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oldman14ss · 10-22-2022, 09:52 PM

here goes with the woes. new build all the way through my tr 6060 everything that could be done carbon syncro's all thru. bronze shifter pads, cryo'ed shot peened , polished, tail shaft bearing, bronze cup some billet shifter parts that i would have to look at the reciept but you get the picture. mgw shifter new ram clutch. all shimmed and set up correctly. did the anti venom mod to the detent ball 1/8 inch shim. gm syncromesh fluid. my problem is getting into first from a dead stop and second gear also gotta cram it into gear. WHATS UP?????????? anybody have this problem?????? it was doing this before i sent it off not the rebuild. was going to send the shifter back to george at MGW to check for wear. been in car for 30k miles. is this normal? help! gen5 nation go to guys ! had bronze bushings made to replace the front ones on the transmission shifter no NV to speak of . ideas?? thanks in advance the old man......

bsn · 10-23-2022, 08:04 AM

Does it shift OK when not running? Sounds like a dragging or warped clutch.

fz4k98 · 10-23-2022, 09:10 AM

I have had my tr6060 proffessionally rebuilt and upgraded and have the mgw shifter too. I have hard shifting in 1st and 2nd gear and if i force it, it will grind some.

For me, the smooth shifting happens when I put consistent pressure but not forcing it on the shifter as it is going through the nuetral position toward a gear. If I use this method it will shift cold and warm without grinding. I tried this after watching a video on how synchros actually work and realized I was not giving the synchro time to do its job.

This method is way slower than i want but does smooth out things considerably for normal driving. I was going to shim the detent ball until i saw the video and thought it may contribute to the problem by speeding up my shifts again.

oldman14ss · 10-23-2022, 09:40 AM

Yes shifts smoothly. Cold and engine off.i have the highest hp single disc ram makes. I was anal about installing it. Pressure plate I turned each bolt a 1/4 turn at a time in the proper pattern. Called ram twice with measurements to make sure of clutch play it has a shudder if the RPM's are low. That's my fault. I raise ram according to negate the shudder. I have no grind shifting gets somewhat better when up to temp. It's sporadic. Change fluid? I hear ya bsn. Gosh I hope not. I'm older and larger than most people. I just went through this stuff in July. Lying on my back on concrete is a suck way to spend winter. Gets cold here in mo. It is what it is I guess. Fz4k98 I'm listening to you and I will go out here shortly and report my findings later on today. Gonna be low 80s today. Will take a 150 mile round trip to place a rose on mom's grave. Lots of curves on the road there. Going to try that trip. What transmission fluid do you guys use? I think I'll try that new tremec. I'm going to exhaust all options before I pull the transmission. I put my car up on jack stands after Thanksgiving anyway for the winter. Will just lift a little higher. Thanks the oldman..

bsn · 10-23-2022, 10:36 AM

You can try jacking the rear wheels off the ground, try turning the wheels while a helper pushes the clutch and puts it in first keeping the pedal pushed in. If you suddenly feel drag its your clutch or slave cylinder may have some air in it. If the drag is slight chances are bleeding or giving the clutch more time to break in will cure it. If its a severe drag you are going to be spending some time underneath.

ariZona28 · 10-23-2022, 11:33 AM

Maybe try installing the original shifter (if you still have it). Are there any adjustments on the MGW that you can tinker with? That would be extremely frustrating to go through all that time, effort and $$$ and have the problems you're experiencing.

oldman14ss · 10-24-2022, 01:10 PM

went for a long drive yesterday. visited my buddy thats ate up with agent orange, sad, very sad. cant breath, as big around as a stick, in hospice sitting waiting to die. enough sad lets get back to subject. intermintently hard to shift into first at a stop. bsn yes sir, i forgot about having the wheels off the ground. duh, dumb ol' me thats how i used to adjust my clutch on my 4th gen when i had it with the tick adjustable master cylinder. adjust it out just far enough so when the clutch is pushed in in gear the wheels dont turn. i get what youre saying and also it is true what you said that its just not broken in yet. i have babied it. with all the new stuff i did at once. ariZona28, good point, with the original shifter but when i took it out you have to take it all apart and with the way my garage is (slob) i really dont know where all the pieces are cause i thought i woundnt use it again. there are no adjustments on an MGW . i'll drive it more and do a few burn outs and break it in more. i'll jack up the rear and do what you say and check for drag then bleed it more i have the tick remote speed bleed. i''ll do that here in a couple days and let you all know. thanks again theoldman..

TheFlyingBananaSS · 10-24-2022, 03:05 PM

I would get the tushy up in the air and work that clutch.

oldman14ss · 10-24-2022, 06:10 PM

yeah banana, your right as rain. i'll get under it after the gym in the morning. its going to rain all day tomorow anyway. best test. i'm just like ugh! i'm hoping its ok.

TheFlyingBananaSS · 10-24-2022, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by oldman14ss

yeah banana, your right as rain. i'll get under it after the gym in the morning. its going to rain all day tomorow anyway. best test. i'm just like ugh! i'm hoping its ok.

Good luck man. Let us know what you find under there.

oldman14ss · 10-26-2022, 02:36 PM

wife won't help yesterday. got my daughter to help today. in 1st gear with clutch pedal pushed in NO CHANGE!! no drag spins freely like it was out of gear, checked it 4 times checked both wheels even though i have a trutrak. no difference. i'll check my mileage i dont think i have even 4k on the break-in. gonna run it till the temp stays under 40* degrees outside and see if it breaks in. then ill go from there. going to rebleed the clutch this weekend. before that going cruise it the next couple days. raining this weekend. any more suggestions feel free.

oldman14ss · 10-29-2022, 08:40 PM

checked my mileage today its only got 3038 miles on build . and i have my list in front of me that might cause it to be tight and require additional break miles. here goes:bronze fork pads, bronze turret bushing,bronze shift rail bushing, and billet interlock. dont know if these components have bearing on the hard shifts. that is why i posted the parts that i think might have bearing on my obstacle. stick guys chime in.

CamaroCracka · 10-30-2022, 12:00 PM

Not sure what a turret bushing is but I put a bronze isolator cup bushing in mine as well as all the same parts RPM and Tick use right down to the GForce 30 spline output shaft and billet yoke. The only time it ever had a problem shifting into first was when I put one of the discs for the Mantic double in backwards. I did not measure the slave/pressure plate clearance and thought I needed spacers, but after I took it apart clearance was in spec so I started looking at other things and that is when I figured out the disc next to the flywheel was in backwards.

I've never put a manual back in without measuring clearance since.

oldman14ss · 10-30-2022, 03:41 PM

yes, i measured everything and checked my measurements with ram twice. in spec. i made sure. i didnt want to lay on my back again till it is worn out, the clutch does disengage properly. im going to continue to put miles on it to see if it gets better. and after thanksgiving when it gets parked for the winter i'm going to pull the shifter and send it to george at MGW and have him evaluate it. to see if it is still in spec. not complaining i think MGW is the best shifter for these cars.

10-22-2022, 09:52 PM	#1
oldman14ss Drives: 2014 1ss camaro Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: missouri Posts: 706	shifting woes here goes with the woes. new build all the way through my tr 6060 everything that could be done carbon syncro's all thru. bronze shifter pads, cryo'ed shot peened , polished, tail shaft bearing, bronze cup some billet shifter parts that i would have to look at the reciept but you get the picture. mgw shifter new ram clutch. all shimmed and set up correctly. did the anti venom mod to the detent ball 1/8 inch shim. gm syncromesh fluid. my problem is getting into first from a dead stop and second gear also gotta cram it into gear. WHATS UP?????????? anybody have this problem?????? it was doing this before i sent it off not the rebuild. was going to send the shifter back to george at MGW to check for wear. been in car for 30k miles. is this normal? help! gen5 nation go to guys ! had bronze bushings made to replace the front ones on the transmission shifter no NV to speak of . ideas?? thanks in advance the old man......

10-23-2022, 11:33 AM	#6
ariZona28 Give speed a chance Drives: 2015 Camaro 2LS, 2015 Camaro Z/28 Join Date: Nov 2019 Location: Mesa, Az Posts: 2,798	Maybe try installing the original shifter (if you still have it). Are there any adjustments on the MGW that you can tinker with? That would be extremely frustrating to go through all that time, effort and $$$ and have the problems you're experiencing. __________________ 2LS: a TREMENDOUS machine. Z/28: it's a BIT MORE POWERFUL, of course.

10-24-2022, 03:05 PM	#8
TheFlyingBananaSS Evil Genius of Chevrolet Drives: 2017 Z06, 2019 XTS, 2013 SS Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: New York Posts: 3,262	I would get the tushy up in the air and work that clutch. __________________ GPI SS2 VVT cam, ECS Novi 1500 supercharger, Corsa Extreme, Detroit Speed and BMR suspension, Circle D triple disc, Melling oil pump, LS2 chain tensioner, ATI 10% UD, DSX E85 kit, High Energy coils, BTR springs, LS2 Lifter trays, Titanium retainers, hardened push rods, FIC 1000 injectors, ZL1 pump, Mighty Mouse catch can, AEM gauges, Tial BOV, Richmond 3.91 gears, Custom gauge bezels, Speed Engineering headers, Stainless Works HF cats, DSX Aux pump, 710rwhp on E85.

10-30-2022, 12:00 PM	#13
CamaroCracka Drives: 2010 Turbo LS3 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Palm Bay, FL Posts: 3,041	Not sure what a turret bushing is but I put a bronze isolator cup bushing in mine as well as all the same parts RPM and Tick use right down to the GForce 30 spline output shaft and billet yoke. The only time it ever had a problem shifting into first was when I put one of the discs for the Mantic double in backwards. I did not measure the slave/pressure plate clearance and thought I needed spacers, but after I took it apart clearance was in spec so I started looking at other things and that is when I figured out the disc next to the flywheel was in backwards. I've never put a manual back in without measuring clearance since. __________________ 2010 SS - Kind of an On3 kit, CTR 78/80, CompCam 239/251 620/632 122+4, E85, Z28 suspension and ZL1 diff with Outlaw axles. Gen6 ZL1 brakes. 2011 Vert - 416/w 230/236 .612/.602 115lsa, 1LE suspension w/32mm rear bar. Z28 diff. Gen6 ZL1 brakes.

10-23-2022, 08:04 AM	#2
bsn Drives: 2013 ZL1 Join Date: Sep 2021 Location: Virginia Posts: 469	Does it shift OK when not running? Sounds like a dragging or warped clutch.

10-23-2022, 09:10 AM	#3
fz4k98 Drives: 2013 1ss Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: WI. Posts: 569	I have had my tr6060 proffessionally rebuilt and upgraded and have the mgw shifter too. I have hard shifting in 1st and 2nd gear and if i force it, it will grind some. For me, the smooth shifting happens when I put consistent pressure but not forcing it on the shifter as it is going through the nuetral position toward a gear. If I use this method it will shift cold and warm without grinding. I tried this after watching a video on how synchros actually work and realized I was not giving the synchro time to do its job. This method is way slower than i want but does smooth out things considerably for normal driving. I was going to shim the detent ball until i saw the video and thought it may contribute to the problem by speeding up my shifts again.

10-23-2022, 09:40 AM	#4
oldman14ss Drives: 2014 1ss camaro Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: missouri Posts: 706	Yes shifts smoothly. Cold and engine off.i have the highest hp single disc ram makes. I was anal about installing it. Pressure plate I turned each bolt a 1/4 turn at a time in the proper pattern. Called ram twice with measurements to make sure of clutch play it has a shudder if the RPM's are low. That's my fault. I raise ram according to negate the shudder. I have no grind shifting gets somewhat better when up to temp. It's sporadic. Change fluid? I hear ya bsn. Gosh I hope not. I'm older and larger than most people. I just went through this stuff in July. Lying on my back on concrete is a suck way to spend winter. Gets cold here in mo. It is what it is I guess. Fz4k98 I'm listening to you and I will go out here shortly and report my findings later on today. Gonna be low 80s today. Will take a 150 mile round trip to place a rose on mom's grave. Lots of curves on the road there. Going to try that trip. What transmission fluid do you guys use? I think I'll try that new tremec. I'm going to exhaust all options before I pull the transmission. I put my car up on jack stands after Thanksgiving anyway for the winter. Will just lift a little higher. Thanks the oldman..

10-23-2022, 10:36 AM	#5
bsn Drives: 2013 ZL1 Join Date: Sep 2021 Location: Virginia Posts: 469	You can try jacking the rear wheels off the ground, try turning the wheels while a helper pushes the clutch and puts it in first keeping the pedal pushed in. If you suddenly feel drag its your clutch or slave cylinder may have some air in it. If the drag is slight chances are bleeding or giving the clutch more time to break in will cure it. If its a severe drag you are going to be spending some time underneath.

10-24-2022, 01:10 PM	#7
oldman14ss Drives: 2014 1ss camaro Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: missouri Posts: 706	went for a long drive yesterday. visited my buddy thats ate up with agent orange, sad, very sad. cant breath, as big around as a stick, in hospice sitting waiting to die. enough sad lets get back to subject. intermintently hard to shift into first at a stop. bsn yes sir, i forgot about having the wheels off the ground. duh, dumb ol' me thats how i used to adjust my clutch on my 4th gen when i had it with the tick adjustable master cylinder. adjust it out just far enough so when the clutch is pushed in in gear the wheels dont turn. i get what youre saying and also it is true what you said that its just not broken in yet. i have babied it. with all the new stuff i did at once. ariZona28, good point, with the original shifter but when i took it out you have to take it all apart and with the way my garage is (slob) i really dont know where all the pieces are cause i thought i woundnt use it again. there are no adjustments on an MGW . i'll drive it more and do a few burn outs and break it in more. i'll jack up the rear and do what you say and check for drag then bleed it more i have the tick remote speed bleed. i''ll do that here in a couple days and let you all know. thanks again theoldman..

10-24-2022, 06:10 PM	#9
oldman14ss Drives: 2014 1ss camaro Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: missouri Posts: 706	yeah banana, your right as rain. i'll get under it after the gym in the morning. its going to rain all day tomorow anyway. best test. i'm just like ugh! i'm hoping its ok.

10-26-2022, 02:36 PM	#11
oldman14ss Drives: 2014 1ss camaro Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: missouri Posts: 706	wife won't help yesterday. got my daughter to help today. in 1st gear with clutch pedal pushed in NO CHANGE!! no drag spins freely like it was out of gear, checked it 4 times checked both wheels even though i have a trutrak. no difference. i'll check my mileage i dont think i have even 4k on the break-in. gonna run it till the temp stays under 40* degrees outside and see if it breaks in. then ill go from there. going to rebleed the clutch this weekend. before that going cruise it the next couple days. raining this weekend. any more suggestions feel free.

10-29-2022, 08:40 PM	#12
oldman14ss Drives: 2014 1ss camaro Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: missouri Posts: 706	checked my mileage today its only got 3038 miles on build . and i have my list in front of me that might cause it to be tight and require additional break miles. here goes:bronze fork pads, bronze turret bushing,bronze shift rail bushing, and billet interlock. dont know if these components have bearing on the hard shifts. that is why i posted the parts that i think might have bearing on my obstacle. stick guys chime in.

10-30-2022, 03:41 PM	#14
oldman14ss Drives: 2014 1ss camaro Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: missouri Posts: 706	yes, i measured everything and checked my measurements with ram twice. in spec. i made sure. i didnt want to lay on my back again till it is worn out, the clutch does disengage properly. im going to continue to put miles on it to see if it gets better. and after thanksgiving when it gets parked for the winter i'm going to pull the shifter and send it to george at MGW and have him evaluate it. to see if it is still in spec. not complaining i think MGW is the best shifter for these cars.