Zaino more polish than protectant ? - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

calflan · 11-28-2009, 05:10 PM

Took delivery of my Imperial Blue Metallic car July 22, 2009.
Did NOT get any dealer protective coating applied to the car, as my understanding was that these applications are just dealer added expense and not really worth the application. That and I relied my own elbow grease with polish to care for paint.

2 days after I took delivery of my car, I spent a day Zaino'ing the car. Followed instructions - washed with Dawn, Claybared (got VERY little off the claybar), washed with Z-7, applied a coat of Z-5, then Z-2, then Z-5, then Z-2. Did not use ZFX for each first coat of Z-2 and Z-5 but waited approx. 1.5 hrs before removing in 85+ degree day. Used ZFX in second coat of eachg Z-5 and Z-2.

I have washed the car at least once a week since and towel dry each time, using Z-7 wash every time. The car is garaged every night and is a daily driver.

About 2 months after I got it, I applied a spray coat of Z-6 then Z-2 again.

Today I washed and again with Z-7 and allowed some time for air dry before towel drying (usually dry with one towel, get the heavy water off, then again with another dry towel to get residual off) - today did not, but allowed about 10 -15 minutes air before towel drying. Then I applied a coat of Z-5 then a coat of Z-2, each with ZFX. Temp today approx. 65 degrees.

Seems there are a fair amount of embedded water spots in the paint on the hood, etc. You have to look hard for them, but in a garage light, can see if look close.

Usually when I drive in the rain, the water beads up real nice on the paint making me believe it is as all other polish / wax's I have used - protecting teh paint.

No reason there should be any spots after the amount of polish applied within a 4 month period and the TLC this paint has had. Starting to feel a bit dispappointed in Zaino product after seeing this.

Is Zaino meant to be more a show car polish and less a daily driver protective 'wax' type coating ? If so, maybe it should be pointed out when people buy and expect a protective polish. If not, ideas on why I am seeing what I am seeing and how to remove ? I suppose if need be I could claybar again, but sure as he&& should not have to so soon.

tones2SS · 11-28-2009, 05:20 PM

You may have done something wrong?

I use Zaino on both the Camaro and the truck. (The Camaro never leaves the garage so I can't comment on that vehicle.) But, my truck is my daily driver and beads up pretty much all winter long. Zaino seems to last a long time for me.

NAHURRY · 11-28-2009, 07:20 PM

http://www.autopia.org/forum/car-det...ter-spots.html

Poster #4 seems to be saying the same..BTW My car is never been rained on and I
dry it as soon as I finish washing, so no water spots for me yet with Zaino

NAHURRY · 11-28-2009, 07:30 PM

http://www.autopia.org/forum/car-det...-problems.html

Read post # 7.... it does makes sence what he's saying..But again, I love
Zaino.. So far no issues, been using for 4 months now and seems to be
a great sealant.

calflan · 11-28-2009, 07:53 PM

VERY interesting NAHURRY, thanks alot.
Seems the darker colors show the spots that others amy no. Makes sense.
I wish I had'nt relied on Zaino so much though. Only way I can see to get rid of the spots, especially since they now have Z-2 and Z-5 over them, is to claybar again and start from scratch, unless I read wrong and the spots can be removed as is with one of the products discussed in the other forum.

Moose · 11-29-2009, 01:16 PM

calflan,

IS there a possibility these water spots were present when you picked you car up from the dealer?

I've used Zaino for about 15 years, and IMO, it offers the best durability, and great protection. Every car I have detailed with Zaino has had water beeding after washing, etc., far longer than on cars on which Zaino was not used.

Zaino offers a product called ZPC Fusion which you can use on the water spots.

I honestly do not believe the water spots are a result of Zaino being an inferior polish.

Ed

calflan · 11-29-2009, 05:36 PM

Ed, thank you for your input. Please excuse the long winded response.
I cannot say absolutely that spots were not there when I took delivery, but I will say, they were not anywhere near as noticeable as they are now. I do not believe they were there and when I spent the time I did with the original applications, I definitely would've noticed what I am seeing now.

Today, I looked at the car in the daylight and the spots looked much less obvious, but even at certain angles, they are visible. About dusk tonight when a street light reflected off the hood, there were quite a few spots that definitely were not there when I bought the car.

Given the care and dedication to the Zaino product for the care of this paint, I am quite disappointed with the lack of durability. I was very excited when I got the Zaino and the luster it provides, but I really believe it is a show polish for cars not meant to be exposed to the elements on a daily basis. It is likley more for a car that spends more than the average time being pampered for shows and display.

I have also read a few posts regarding other Zaino products that take care of spotting in addition to the package I have, but I have little interest in spending more, on top of the original $80+ I spent, to get what I felt I should have been provided orginally.
If this product were outlined a 'show polish' and not necessarily able to withstand day to day elements, I likley would've looked at other products. We have used Meguiars for years on our other cars and not noticed the same outcome I have now - on Burgundy, Navy and Black paint jobs.

I'm quite disappointed and am somewhat convinced I did not induce this result with improper application or care.

I welcome more input. Thanks.

the rich dude · 11-29-2009, 06:33 PM

I use Zanio on my wifes daily driven kept outside Chevy Equinox and it provides protection for at least 6 months of abuse. Doesn't water spot and bird crap just comes right off with a water hose and no wiping.

Its definitely not just for "show cars"

Moose · 11-29-2009, 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by calflan

Ed, thank you for your input. Please excuse the long winded response.
I cannot say absolutely that spots were not there when I took delivery, but I will say, they were not anywhere near as noticeable as they are now. I do not believe they were there and when I spent the time I did with the original applications, I definitely would've noticed what I am seeing now.

Today, I looked at the car in the daylight and the spots looked much less obvious, but even at certain angles, they are visible. About dusk tonight when a street light reflected off the hood, there were quite a few spots that definitely were not there when I bought the car.

Given the care and dedication to the Zaino product for the care of this paint, I am quite disappointed with the lack of durability. I was very excited when I got the Zaino and the luster it provides, but I really believe it is a show polish for cars not meant to be exposed to the elements on a daily basis. It is likley more for a car that spends more than the average time being pampered for shows and display.

I have also read a few posts regarding other Zaino products that take care of spotting in addition to the package I have, but I have little interest in spending more, on top of the original $80+ I spent, to get what I felt I should have been provided orginally.
If this product were outlined a 'show polish' and not necessarily able to withstand day to day elements, I likley would've looked at other products. We have used Meguiars for years on our other cars and not noticed the same outcome I have now - on Burgundy, Navy and Black paint jobs.

I'm quite disappointed and am somewhat convinced I did not induce this result with improper application or care.

I welcome more input. Thanks.

Glad to help.

But I have to say, you're the first person who's had a problem with Zaino's durability. I'm not trying to imply you're opinion is wrong, misguided, etc., but in all my experiences using Zaino, it has held up far better than some of the other products I've used. Also, when I used my SS as my "daily driver", Zaino made cleanup, maintenance, etc., far easier. I use it on my Jeep, which see's all types of conditions, and I have to say, for an '04 with over 105K, it looks like new.

I forgot to ask; is your car completely cool to the touch before washing?

As I said, I respect your opinions, and I'm not trying to argue. I'm just disappointed that Zaino isn't working for you.

But as you said, Meguires is also a very good product. I hope it works out for you, ie; taking care of the swirl marks.

If I can be of any help, please let me know.

Ed

calflan · 11-29-2009, 11:05 PM

Ed, look at the links NAHURRY posted. Apparently others have seen the same issue.

Yes, always cool to touch and I usually dry with a towell and get heavy water off first, then come back while still wet and get remainder.

I don't get it, but have your cars all been lighter color or some dark ?

the rich dude · 11-30-2009, 12:24 AM

My wifes Equinox is a dark charcoal metallic. And I've done all my washign and Zanioing in the sun and the paint was HOT

Sometime took a little extra elbow grease to get the Zanio off because of the heat but always perfect shine and never water spotting.

HzMajesty · 11-30-2009, 03:05 AM

black car = every imperfection magnified X1000... good for the perfectionist, bad for your blood pressure!

why leave the car wet 15 minutes before drying (or did i read it wrong)? i had water spots develop as quickly as 5 minutes after washing! best way to do it without spotting is to wash and dry the car by body panels, or sections. Even better way is to do that and use clean filtered water rather than tap/hose to wash your car (sounds obsessive but it actually makes a difference to the paint & clear coat).

Ive used zaino for 5 years and have shared your frustration on the dark colors. Not much u can do except redo... but the result is WELL worth it!

Al Robinson · 11-30-2009, 07:54 AM

Waterspots are mearly mineral deposits in the water in the area you live. If you had left the water on longer than you should or washed it in the sun, you can get waterspots. It's not Zaino's fault. Deposits can form anywhere and are easy to remove. In a spray bottle mix half with distilled water and half with white vinagar. Spray on and wipe off. This should remove the water spots and not harm the Zaino finish. The water spot cure was posted in this section before.

Al Robinson · 11-30-2009, 08:06 AM

Here this should help.

How to Eliminate Water Spots.doc

11-28-2009, 05:10 PM	#1
calflan Drives: 1LT; IBM; 6 Spd Manual Join Date: May 2009 Location: Heath, Tx. Posts: 499	Zaino more polish than protectant - less durable ? Took delivery of my Imperial Blue Metallic car July 22, 2009. Did NOT get any dealer protective coating applied to the car, as my understanding was that these applications are just dealer added expense and not really worth the application. That and I relied my own elbow grease with polish to care for paint. 2 days after I took delivery of my car, I spent a day Zaino'ing the car. Followed instructions - washed with Dawn, Claybared (got VERY little off the claybar), washed with Z-7, applied a coat of Z-5, then Z-2, then Z-5, then Z-2. Did not use ZFX for each first coat of Z-2 and Z-5 but waited approx. 1.5 hrs before removing in 85+ degree day. Used ZFX in second coat of eachg Z-5 and Z-2. I have washed the car at least once a week since and towel dry each time, using Z-7 wash every time. The car is garaged every night and is a daily driver. About 2 months after I got it, I applied a spray coat of Z-6 then Z-2 again. Today I washed and again with Z-7 and allowed some time for air dry before towel drying (usually dry with one towel, get the heavy water off, then again with another dry towel to get residual off) - today did not, but allowed about 10 -15 minutes air before towel drying. Then I applied a coat of Z-5 then a coat of Z-2, each with ZFX. Temp today approx. 65 degrees. Seems there are a fair amount of embedded water spots in the paint on the hood, etc. You have to look hard for them, but in a garage light, can see if look close. Usually when I drive in the rain, the water beads up real nice on the paint making me believe it is as all other polish / wax's I have used - protecting teh paint. No reason there should be any spots after the amount of polish applied within a 4 month period and the TLC this paint has had. Starting to feel a bit dispappointed in Zaino product after seeing this. Is Zaino meant to be more a show car polish and less a daily driver protective 'wax' type coating ? If so, maybe it should be pointed out when people buy and expect a protective polish. If not, ideas on why I am seeing what I am seeing and how to remove ? I suppose if need be I could claybar again, but sure as he&& should not have to so soon. __________________ 1LT; Airaid CAI; Flowmaster American Thunder Axelback; Int Floor Lts; RS Spoiler; Radio Controls; Sequential tail lights; Oil Catch Can; VMAX Throttle Body; MACE plenum spacer; Mace manifold insulator[/I] Last edited by calflan; 11-29-2009 at 05:40 PM.

11-28-2009, 07:20 PM	#3
NAHURRY Love's to Detail Drives: 2010 SS,97silverado/08crewcab Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Greenville SC. Posts: 1,421	http://www.autopia.org/forum/car-det...ter-spots.html Poster #4 seems to be saying the same..BTW My car is never been rained on and I dry it as soon as I finish washing, so no water spots for me yet with Zaino Last edited by NAHURRY; 11-28-2009 at 07:31 PM.

11-28-2009, 07:53 PM	#5
calflan Drives: 1LT; IBM; 6 Spd Manual Join Date: May 2009 Location: Heath, Tx. Posts: 499	VERY interesting NAHURRY, thanks alot. Seems the darker colors show the spots that others amy no. Makes sense. I wish I had'nt relied on Zaino so much though. Only way I can see to get rid of the spots, especially since they now have Z-2 and Z-5 over them, is to claybar again and start from scratch, unless I read wrong and the spots can be removed as is with one of the products discussed in the other forum. __________________ 1LT; Airaid CAI; Flowmaster American Thunder Axelback; Int Floor Lts; RS Spoiler; Radio Controls; Sequential tail lights; Oil Catch Can; VMAX Throttle Body; MACE plenum spacer; Mace manifold insulator[/I]

11-29-2009, 05:36 PM	#7
calflan Drives: 1LT; IBM; 6 Spd Manual Join Date: May 2009 Location: Heath, Tx. Posts: 499	Ed, thank you for your input. Please excuse the long winded response. I cannot say absolutely that spots were not there when I took delivery, but I will say, they were not anywhere near as noticeable as they are now. I do not believe they were there and when I spent the time I did with the original applications, I definitely would've noticed what I am seeing now. Today, I looked at the car in the daylight and the spots looked much less obvious, but even at certain angles, they are visible. About dusk tonight when a street light reflected off the hood, there were quite a few spots that definitely were not there when I bought the car. Given the care and dedication to the Zaino product for the care of this paint, I am quite disappointed with the lack of durability. I was very excited when I got the Zaino and the luster it provides, but I really believe it is a show polish for cars not meant to be exposed to the elements on a daily basis. It is likley more for a car that spends more than the average time being pampered for shows and display. I have also read a few posts regarding other Zaino products that take care of spotting in addition to the package I have, but I have little interest in spending more, on top of the original $80+ I spent, to get what I felt I should have been provided orginally. If this product were outlined a 'show polish' and not necessarily able to withstand day to day elements, I likley would've looked at other products. We have used Meguiars for years on our other cars and not noticed the same outcome I have now - on Burgundy, Navy and Black paint jobs. I'm quite disappointed and am somewhat convinced I did not induce this result with improper application or care. I welcome more input. Thanks. __________________ 1LT; Airaid CAI; Flowmaster American Thunder Axelback; Int Floor Lts; RS Spoiler; Radio Controls; Sequential tail lights; Oil Catch Can; VMAX Throttle Body; MACE plenum spacer; Mace manifold insulator[/I]

11-29-2009, 11:05 PM	#10
calflan Drives: 1LT; IBM; 6 Spd Manual Join Date: May 2009 Location: Heath, Tx. Posts: 499	Ed, look at the links NAHURRY posted. Apparently others have seen the same issue. Yes, always cool to touch and I usually dry with a towell and get heavy water off first, then come back while still wet and get remainder. I don't get it, but have your cars all been lighter color or some dark ? __________________ 1LT; Airaid CAI; Flowmaster American Thunder Axelback; Int Floor Lts; RS Spoiler; Radio Controls; Sequential tail lights; Oil Catch Can; VMAX Throttle Body; MACE plenum spacer; Mace manifold insulator[/I]

11-28-2009, 05:20 PM	#2
tones2SS Drives: '13 Roush S3 '16 Ram Sport 4X4 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 3,096	You may have done something wrong? I use Zaino on both the Camaro and the truck. (The Camaro never leaves the garage so I can't comment on that vehicle.) But, my truck is my daily driver and beads up pretty much all winter long. Zaino seems to last a long time for me.

11-28-2009, 07:30 PM	#4
NAHURRY Love's to Detail Drives: 2010 SS,97silverado/08crewcab Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Greenville SC. Posts: 1,421	http://www.autopia.org/forum/car-det...-problems.html Read post # 7.... it does makes sence what he's saying..But again, I love Zaino.. So far no issues, been using for 4 months now and seems to be a great sealant.

11-29-2009, 01:16 PM	#6
Moose Moderator Drives: '99 Camaro SS #1392 Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Newtown, Pa. Posts: 3,982	calflan, IS there a possibility these water spots were present when you picked you car up from the dealer? I've used Zaino for about 15 years, and IMO, it offers the best durability, and great protection. Every car I have detailed with Zaino has had water beeding after washing, etc., far longer than on cars on which Zaino was not used. Zaino offers a product called ZPC Fusion which you can use on the water spots. I honestly do not believe the water spots are a result of Zaino being an inferior polish. Ed

11-29-2009, 06:33 PM	#8
the rich dude Drives: Getting 2010 Camaro Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Vancouver Posts: 1,149	I use Zanio on my wifes daily driven kept outside Chevy Equinox and it provides protection for at least 6 months of abuse. Doesn't water spot and bird crap just comes right off with a water hose and no wiping. Its definitely not just for "show cars"

11-30-2009, 12:24 AM	#11
the rich dude Drives: Getting 2010 Camaro Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Vancouver Posts: 1,149	My wifes Equinox is a dark charcoal metallic. And I've done all my washign and Zanioing in the sun and the paint was HOT Sometime took a little extra elbow grease to get the Zanio off because of the heat but always perfect shine and never water spotting.

11-30-2009, 03:05 AM	#12
HzMajesty Drives: 2010 2SS/RS Blk/Blk Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: BAH Posts: 339 View My Garage	black car = every imperfection magnified X1000... good for the perfectionist, bad for your blood pressure! why leave the car wet 15 minutes before drying (or did i read it wrong)? i had water spots develop as quickly as 5 minutes after washing! best way to do it without spotting is to wash and dry the car by body panels, or sections. Even better way is to do that and use clean filtered water rather than tap/hose to wash your car (sounds obsessive but it actually makes a difference to the paint & clear coat). Ive used zaino for 5 years and have shared your frustration on the dark colors. Not much u can do except redo... but the result is WELL worth it!

11-30-2009, 07:54 AM	#13
Al Robinson RACKM Drives: 2001 Mazda MilleniaS Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Virginia Beach, Va. Posts: 160	Waterspots are mearly mineral deposits in the water in the area you live. If you had left the water on longer than you should or washed it in the sun, you can get waterspots. It's not Zaino's fault. Deposits can form anywhere and are easy to remove. In a spray bottle mix half with distilled water and half with white vinagar. Spray on and wipe off. This should remove the water spots and not harm the Zaino finish. The water spot cure was posted in this section before.

11-30-2009, 08:06 AM	#14
Al Robinson RACKM Drives: 2001 Mazda MilleniaS Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Virginia Beach, Va. Posts: 160	Here this should help. How to Eliminate Water Spots.doc

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