP, he can get it dead on VIA email. He did mine.

If you have an AFR gauge, best way to see what kind of power your leaving on the table is to tell us your AFR. That is one of the best way I know if to judge how a car is performing.

Moreair1 · 03-03-2016, 09:34 PM

What all did Matt from fsp need to do your email tune? and is it an issue that I have the standard hp tuner?

1KillerSS · 03-03-2016, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Moreair1

What all did Matt from fsp need to do your email tune? and is it an issue that I have the standard hp tuner?

The issue with you having the standard HPT version is, you cannot log AFR from your AFR gauge.......It can be done using the AC input, but that is for version 2.24 not 2.25. Not to mention, even if you were to use version 2.24 and used your AC input to log your AFR. Matt wouldn't be able to see your data. You would have to take screenshots of your logs, and email them to him. Without wideband AFR, you would have to use fuel trims. Best thing is to contact Matt, and ask him what he prefers to do. I can show you how to use your AC input to log your AFR. In the past Matt has used screenshots, of data and tuned accordingly, using the AC input, but it was a PITA, and I don't know if he would be willing to do that again. Hontestly, I would send yours into HPT and pay for the upgrade. That way you can data log wideband AFR.

cc-rider · 03-03-2016, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by 1KillerSS

The issue with you having the standard HPT version is, you cannot log AFR from your AFR gauge.......It can be done using the AC input, but that is for version 2.24 not 2.25. Not to mention, even if you were to use version 2.24 and used your AC input to log your AFR. Matt wouldn't be able to see your data. You would have to take screenshots of your logs, and email them to him. Without wideband AFR, you would have to use fuel trims. Best thing is to contact Matt, and ask him what he prefers to do. I can show you how to use your AC input to log your AFR. In the past Matt has used screenshots, of data and tuned accordingly, using the AC input, but it was a PITA, and I don't know if he would be willing to do that again. Hontestly, I would send yours into HPT and pay for the upgrade. That way you can data log wideband AFR.

Good lesson here from 1KillerSS. If you're going to get the HP Tuners suite...get the Pro so you can hook up a wideband. The extra $$'s are insignificant.

Moreair1 · 03-04-2016, 12:08 AM

Ok thank you I have been pondering on upgrading my hp tuner for two reasons, one so I could data log and the second being so I could learn some about tuning

1KillerSS · 03-04-2016, 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Moreair1

Ok thank you I have been pondering on upgrading my hp tuner for two reasons, one so I could data log and the second being so I could learn some about tuning

Dont get me wrong, you can log your AFR using HPT standard, VCM 2.24.

But like I said, nobody will be able to view your AFR data, but you. It will show as an unsupported parameter, when being viewed on a computer that wasn't used to actually do the datalogging. Plus with HPT switching to VCM 2.25 or now its called V3, who knows if you can even log your AC input with the new stuff. Spend the money and send it into HPT for the Pro upgrade. Well worth the money.

03-03-2016, 11:02 AM	#1
Moreair1 Drives: 2011 ss convertible Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,329 View My Garage	Dyno tune vs agp base tune Not sure if anyone will have the answer but I'll ask it anyways, I am currently running agp tt kit my kit includes the following- 850cc injectors, MSD Voltage Booster, Turbos are 54/57 JournalBearing --- .63 a/r 800whp (FAST spooling), my question is how much power am I leaving if any on the table running the agp base tune vs a dyno tune? __________________ Cai intake and a few other mods😎

03-03-2016, 11:36 AM	#2
Cool AirZ28 Drives: 2013 Black Camaro 2SS/RS Convert. Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Sauk Village, Illinois Posts: 506 View My Garage	Guys that I know who are running the AGP kit that used the base tune at first then went and got a dyno tune said the base tune was pretty much spot on. They gained a few ponies but nothing major __________________ 2013 Camaro 2SS/RS-Smoked tail lights and side markers, HID log lights, & LED lighting inside/outside the car, SJM LED Cupholder, SJM full dashboard ABL lighting, ZL1 Rockers, 1LE Splitter, Showstopper LED Mirrors, Showstopper LED Side Markers, & Showstopper Heat Extractor Hood, 20" Niche Concourse ZL1 Styled wheels 20X8.5 & 20X10 with 275/40/20 & 315/35/20 Nitto Invos, Black Gorilla Lug Nuts/Locks, Black Billet Elite Camaro License Plate Holder, and Hydro Dipped Speedo/Shifter/AC-Heat Bezels.

03-03-2016, 12:26 PM	#3
Unreal Drives: 2006 Z06 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 5,712	Hard to say. Base tune definately isn't setup for 5k+ elevation, and is way safe. Could be 10hp or 150hp. Being in CO, I would get it tuned asap. And don't worry about a dyno tune, just get a local tune. IMO street tune is far superior to a dyno tune. That concepts is so blown out of proportion. __________________ Nick Corvette Z06 -1200ish rwhp

03-03-2016, 12:57 PM	#4
Moreair1 Drives: 2011 ss convertible Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,329 View My Garage	What do you think of email tune's like I see advertised form a couple sponsors on the board, I ask since the closest shop is around 3 1/2 hours away and haven't really heard great things about the shops and thank you all for your advice. __________________ Cai intake and a few other mods😎

03-03-2016, 01:12 PM	#5
Unreal Drives: 2006 Z06 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 5,712	Depends on the tuner. Matt@FSP, great tunes through email. Others, not so much. As long as they are going to look at logs and then adjust, that is no different than a dyno tune. __________________ Nick Corvette Z06 -1200ish rwhp

03-03-2016, 01:12 PM	#6
DaFisch Master Amateur Mechanic Drives: Victory Red 2011 2SS/RS Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: South Barrington, IL Posts: 1,719	some people on here do some good work with the order Tunes. I'd definitely do some research and try it out. They'll work with you too to dial it in correctly if they are reputable. __________________ 2011 Victory Red 22/RS Forged 418 Ls3 from Texas Speed, LSX heads from Texas Speed, Tick Turbo cam, Jakes/PCM/Billet 4l80e, 3200 Stall converter from Circle D, DSS 750 hp axles, DSS aluminum driveshaft, stock 3.23 gears, TSW Wheels Front 20x10 Rear 20x11.5, Fabberage Twin Turbo Supercharger Killer kit with Upgraded Turbos, Squash Dual fuel pump, Full BMR Suspension/bushings, Holly High Rise intake manifold, ID1300 Injectors, Megan Coilovers, PCM of NC plug and play trans kit. HP/TQ TBA

03-03-2016, 01:45 PM	#7
flyer08 Account Suspended Drives: 2010 2SS/RS Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 3,418	You won't have issues with a mail ordered tune if you can log afr and other data they need to see to make adjustments. Well, as long as they know what they are doing

03-03-2016, 01:55 PM	#8
camaro692 Drives: 2010 Camaro SS, G8 GT, HD FLHRX Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Greeley, CO Posts: 309	I am also in Colorado and looking for a good tuner for the AGP kit. Subscribed for ideas __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGP

03-03-2016, 04:05 PM	#9
1KillerSS Too much is never enough! Drives: AGP TT SS [COTW] 4/20/15 Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 4,149 View My Garage	+1 for Matt from FSP, he can get it dead on VIA email. He did mine. If you have an AFR gauge, best way to see what kind of power your leaving on the table is to tell us your AFR. That is one of the best way I know if to judge how a car is performing. __________________ AGP TT kit, 54/57 Forged rotating assembly, Custom grind cam... Dual nozzle meth, ID850's, Livernois dual fuel pumps, ECS BAP, 25% UDP, 3 inch Magnaflow catback with X pipe, Mantic 9000 clutch, DSS 1000hp axles, DSS aluminum driveshaft, ZL1 rear end, solid subframe bushings, HE differential offset bushings, BMR Trailing arm, BMR toe rods, Lingenfelter LNC-2000,SJM Line Lock. 747 whp 714wtq *Build thread* http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...55#post8107855

03-03-2016, 09:34 PM	#10
Moreair1 Drives: 2011 ss convertible Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,329 View My Garage	What all did Matt from fsp need to do your email tune? and is it an issue that I have the standard hp tuner? __________________ Cai intake and a few other mods😎

03-04-2016, 12:08 AM	#13
Moreair1 Drives: 2011 ss convertible Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,329 View My Garage	Ok thank you I have been pondering on upgrading my hp tuner for two reasons, one so I could data log and the second being so I could learn some about tuning __________________ Cai intake and a few other mods😎