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malscott · 06-06-2016, 01:23 PM

I've read countless threads and have been going back and forth over which brand would be best for the ecs kit, I can get a complete rx kit for under $300 which will take away the guesswork of adding components but reading some of these threads i see some guys dont use the rx on a centri setup they ususally go with mm or ee. I just want a simple, straightforward answer, so any help and knowledge will be greatly appreciated because im quite confused at this point.

Unreal · 06-06-2016, 01:33 PM

Contact Dave at mm and he can set you up and explain it all. I had a Rx can and ee can. Both did not work well and had major issues. Mm is the only setup that works and has been trouble free.

Elite Engineering · 06-06-2016, 06:39 PM

First off, one must understand all that is involved in proper crankcase evacuation and air/oil separation on a centri blower or turbo application, and then they can see it is impossible for a Mighty Mouse (MM) Catch Can (not to mention they are NOT a supporting vendor paying so this site can be here for all) to properly provide all of this. The MM vents pressure AFTER it is already been allowed to form/build in the crankcase, and then it is always allowing pressure to be present as it takes greater pressure behind the breather/vent to force pressure out. This is NEVER good. Your piston rings are designed to seal and maintain stability with suction below them, and pressure above. Any time you allow pressure to be present the rings become unstable and ring flutter will cause damage and wear over time as well as allowing excessive blow-by past. NEVER good with a forced induction application as there is always greater blow-by to deal with in the first place.

Second, just search and see those that have had excessive ingestion from their cleanside adapter going into the inlet of the turbo/centri unit. Liquid cannot compress, and taking the risk of hydro-lock is crazy when there are systems that properly deal with all of this.

Third, the MM systems are NOT legal in any State in the US (or most countries) as they vent crankcase vapors to the atmosphere.

Fourth, With the concern about warranties (grounds to void with most any FI system, but even on a stock engine) the MM defeats, deletes, and opens the PCV system to the atmosphere and IS legitimate grounds to void a warranty. Read the EPA rules. All ELITE systems are emissions compliant.

Fifth, The Elite E2 and E2-X systems trap as much as twice what the MM does. Want to see this proven? Simply install the E2 or E2-X can inline AFTER the MM can and drive 1-2,000 miles capturing all that is drained from each and then do the same test in reverse, with the E2-X first, and the MM second inline and see how much more effective the E2-X (or E2) systems are than ANY other air/oil separating catchcan system. When a person see's this first hand, there is no debate. It is clear and accurate and fair as the test is done both ways for the same amount of driving.

Knowing this, why would anyone risk their engine with a inferior solution?

Here is how the Elite E2-X or E2 system with dual checkvalves works:

The systems use both the intake manifold for evacuation suction on the crankcase when in non-boost operating mode, and the centri/turbo inlet suction for when it is in boost. The low cracking billet checkvalves will automatically open and close as needed to ALWAYS utilize the strongest suction source for proper crankcase evacuation. Here are diagrams from Turbonetics, one of the largest, most respected Turbocharger company's in the US:

The engineer at Turbonetics has stated the following:

"we collect less and less nasty stuff, but the inside of the intake manifold is bone dry. The catch can is working perfectly!
The turbo seems happy as well thus far, meaning we are not pressurizing the crank case under WOT and there is enough suction to keep it that way."

And they have tested most systems out there.

The Elite Billet cleanside separator provides a baffled coalescing media chamber for the cleanside to ensure at no time can oil be ingested via the cleanside, and as the E2-X and E2-X Ultra (and the E2 if you order the checkvalves as an option) always are evacuating/pulling suction on the crankcase so pressure never builds. There is no closer functioning systems to a belt driven vacuum pump than these period.

So, as the ECS, A&A, Procharger, Vortech systems all pressurize the intake manifold with boost, installing an improper system is a risk all around, and over time, as a vented system is not removing the damaging contaminates from the crankcase, they quickly settle and mix with the engine oil and accelerate internal wear.

NO Company has done more engineering and R&D on all applications from daily drivers to monster boost builds, and everything in between. Especially on forced induction applications and today's new direct injection engines.

Have doubts? Take the "Elite Engineering Challenge" and see for yourself. No hype, no BS, just factual results that YOU see first hand. You will never look at your "catchcan" the same way again. Contact us for details on ANY application. The most effective in air/oil separation, crankcase evacuation, and eliminating crankcase pressure catchcan systems on the market period.

Do it once, do it right, Elite Engineering USA.

Johnnyrod · 06-06-2016, 07:00 PM

Ive got an ecs kit. MM catch can is what i narrowed down to. looks good too

Yeager1990 · 06-07-2016, 01:04 AM

Mighty mouse

malscott · 06-07-2016, 01:44 AM

anybody willing to do a write up that extensive must really stand behind their product, lol i haven't heard anything necessarily bad about the ee system, but it seems most guys always choose the mm over ee (as seen above) and i was just wondering why. Most ive read is that ppl could never get the ee or rx systems to function correctly. Could this be installer error?

realcanuk · 06-07-2016, 08:14 AM

Have used both Elite and MM. Elite has prettier marketing, but I switched to what just flat out works best.

Unreal · 06-07-2016, 08:20 AM

Ran an elite, had seal issues. Swapped to MM, zero issues. There is a reason almost all the big power people are running MM.

A lot of what he wrote is nothing more than marketing fluff, or pure BS.

SingleT · 06-07-2016, 10:11 AM

Hell of a sales post......

malscott · 06-07-2016, 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SingleT

Hell of a sales post......

agreed lmao

sscamaro · 06-07-2016, 12:30 PM

I installed the EE catch can on my SS after installing the E-Force S/C. It has worked perfectly for 5.5 years and never had a seal problem.

Elite Engineering · 06-07-2016, 08:22 PM

Just an observation, but nobody pushing the MM has given details on how you think it is working, yet we (Elite Engineering) have gone into great detail. Yes, we always have stood behind all of our products. But back to understanding proper crankcase evacuation, can anyone please explain how allowing crankcase pressure to build and vent (which allows pressure to always be present) is better than pulling evacuation suction at all times?

Also, as the MM traps only a fraction of what enters it and much of the oil and other contaminates pass through to still be ingested is better than stopping 95% plus of this?

It is easy to post "it works" w/out going into any technical detail as we have, so why not explain in detail to all trying to learn? The 2 main shortcomings listed should be enough....so how about going into detail instead of "it works".

Also, the E2, E2-X and E2-X Ultra are designed specifically for Turbo or centri applications. Furthermore, we go into great detail in our first response here on how and why, and also challenge anyone w/a MM can to perform the simple "challenge" and see first hand how poorly it performs in comparison.

Very easy to just flood a thread with "Because I said so", but the actual science and engineering of it all is what matters. Anyone wondering on what system is best and why, just re-read our first post in this thread carefully. It is your engine, and the possible damage will not be evident by doing it wrong until down the road in most cases, and then it is too late.

Ask anyone running our E2, E2-X or E2-X Ultra systems and see what they say:

These people go into great detail as well:

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9049683#post9049683

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=434666&highlight=Elite+Ultra+syst em

Just look at the pictures of the internals of the MM VS the Elite E2-X.

Listing the details of function, the how and why, and more is not marketing, it is education. NO other company out there has gone to the extent we have to take everything into consideration in the proper designs and different systems to every application a street car needs.

Go back and read our first post, and then these 2 thread links and understand all that needs to be addressed on a centrifugal SC or Turbo system. No "backyard" shop selling what they "think" is correct, Elite Engineering has on staff actual Engineers, from Mechanical to Automotive. We have a state-of-the art manufacturing facility here, we own. From design to end product, quality and function second to none. And we don’t just state "Because I think it works", we explain every detail of how and why.

fif_gen_powa · 06-07-2016, 09:17 PM

I've been skeptical of how effective my MM can actually is, it barely catches anything inside, before I was turbocharged I ran an elite can that I was always having to empty every month or two

just my .02 cents...

blake-b · 06-07-2016, 09:25 PM

I had an RX and was pushing oil out of the rear seal under boost. It was the Monster can made for 1200hp vehicles. Everything was installed correctly as confirmed by RX. I put on a MM can. No more oil leaks. That is what sold me on them and why I continue to run one. I am not subject to emissions testing in my area so I am not concerned with that.

06-06-2016, 01:23 PM	#1
malscott Drives: 2012 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: south ga Posts: 140	Best catch can for ecs setup I've read countless threads and have been going back and forth over which brand would be best for the ecs kit, I can get a complete rx kit for under $300 which will take away the guesswork of adding components but reading some of these threads i see some guys dont use the rx on a centri setup they ususally go with mm or ee. I just want a simple, straightforward answer, so any help and knowledge will be greatly appreciated because im quite confused at this point.

06-06-2016, 01:33 PM	#2
Unreal Drives: 2006 Z06 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 5,712	Contact Dave at mm and he can set you up and explain it all. I had a Rx can and ee can. Both did not work well and had major issues. Mm is the only setup that works and has been trouble free. __________________ Nick Corvette Z06 -1200ish rwhp

06-06-2016, 07:00 PM	#4
Johnnyrod Drives: 2010 ecs SS Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Ca Posts: 34	Ive got an ecs kit. MM catch can is what i narrowed down to. looks good too __________________ 2010 M6, Ecs Novi 1500, BTR Cam, Zl1 driveline, Rxt Clutch, M/T Et street S/S

06-07-2016, 01:04 AM	#5
Yeager1990 Drives: 2012 2ss/rs L99 Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Southern illinois Posts: 167	Mighty mouse __________________ 2012 2ss/rs L99 Agp twin turbo 51/61 full 3 inch stainless works retro chambered catback Tuning by Greg Adams

06-07-2016, 08:14 AM	#7
realcanuk Drives: 2007 Corvette C6 983 RWHP Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 690	Have used both Elite and MM. Elite has prettier marketing, but I switched to what just flat out works best. __________________ 2007 C6 vert, auto, F55, LT3 LME LS402 , WCCH 245 Heads, Pat G. Custom cam YSI / 3.0 pulley, ARH 1 7/8 headers, NPP Dewitts / dual spals, A&A dual pump fuel system. 3.42 polished gears, hardened shafts, Alky control meth, Cartech line lock, ECS axle loops, Trans brace, 6L80 built by me. ID 1000 injectors, comp rockers, Morel lifters, BT springs, Trend 3/8 pushrods, ATI 10% OD Damper Circle D Triple Disc stall 1009 RWHP @ 7000, 817 RWTQ @ 6000,

06-06-2016, 06:39 PM	#3
Elite Engineering Drives: 2010 Camaro Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Denver Posts: 1,383	First off, one must understand all that is involved in proper crankcase evacuation and air/oil separation on a centri blower or turbo application, and then they can see it is impossible for a Mighty Mouse (MM) Catch Can (not to mention they are NOT a supporting vendor paying so this site can be here for all) to properly provide all of this. The MM vents pressure AFTER it is already been allowed to form/build in the crankcase, and then it is always allowing pressure to be present as it takes greater pressure behind the breather/vent to force pressure out. This is NEVER good. Your piston rings are designed to seal and maintain stability with suction below them, and pressure above. Any time you allow pressure to be present the rings become unstable and ring flutter will cause damage and wear over time as well as allowing excessive blow-by past. NEVER good with a forced induction application as there is always greater blow-by to deal with in the first place. Second, just search and see those that have had excessive ingestion from their cleanside adapter going into the inlet of the turbo/centri unit. Liquid cannot compress, and taking the risk of hydro-lock is crazy when there are systems that properly deal with all of this. Third, the MM systems are NOT legal in any State in the US (or most countries) as they vent crankcase vapors to the atmosphere. Fourth, With the concern about warranties (grounds to void with most any FI system, but even on a stock engine) the MM defeats, deletes, and opens the PCV system to the atmosphere and IS legitimate grounds to void a warranty. Read the EPA rules. All ELITE systems are emissions compliant. Fifth, The Elite E2 and E2-X systems trap as much as twice what the MM does. Want to see this proven? Simply install the E2 or E2-X can inline AFTER the MM can and drive 1-2,000 miles capturing all that is drained from each and then do the same test in reverse, with the E2-X first, and the MM second inline and see how much more effective the E2-X (or E2) systems are than ANY other air/oil separating catchcan system. When a person see's this first hand, there is no debate. It is clear and accurate and fair as the test is done both ways for the same amount of driving. Knowing this, why would anyone risk their engine with a inferior solution? Here is how the Elite E2-X or E2 system with dual checkvalves works: The systems use both the intake manifold for evacuation suction on the crankcase when in non-boost operating mode, and the centri/turbo inlet suction for when it is in boost. The low cracking billet checkvalves will automatically open and close as needed to ALWAYS utilize the strongest suction source for proper crankcase evacuation. Here are diagrams from Turbonetics, one of the largest, most respected Turbocharger company's in the US: The engineer at Turbonetics has stated the following: "we collect less and less nasty stuff, but the inside of the intake manifold is bone dry. The catch can is working perfectly! The turbo seems happy as well thus far, meaning we are not pressurizing the crank case under WOT and there is enough suction to keep it that way." And they have tested most systems out there. The Elite Billet cleanside separator provides a baffled coalescing media chamber for the cleanside to ensure at no time can oil be ingested via the cleanside, and as the E2-X and E2-X Ultra (and the E2 if you order the checkvalves as an option) always are evacuating/pulling suction on the crankcase so pressure never builds. There is no closer functioning systems to a belt driven vacuum pump than these period. So, as the ECS, A&A, Procharger, Vortech systems all pressurize the intake manifold with boost, installing an improper system is a risk all around, and over time, as a vented system is not removing the damaging contaminates from the crankcase, they quickly settle and mix with the engine oil and accelerate internal wear. NO Company has done more engineering and R&D on all applications from daily drivers to monster boost builds, and everything in between. Especially on forced induction applications and today's new direct injection engines. Have doubts? Take the "Elite Engineering Challenge" and see for yourself. No hype, no BS, just factual results that YOU see first hand. You will never look at your "catchcan" the same way again. Contact us for details on ANY application. The most effective in air/oil separation, crankcase evacuation, and eliminating crankcase pressure catchcan systems on the market period. Do it once, do it right, Elite Engineering USA.

06-07-2016, 01:44 AM	#6
malscott Drives: 2012 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: south ga Posts: 140	anybody willing to do a write up that extensive must really stand behind their product, lol i haven't heard anything necessarily bad about the ee system, but it seems most guys always choose the mm over ee (as seen above) and i was just wondering why. Most ive read is that ppl could never get the ee or rx systems to function correctly. Could this be installer error?

06-07-2016, 08:20 AM	#8
Unreal Drives: 2006 Z06 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 5,712	Ran an elite, had seal issues. Swapped to MM, zero issues. There is a reason almost all the big power people are running MM. A lot of what he wrote is nothing more than marketing fluff, or pure BS. __________________ Nick Corvette Z06 -1200ish rwhp

06-07-2016, 10:11 AM	#9
SingleT Drives: 2015 2SS Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: LA Posts: 155	Hell of a sales post......

06-07-2016, 12:30 PM	#11
sscamaro Drives: 2010 2SS, 2017 Silverado LTZ Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Denver,PA Posts: 3,195 View My Garage	I installed the EE catch can on my SS after installing the E-Force S/C. It has worked perfectly for 5.5 years and never had a seal problem.

06-07-2016, 08:22 PM	#12
Elite Engineering Drives: 2010 Camaro Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Denver Posts: 1,383	Just an observation, but nobody pushing the MM has given details on how you think it is working, yet we (Elite Engineering) have gone into great detail. Yes, we always have stood behind all of our products. But back to understanding proper crankcase evacuation, can anyone please explain how allowing crankcase pressure to build and vent (which allows pressure to always be present) is better than pulling evacuation suction at all times? Also, as the MM traps only a fraction of what enters it and much of the oil and other contaminates pass through to still be ingested is better than stopping 95% plus of this? It is easy to post "it works" w/out going into any technical detail as we have, so why not explain in detail to all trying to learn? The 2 main shortcomings listed should be enough....so how about going into detail instead of "it works". Also, the E2, E2-X and E2-X Ultra are designed specifically for Turbo or centri applications. Furthermore, we go into great detail in our first response here on how and why, and also challenge anyone w/a MM can to perform the simple "challenge" and see first hand how poorly it performs in comparison. Very easy to just flood a thread with "Because I said so", but the actual science and engineering of it all is what matters. Anyone wondering on what system is best and why, just re-read our first post in this thread carefully. It is your engine, and the possible damage will not be evident by doing it wrong until down the road in most cases, and then it is too late. Ask anyone running our E2, E2-X or E2-X Ultra systems and see what they say: These people go into great detail as well: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9049683#post9049683 http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=434666&highlight=Elite+Ultra+syst em Just look at the pictures of the internals of the MM VS the Elite E2-X. Listing the details of function, the how and why, and more is not marketing, it is education. NO other company out there has gone to the extent we have to take everything into consideration in the proper designs and different systems to every application a street car needs. Go back and read our first post, and then these 2 thread links and understand all that needs to be addressed on a centrifugal SC or Turbo system. No "backyard" shop selling what they "think" is correct, Elite Engineering has on staff actual Engineers, from Mechanical to Automotive. We have a state-of-the art manufacturing facility here, we own. From design to end product, quality and function second to none. And we don’t just state "Because I think it works", we explain every detail of how and why.

06-07-2016, 09:17 PM	#13
fif_gen_powa Drives: 2013 Camaro SS Turbo Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: South Florida Posts: 1,525	I've been skeptical of how effective my MM can actually is, it barely catches anything inside, before I was turbocharged I ran an elite can that I was always having to empty every month or two just my .02 cents... __________________ 388ci 91/104 Turbo TH400 8.3@164 https://instagram.com/turbo_ls3/

06-07-2016, 09:25 PM	#14
blake-b Drives: 2009 ZR1 Join Date: May 2010 Location: KCMO Posts: 3,205	I had an RX and was pushing oil out of the rear seal under boost. It was the Monster can made for 1200hp vehicles. Everything was installed correctly as confirmed by RX. I put on a MM can. No more oil leaks. That is what sold me on them and why I continue to run one. I am not subject to emissions testing in my area so I am not concerned with that.