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TFord · 11-02-2008, 08:47 PM

So Ive pretty much have all my mods picked out with the exception of Camshaft and heads...I understand, for the most part the specs but don't really know how to apply them. Im looking to be somewhere around 400 hp...keeping in mind this will be my daily driver so I dont need anything to aggressive, or thats gonna kill gas milage. I am looking for a cam that will have a lovely Idle tone...you that deep drone. I cant look at the cam specs and tell if the idle is gonna be choppy? dont want that! any help will be much appreciated!

Chocolate Apocalypse · 11-02-2008, 09:37 PM

Well, if its a DD I'd say go with a 22x duration with up to 580 or so lift on a 114 LSA, something like this:
http://www.texas-speed.com/shop/item...d=166&catid=44

And for heads either ported and milled LS6 or just ported 5.3 (depending on budget) since the 5.3 heads already have smaller combustion chambers. If you already have and LS6 intake and headers that should get you 400+ RWHP on a Dynojet, especially if you have a stick.

blaSSt · 11-03-2008, 07:15 AM

I'm making just over 400 RWHP through a 4L60E & Moser 12 bolt. With TEA Stage 1.5 heads (5.3L) and MTI C1 cam (now defunked). It's real close to the cam Chocolate offered. (224 duration, 0.561 lift on a 114 lobe) You can hear my car startup on my fQuick site:blaSSt

Note that the GMMG exhaust is key to that sound

TFord · 11-03-2008, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Chocolate Apocalypse

Well, if its a DD I'd say go with a 22x duration with up to 580 or so lift on a 114 LSA, something like this:
http://www.texas-speed.com/shop/item...d=166&catid=44

And for heads either ported and milled LS6 or just ported 5.3 (depending on budget) since the 5.3 heads already have smaller combustion chambers. If you already have and LS6 intake and headers that should get you 400+ RWHP on a Dynojet, especially if you have a stick.

funny you mention that I was researching and came across this cam

.580/.580 lift, 216/222 at .050, 114 Lobe Separation

seems good for what I want to use it for, I cant tell how the idle will sound just by looking at these numbers

BowtieGuy · 11-03-2008, 03:54 PM

The higher the LSA the lopier idle it will have.

Chocolate Apocalypse · 11-03-2008, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BowtieGuy

The higher the LSA the lopier idle it will have.

Actually its the opposite, a higher LSA will give you a smoother idle.

If you go to LS1Sounds.com they have different cams you can listen to, youtube also has a decent amount of LS cam vids.

*CamaroSpike23* · 11-03-2008, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BowtieGuy

The higher the LSA the lopier idle it will have.

backwards...

the lower the angle, the more the lobes will overlap, which causes lope.

flat out... if you are going to spend the money to buy new heads, you could just get your stock ones ported/polished with new hardware and a matching cam.

case in point. email Lloyd @ http://www.elliottsportworks.com/ls1.html

get his LE2 package. nice driveability and great power.

and a nice spectrum of cam ranges

Chocolate Apocalypse · 11-03-2008, 04:49 PM

Nice, after this weekend I'll be in the extreme category.

BowtieGuy · 11-03-2008, 06:26 PM

My bad, it figures I would get that backwards. I had even just ordered my own cam with a 114 LSA.

TFord · 11-03-2008, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

backwards...

the lower the angle, the more the lobes will overlap, which causes lope.

flat out... if you are going to spend the money to buy new heads, you could just get your stock ones ported/polished with new hardware and a matching cam.

case in point. email Lloyd @ http://www.elliottsportworks.com/ls1.html

get his LE2 package. nice driveability and great power.

and a nice spectrum of cam ranges

That Spike...he always knows what to say!

*CamaroSpike23* · 11-03-2008, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TFord

That Spike...he always knows what to say!

I aim to please...

*CamaroSpike23* · 11-03-2008, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BowtieGuy

My bad, it figures I would get that backwards. I had even just ordered my own cam with a 114 LSA.

114 isnt bad in any way shape or form. granted it wont have the same lope, but sometimes you gotta ask yourself.... do I want to sound fast or go fast?

TFord · 11-03-2008, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

114 isnt bad in any way shape or form. granted it wont have the same lope, but sometimes you gotta ask yourself.... do I want to sound fast or go fast?

OK...114LSA makes the idle sound more like stock. Lower LSA makes it choppy/rough. Higher LSA does what? Im assuming that the lower LSA is more aggressive, but Ive seen LSA's that were like 117

BowtieGuy · 11-03-2008, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

114 isnt bad in any way shape or form. granted it wont have the same lope, but sometimes you gotta ask yourself.... do I want to sound fast or go fast?

Well, I'm also planning on going supercharged sooo...

11-02-2008, 08:47 PM	#1
TFord Camaro Fanatic Drives: 2000 Z28 Join Date: May 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 1,808 View My Garage	Cam/Head? So Ive pretty much have all my mods picked out with the exception of Camshaft and heads...I understand, for the most part the specs but don't really know how to apply them. Im looking to be somewhere around 400 hp...keeping in mind this will be my daily driver so I dont need anything to aggressive, or thats gonna kill gas milage. I am looking for a cam that will have a lovely Idle tone...you that deep drone. I cant look at the cam specs and tell if the idle is gonna be choppy? dont want that! any help will be much appreciated!

11-02-2008, 09:37 PM	#2
Chocolate Apocalypse Full Fledged Member Drives: '18 1SS 1LE Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 346 View My Garage	Well, if its a DD I'd say go with a 22x duration with up to 580 or so lift on a 114 LSA, something like this: http://www.texas-speed.com/shop/item...d=166&catid=44 And for heads either ported and milled LS6 or just ported 5.3 (depending on budget) since the 5.3 heads already have smaller combustion chambers. If you already have and LS6 intake and headers that should get you 400+ RWHP on a Dynojet, especially if you have a stick. __________________ '18 1SS 1LE - DD '72 Cutlass - LSA topped 370" LS2

11-03-2008, 07:15 AM	#3
blaSSt Drives: 98 SS, 15 COPO, 09 ZR1 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 442 View My Garage	I'm making just over 400 RWHP through a 4L60E & Moser 12 bolt. With TEA Stage 1.5 heads (5.3L) and MTI C1 cam (now defunked). It's real close to the cam Chocolate offered. (224 duration, 0.561 lift on a 114 lobe) You can hear my car startup on my fQuick site:blaSSt Note that the GMMG exhaust is key to that sound __________________ On the internet - Anything is possible, especially when you don't know what you are talking about.

11-03-2008, 04:49 PM	#8
Chocolate Apocalypse Full Fledged Member Drives: '18 1SS 1LE Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 346 View My Garage	Nice, after this weekend I'll be in the extreme category. __________________ '18 1SS 1LE - DD '72 Cutlass - LSA topped 370" LS2

11-03-2008, 03:54 PM	#5
BowtieGuy Enlightened Drives: Nothing Currently Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,285	The higher the LSA the lopier idle it will have.

11-03-2008, 06:26 PM	#9
BowtieGuy Enlightened Drives: Nothing Currently Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,285	My bad, it figures I would get that backwards. I had even just ordered my own cam with a 114 LSA.