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hazy · 03-04-2019, 09:34 PM

hey all

I feel as if my chance to have some FI has possibly arrived. My financial house is in order, and my annual bonus from work was pretty generous.

I'm looking at different options, but had a question: my engine was built with an SC in mind. ERL 416 short block, low 10s compression, blower cam, and all the other bolt ons (heads, exhaust, cold air, etc...)

I'm exploring all my options - everything from a fat nitrous setup, whipple, procharger, but have only considered these three as viable because of my cam.

What impact would my blower cam have if I were to slap on a set of turbos? I believe it's a BTR stage 3 PD cam, but will never be able to verify unless it's pulled and measured- long story, but shop that built it would only ever tell me "custom blower spec cam" and this shop is now no longer in business, so it's a moot issue at this point.

Would it even be worth considering turbos? I am not shooting for ridiculous power at the moment - only looking for 700ish (I'm telling all shops that I talk to that I want somewhere in the 650-750whp range) this is absolutely doable with my motor, but I also want room to grow. A procharger and the right fuel setup would definitely get me there, but my understanding is that turbos are a bit more affordable on a "per HP" basis. I also want the ability to bump up the power later if I want, which a procharger would be great for, as (I think??) that I could just swap head units and add the necessary fuel, and be good to go. Turbos also offer this benefit, too...

I'm definitely leaning towards an SC just because that is what I'm currently set up for, but figured asking the pros here never hurt...what are yall's thoughts on this?

Appreciate any thoughts/opinions yall can offer up. Regardless of what direction I go, I am damn sure looking forward to more power. Been running around with this setup for 5 years now, and can't wait to have some gofast in my life, regardless of how it is manifested!

fif_gen_powa · 03-04-2019, 09:36 PM

I'm sorry, what was the question?

hazy · 03-04-2019, 09:40 PM

sorry...a bit of a ramble there - ultimate question:

what impact would a cam set up for a SC have if I slap on a set of turbos? I'm assuming it would not allow the max efficiency of the turbos, but if I don't want to swap cams, would I still be able to make solid power with turbos using a blower cam?

fif_gen_powa · 03-04-2019, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by hazy

sorry...a bit of a ramble there - ultimate question:

what impact would a cam set up for a SC have if I slap on a set of turbos? I'm assuming it would not allow the max efficiency of the turbos, but if I don't want to swap cams, would I still be able to make solid power with turbos using a blower cam?

If you only want 700 it will be fine. Buddy of mine had a big BTR stage 4 na Cam and threw turbo on it and somehow worked really good

ZZZTOPZZZ · 03-04-2019, 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hazy

sorry...a bit of a ramble there - ultimate question:

what impact would a cam set up for a SC have if I slap on a set of turbos? I'm assuming it would not allow the max efficiency of the turbos, but if I don't want to swap cams, would I still be able to make solid power with turbos using a blower cam?

Personally, I don't care for the turbo installation. I have a Procharger and if it is nothing else, it's nice and neat. I'm putting a cam in sometime this month. I was at the shop late last week and saw a Corvette that was being outfitted with a turbo setup. Pipes and tubes everywhere and I didn't care for it. Just my own personal observation and has nothing to do with the performance factor. Also, while it's tore down, think about getting your heads worked over.

mrimpala02 · 03-04-2019, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ZZZTOPZZZ

Personally, I don't care for the turbo installation. I have a Procharger and if it is nothing else, it's nice and neat. I'm putting a cam in sometime this month. I was at the shop late last week and saw a Corvette that was being outfitted with a turbo setup. Pipes and tubes everywhere and I didn't care for it. Just my own personal observation and has nothing to do with the performance factor. Also, while it's tore down, think about getting your heads worked over.

That's on a corvette. Extremely tight engine bay and basically no room for turbos so pipe routing kind of sucks. On the other hand a setup like AGP or Huron mid mount TT all you see is a charge pipe coming up from the intercooler. Most people only think I have a cold air intake if the intercooler showing through the grille or the turbo whistle once I start up the car.

mrimpala02 · 03-05-2019, 12:00 AM

OP,

I think you will be fine with you cam for a TT setup. As you already eluded to a centrifugal or TT would not be optimal with a PD cam. Will it allow to make 700-800 rwhp? You better believe it!

I would be more concerned with ensuring you have the proper fuel setup to deliver the power you want and once have absolutely decide to go all out on your engine then think about a cam switch. If you choose a TT setup you won't have to shell out extra money on a new head unit, but rather just adjust your boost controller. Done no extra money on that front at least.

I have had both a centrifugal setup and now TT setup. If I had to do it all over again I would have gone with TT from the jump and saved some cash for my fuel system. I'm in the Houston area so feel free to hit me up with you want to have a look at my setup.

hazy · 03-05-2019, 12:36 AM

Thanks for the commentary, happy to hear more if there are other thoughts, as well, for sure. Seems as if I can get where I want to be with turbos, only costing me a cam install later if I really want to crank it up (which is the ultimate goal, but who knows if I'll ever get there...2youngins and sometimes life happens, right?)

To address a few things-

Heads are already done, otherwise it would absolutely be on my list

Fuel - I'm planning on a Fore dual pump system. Seems to be the preference of all the shops here in town that I've chatted with, and it seems to have some pretty solid reviews in my years of reading. I'll probably also be going to an e85 setup to help me pass emissions, along with the increased safety net at higher power levels

Mrimpala- I greatly appreciate the offer, but I guess I need to update my stuff...I am no longer in Houston (did grow up in Katy, though!) I live in Denver now, so all the more reason for FI because this altitude has seriously dragged down my current NA setup hahah....I make it back to Houston a few times a year for business meetings and holidays with the family

Thanks all for the advice, and keep it coming if you think there's more to offer up- I'm all ears.

Batmanntexas · 03-05-2019, 06:49 AM

I think you'd be just fine with that cam. While it may not be optimal for a turbo setup, it won't limit your power production a significant amount, which could be overcome with a little more positive pressure

-Scott

JackLS1R1 · 03-05-2019, 07:49 AM

I have the TSP stage 1 PD blower cam. I swapped my Mag 2300 for Huron TT. I gained 102 RWHP and 140 RWTQ. I picked up 4 tenths and almost 12 MPH at the track.

I am sure the car would do even better with a specific spec turbo cam, but this TSP stage 1 PD blower cam is doing well I'd say.

jeff657756 · 03-05-2019, 07:55 AM

I left my big n/a cam in and went twin turbos / e85. Around 830whp @ 13 psi. You will be fine.

mrimpala02 · 03-05-2019, 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hazy

Thanks for the commentary, happy to hear more if there are other thoughts, as well, for sure. Seems as if I can get where I want to be with turbos, only costing me a cam install later if I really want to crank it up (which is the ultimate goal, but who knows if I'll ever get there...2youngins and sometimes life happens, right?)

To address a few things-

Heads are already done, otherwise it would absolutely be on my list

Fuel - I'm planning on a Fore dual pump system. Seems to be the preference of all the shops here in town that I've chatted with, and it seems to have some pretty solid reviews in my years of reading. I'll probably also be going to an e85 setup to help me pass emissions, along with the increased safety net at higher power levels

Mrimpala- I greatly appreciate the offer, but I guess I need to update my stuff...I am no longer in Houston (did grow up in Katy, though!) I live in Denver now, so all the more reason for FI because this altitude has seriously dragged down my current NA setup hahah....I make it back to Houston a few times a year for business meetings and holidays with the family

Thanks all for the advice, and keep it coming if you think there's more to offer up- I'm all ears.

Cool. I grew up in North Houston and moved to Katy after being away from the area for about 10 yrs.

If you live in Denver even more reason to go with turbos. Check out dreksot setup on here. He is making awesome power at altitude which as you may know will affect charge density quite a bit.

Moreair1 · 03-05-2019, 01:52 PM

Dreksnot does have a very good and fast build on a sbe, this year his car will be even more insane with his new lsx setup, but I also run a agp turbo car and with the altitude turbos work real well, but on that note a turbo set up will take more time and components to get the most out of it like a 2 step if your manual. Good suspension mods ect., also 700 wont be anything to hit with a agp kit

hazy · 03-06-2019, 10:43 AM

ok well I appreciate all the tips. Got some estimates back from the shop yesterday, and i think I'm going to go with a procharger. My decision now lies in a d1x or upgrade to the f1x for an incremental $350. I'm torn, but will probably go with the d1 just because I can't see myself wanting more than 800-900hp for a REALLY long time, and the d1 should be able to handle that pretty easily, from my understanding.

Thanks all for the tips. I gotta say this is kind of surreal, and I don't think I'll believe it until she's all buttoned up in my driveway. Hopefully that's sooner, rather than later!!

03-04-2019, 09:34 PM	#1
hazy Drives: 2011 2SS/RS Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: H-Town Posts: 1,037	blower cam with turbos hey all I feel as if my chance to have some FI has possibly arrived. My financial house is in order, and my annual bonus from work was pretty generous. I'm looking at different options, but had a question: my engine was built with an SC in mind. ERL 416 short block, low 10s compression, blower cam, and all the other bolt ons (heads, exhaust, cold air, etc...) I'm exploring all my options - everything from a fat nitrous setup, whipple, procharger, but have only considered these three as viable because of my cam. What impact would my blower cam have if I were to slap on a set of turbos? I believe it's a BTR stage 3 PD cam, but will never be able to verify unless it's pulled and measured- long story, but shop that built it would only ever tell me "custom blower spec cam" and this shop is now no longer in business, so it's a moot issue at this point. Would it even be worth considering turbos? I am not shooting for ridiculous power at the moment - only looking for 700ish (I'm telling all shops that I talk to that I want somewhere in the 650-750whp range) this is absolutely doable with my motor, but I also want room to grow. A procharger and the right fuel setup would definitely get me there, but my understanding is that turbos are a bit more affordable on a "per HP" basis. I also want the ability to bump up the power later if I want, which a procharger would be great for, as (I think??) that I could just swap head units and add the necessary fuel, and be good to go. Turbos also offer this benefit, too... I'm definitely leaning towards an SC just because that is what I'm currently set up for, but figured asking the pros here never hurt...what are yall's thoughts on this? Appreciate any thoughts/opinions yall can offer up. Regardless of what direction I go, I am damn sure looking forward to more power. Been running around with this setup for 5 years now, and can't wait to have some gofast in my life, regardless of how it is manifested!

03-04-2019, 09:36 PM	#2
fif_gen_powa Drives: 2013 Camaro SS Turbo Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: South Florida Posts: 1,525	I'm sorry, what was the question? __________________ 388ci 91/104 Turbo TH400 8.3@164 https://instagram.com/turbo_ls3/

03-05-2019, 12:00 AM	#7
mrimpala02 Drives: Black 2SS RS w/White Stripes Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Katy, TX Posts: 775	OP, I think you will be fine with you cam for a TT setup. As you already eluded to a centrifugal or TT would not be optimal with a PD cam. Will it allow to make 700-800 rwhp? You better believe it! I would be more concerned with ensuring you have the proper fuel setup to deliver the power you want and once have absolutely decide to go all out on your engine then think about a cam switch. If you choose a TT setup you won't have to shell out extra money on a new head unit, but rather just adjust your boost controller. Done no extra money on that front at least. I have had both a centrifugal setup and now TT setup. If I had to do it all over again I would have gone with TT from the jump and saved some cash for my fuel system. I'm in the Houston area so feel free to hit me up with you want to have a look at my setup. __________________ 2010 2SS/RS "ChriSStine": Pat G Custom Turbo CamMotion Camshaft \| AGP TT BB Garrett 62/65's \| AGP/Fore Triple Pumps \| ID1700X Injectors \| Alky Control Twin Nozzle Meth \| Custom 3" Exhaust \| 3.27 gear set w/ Tru Trac \| McLeod Twin RXT \| Barton Short Throw Shifter \| 6th Gen ZL1 Wheels \| BMR 1.4" drop springs \| Pfadt rear trailing arms & tie rods \| Installed by Me & Tuned by Pat G

03-05-2019, 06:49 AM	#9
Batmanntexas Drives: 2012 Camaro SS (2SS) Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Stafford, VA Posts: 1,403 View My Garage	I think you'd be just fine with that cam. While it may not be optimal for a turbo setup, it won't limit your power production a significant amount, which could be overcome with a little more positive pressure -Scott __________________ 745RWHP/634RWTQ on 93 @ 10psi 806/676 on E85 @ 10psi Currently @15-16psi.... COTW 9/8/14

03-05-2019, 07:49 AM	#10
JackLS1R1 Drives: 10 SS A6 Huron TT Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: New Baltimore MI Posts: 90	I have the TSP stage 1 PD blower cam. I swapped my Mag 2300 for Huron TT. I gained 102 RWHP and 140 RWTQ. I picked up 4 tenths and almost 12 MPH at the track. I am sure the car would do even better with a specific spec turbo cam, but this TSP stage 1 PD blower cam is doing well I'd say. __________________ 2010 2SS RS / A6 and Sunroof / Huron Speed TT / cam/ E85 fuel system / 3200 stall / SBE

03-04-2019, 09:40 PM	#3
hazy Drives: 2011 2SS/RS Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: H-Town Posts: 1,037	sorry...a bit of a ramble there - ultimate question: what impact would a cam set up for a SC have if I slap on a set of turbos? I'm assuming it would not allow the max efficiency of the turbos, but if I don't want to swap cams, would I still be able to make solid power with turbos using a blower cam?

03-05-2019, 12:36 AM	#8
hazy Drives: 2011 2SS/RS Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: H-Town Posts: 1,037	Thanks for the commentary, happy to hear more if there are other thoughts, as well, for sure. Seems as if I can get where I want to be with turbos, only costing me a cam install later if I really want to crank it up (which is the ultimate goal, but who knows if I'll ever get there...2youngins and sometimes life happens, right?) To address a few things- Heads are already done, otherwise it would absolutely be on my list Fuel - I'm planning on a Fore dual pump system. Seems to be the preference of all the shops here in town that I've chatted with, and it seems to have some pretty solid reviews in my years of reading. I'll probably also be going to an e85 setup to help me pass emissions, along with the increased safety net at higher power levels Mrimpala- I greatly appreciate the offer, but I guess I need to update my stuff...I am no longer in Houston (did grow up in Katy, though!) I live in Denver now, so all the more reason for FI because this altitude has seriously dragged down my current NA setup hahah....I make it back to Houston a few times a year for business meetings and holidays with the family Thanks all for the advice, and keep it coming if you think there's more to offer up- I'm all ears.

03-05-2019, 07:55 AM	#11
jeff657756 Drives: 2014 SS 1LE Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: United States Posts: 660	I left my big n/a cam in and went twin turbos / e85. Around 830whp @ 13 psi. You will be fine. __________________ https://instagram.com/jp_1le/

03-05-2019, 01:52 PM	#13
Moreair1 Drives: 2011 ss convertible Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,329 View My Garage	Dreksnot does have a very good and fast build on a sbe, this year his car will be even more insane with his new lsx setup, but I also run a agp turbo car and with the altitude turbos work real well, but on that note a turbo set up will take more time and components to get the most out of it like a 2 step if your manual. Good suspension mods ect., also 700 wont be anything to hit with a agp kit __________________ Cai intake and a few other mods😎

03-06-2019, 10:43 AM	#14
hazy Drives: 2011 2SS/RS Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: H-Town Posts: 1,037	ok well I appreciate all the tips. Got some estimates back from the shop yesterday, and i think I'm going to go with a procharger. My decision now lies in a d1x or upgrade to the f1x for an incremental $350. I'm torn, but will probably go with the d1 just because I can't see myself wanting more than 800-900hp for a REALLY long time, and the d1 should be able to handle that pretty easily, from my understanding. Thanks all for the tips. I gotta say this is kind of surreal, and I don't think I'll believe it until she's all buttoned up in my driveway. Hopefully that's sooner, rather than later!!