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speed racer · 04-11-2010, 12:47 AM

Hey guys, this might sound like a stupid questions... I am in the process of getting a TVS2300 for my L99 and will be installing it myself... My real question is, do I really have to have Headers... I hate the way they sound.( Way to Raspy ). I have the stock manifolds and a CAI with the Flowmaster American Thunder Cat Back System and a Pro Tune.... I love the deep sound the car makes now and I really don't want to get headers....

Will I still get a Big HP Increase from what I have now?

My car Dyno'd with the CAI and Flowmasters and tune @ 335 RWHP....

What do you think I would get with the Maggie and no Headers with my current set up..... Thanks Guys

Kilo-9 · 04-11-2010, 12:52 AM

I won't take a stab at guessing your power level, but you, by no means, need headers to reap the benefits of a Maggie. You will make power o'plenty with or without headers!

speed racer · 04-11-2010, 01:03 AM

Great News !!!!

I really do not want to headers.. I already ordered the headers and cats, but I think I am going to call and Cancel the order... What a relief !!!

Thanks

alex33x · 04-11-2010, 01:04 AM

You will see like 440-450rwhp with no headers.

hot ss · 04-11-2010, 01:22 AM

a solid 450whp.
i have an l99, maggie,
and just upgraded to ARH and Corsa.
too loud, but it pulls hard. i think my car now is close to 500 whp.

speed racer · 04-11-2010, 11:05 AM

Hey guys, this might sound like a stupid questions... I am in the process of getting a TVS2300 for my L99 and will be installing it myself... My real question is, do I really have to have Headers... I hate the way they sound.( Way to Raspy ). I have the stock manifolds and a CAI with the Flowmaster American Thunder Cat Back System and a Pro Tune.... I love the deep sound the car makes now and I really don't want to get headers....

Will I still get a Big HP Increase from what I have now?

My car Dyno'd with the CAI and Flowmasters and tune @ 335 RWHP....

What do you think I would get with the Maggie and no Headers with my current set up..... Thanks Guys

MasterZ · 04-11-2010, 11:09 AM

you can put it on there, it just will not have the gains it would if you had headers... it will still make more power just not optimal..

riverrattcom · 04-11-2010, 11:09 AM

You dont have to install headers. It will make more Horsepower if you Put Large tube headers in with that maggie. But its not Mandatory.

Speed74SS · 04-11-2010, 11:20 AM

I don't have headers either - I know I could have more power with them but this is my daily driver and I like to talk to people in the car

Camaro21 · 04-11-2010, 11:22 AM

I was told that you will lose power with putting on Headers with a Maggie !!

FloMoCamaro · 04-11-2010, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by speed racer

Hey guys, this might sound like a stupid questions... I am in the process of getting a TVS2300 for my L99 and will be installing it myself... My real question is, do I really have to have Headers... I hate the way they sound.( Way to Raspy ). I have the stock manifolds and a CAI with the Flowmaster American Thunder Cat Back System and a Pro Tune.... I love the deep sound the car makes now and I really don't want to get headers....

Will I still get a Big HP Increase from what I have now?

My car Dyno'd with the CAI and Flowmasters and tune @ 335 RWHP....

What do you think I would get with the Maggie and no Headers with my current set up..... Thanks Guys

If you stay stock with the Maggie 3.8 pulley - I think you will probably pull about 450-460 rwhp with a good tune. I'm no expert, but ADM Performance just completed my L99/LS3 conversion with a cam and the TVS2300 with a 3.6 pulley. Not sure if you have seen the thread "ADM - L99/Supercharger Build", but it might help you out a little bit...

speed racer · 04-11-2010, 10:02 PM

Thanks for all the great advice guys.... I will be canceling my order for the Headers with Summit first thing monday morning. That is an extra $1000 I can put towards the maggie.. Now that I think about it, maybe I will just get the Polished one....

What the hell !!LOL

Z_Rocks · 04-12-2010, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by speed racer

Thanks for all the great advice guys.... I will be canceling my order for the Headers with Summit first thing monday morning. That is an extra $1000 I can put towards the maggie.. Now that I think about it, maybe I will just get the Polished one....

What the hell !!LOL

You can still go with Shorty headers, which gives you a better flow than stock and doesn't sound so harsh like the LT. Sort of a middle road. Edelbrok makes nice Shorties. Ask Summit how much they cost and it's replacement to stock manifold.

lxporting · 04-12-2010, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Camaro21

I was told that you will lose power with putting on Headers with a Maggie !!

False. You will not. You make a pulley change and retune the car and you pickup a good amount of power and maintain the same boost level. Especially if you have complete exhaust to get the air out. Shoot me a PM and I can tell you about my experiences with a maggie and headers. I picked up a half second in the 1/4 mile with headers, exhaust, a pulley change, and a retune. There is a TON of power to be had.

04-11-2010, 12:47 AM	#1
speed racer Speed Racer Drives: 2010 SuperCharged SS/RS Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Edmond, Ok Posts: 185 View My Garage	Can I install a Maggie TVS2300 without Headers? Hey guys, this might sound like a stupid questions... I am in the process of getting a TVS2300 for my L99 and will be installing it myself... My real question is, do I really have to have Headers... I hate the way they sound.( Way to Raspy ). I have the stock manifolds and a CAI with the Flowmaster American Thunder Cat Back System and a Pro Tune.... I love the deep sound the car makes now and I really don't want to get headers.... Will I still get a Big HP Increase from what I have now? My car Dyno'd with the CAI and Flowmasters and tune @ 335 RWHP.... What do you think I would get with the Maggie and no Headers with my current set up..... Thanks Guys

04-11-2010, 12:52 AM	#2
Kilo-9 Dog Is My Copilot Drives: 2011 2SS/RS LS3 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 1,394	I won't take a stab at guessing your power level, but you, by no means, need headers to reap the benefits of a Maggie. You will make power o'plenty with or without headers! __________________

04-11-2010, 01:04 AM	#4
alex33x Drives: 2013 Camaro ZL1 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: El Paso, Tx Posts: 687	You will see like 440-450rwhp with no headers. __________________ Devliered July 20, 2012

04-11-2010, 11:05 AM	#6
speed racer Speed Racer Drives: 2010 SuperCharged SS/RS Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Edmond, Ok Posts: 185 View My Garage	Can I install a Maggie TVS2300 without Headers? Hey guys, this might sound like a stupid questions... I am in the process of getting a TVS2300 for my L99 and will be installing it myself... My real question is, do I really have to have Headers... I hate the way they sound.( Way to Raspy ). I have the stock manifolds and a CAI with the Flowmaster American Thunder Cat Back System and a Pro Tune.... I love the deep sound the car makes now and I really don't want to get headers.... Will I still get a Big HP Increase from what I have now? My car Dyno'd with the CAI and Flowmasters and tune @ 335 RWHP.... What do you think I would get with the Maggie and no Headers with my current set up..... Thanks Guys

04-11-2010, 11:20 AM	#9
Speed74SS Drives: 2010 LPE 650+ CTS-V Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Sioux Falls, SD Posts: 1,640	I don't have headers either - I know I could have more power with them but this is my daily driver and I like to talk to people in the car __________________ '10 CTS-V : LPE 650+ Package 587hp / 582tq 2.55 Upper / 8.6 Lower / ID850's / Kooks Longtubes / New Era CAI

04-11-2010, 01:03 AM	#3
speed racer Speed Racer Drives: 2010 SuperCharged SS/RS Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Edmond, Ok Posts: 185 View My Garage	Great News !!!! I really do not want to headers.. I already ordered the headers and cats, but I think I am going to call and Cancel the order... What a relief !!! Thanks

04-11-2010, 01:22 AM	#5
hot ss Drives: aqua 2ss l99 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Edmonton Posts: 1,215	a solid 450whp. i have an l99, maggie, and just upgraded to ARH and Corsa. too loud, but it pulls hard. i think my car now is close to 500 whp.

04-11-2010, 11:09 AM	#7
MasterZ Drives: 2010 Camaro SS/RS Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Denham Springs, LA Posts: 705	you can put it on there, it just will not have the gains it would if you had headers... it will still make more power just not optimal..

04-11-2010, 11:09 AM	#8
riverrattcom Drives: 2010 2SS RS SIM Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 270 View My Garage	You dont have to install headers. It will make more Horsepower if you Put Large tube headers in with that maggie. But its not Mandatory.

04-11-2010, 11:22 AM	#10
Camaro21 Drives: SOLD - 2013 M6 ZL1 Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 5,040 View My Garage	I was told that you will lose power with putting on Headers with a Maggie !!

04-11-2010, 10:02 PM	#12
speed racer Speed Racer Drives: 2010 SuperCharged SS/RS Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Edmond, Ok Posts: 185 View My Garage	Thanks for all the great advice guys.... I will be canceling my order for the Headers with Summit first thing monday morning. That is an extra $1000 I can put towards the maggie.. Now that I think about it, maybe I will just get the Polished one.... What the hell !!LOL

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