Camaro ZL1 Laps Nurburgring in 7:41.27. Enters Supercar Territory!!

[HumanWiki]

A couple of us have asked about that statement directly.. I didn't see an answer either...

I can't blame the guy though, if he says it.. people take it as gospel..

[huggercamaro21]

I think everyone should go over there and see what people are saying about the ZL1. Some serious hating going on right now.
http://wot.motortrend.com/gms-reuss-...me-123699.html

[scca02]

This just makes me that much more proud to own an American car that is capable of hanging with any other performance car in the world at a reasonable price.Someday,If Im lucky I will own one of these monsters and IT WILL see some heavy track time.................CONGRATS on a job well done!!!!!!!!!!!

[GoldenBear]

Originally Posted by fbodfather

The ZL1 will be thoughtfully priced. Keep in mind that it's a 'complete' car - there aren't a lot of options available..........

..........then - let's review the list of cars that have established times at the 'ring..............and you tell ME at what price point the car should be listed........ (no pulling the number out of the air -- or somewhere else ) -- think about the performance - the value - the standard features...........

If you were responsible for the shareholders of General Motors (....and that's YOU, by the way....) - how would YOU price it????

I believe that most buyers in the Pony Car segment are more concerned with 0-60 and 1/4 mile times than they are concerned with Nurburgring times. As impressive that the Nurburgring time is, I think the street and strip numbers are the numbers that will really help drive sales.

I think the proper question as a GM shareholder is at what price will the ZL1 sell the appropriate number vehicles to maximize profit for General Motors. Clearly, if the ZL1 is priced above what most potential buyers are willing to pay, that will be a problem. Also, if it's priced below what it costs to produce the vehicle, that will be a problem. Therefore, hopefully, General Motors has performed its marketing and engineering homework and due diligence, and will be able to produce the ZL1 at a cost that is compatible with selling the ZL1 at a price point where enough buyers will purchase the vehicle to generate a reasonable profit.

I don't know what the costs are to produce 5,000 to 7,000 ZL1s per year, but I believe that the price of the ZL1 needs to be within the historical range of Pony Car prices, adjusted for inflation, of course. There are only so many available dollars in the Pony Car segment. It doesn't matter if a Camaro out performs a Ferrari or a Porsche, as buyers of those vehicles, who do have a lot of money, will not purchase a Camaro.

Based on conversations that I have had with those interested in purchasing a ZL1, I believe that a fully loaded ZL1 should have an MSRP of no more than $58,500 in order to keep the vehicle priced within the range where it will generate an appropriate level of sales. Therefore, the marketing specification would read: The ZL1 with a fully optioned configuration shall have a maximum MSRP of less than or equal to $58,500 USD.

[ChevyCobb]

I didn't read all the pages of "holy shit" posts, but do we know exactly what tires were used? We have seem lots of pics with the test cars wearing slick tires, and I remember a few articles stating that the new sport cup zp tires may be an option. If they are, I wouldn't be surprised if that is what they used to get those times...which are still impressive.

A far as warranty... if GM finds out that a motor let go on a track, and still replaces it...you are going to have a lot of pissed off corvette owners.

[Avalnch]

Originally Posted by ChevyCobb

A far as warranty... if GM finds out that a motor let go on a track, and still replaces it...you are going to have a lot of pissed off corvette owners.

Yes, I hope GM has learned their lesson with these high powered LS motors. I'm more than happy with my N.A. LS3.

[Wondering]

Originally Posted by ChevyCobb

A far as warranty... if GM finds out that a motor let go on a track, and still replaces it...you are going to have a lot of pissed off corvette owners.

Quoted for truth....

[Avalnch]

Then again, maybe GM needs to do a bit more tuning to the ZL1.

http://www.caranddriver.com/news/car...er-future_cars

[Ltdodge]

Originally Posted by b4z

Keep in mind that the ZL1 and ZR1 have something that weighs about 100lbs in the car that doesn't help handling.
The little matter of the supercharger and intercooler may help on the straights but not so much in the corners.
if you look at the Z06 w/ Z07 stuff it is only 3 seconds slower than the ZR1 which has a 133hp more.
The fact that Chevy has figured out how to get this front heavy cars around the ring so well is a testament to what they have learned about suspensions.
I would expect that if Chevy does build a Z28 and puts a N/A LS7 in it it may very well be marginally quicker around a roac course than the ZL1.

the z06 runnig that time was with the magnetic suspension (like the zl1) and they were running the new michelin cup tires. tires make a word of diffrence!!

Originally Posted by ChevyCobb

I didn't read all the pages of "holy shit" posts, but do we know exactly what tires were used? We have seem lots of pics with the test cars wearing slick tires, and I remember a few articles stating that the new sport cup zp tires may be an option. If they are, I wouldn't be surprised if that is what they used to get those times...which are still impressive.

A far as warranty... if GM finds out that a motor let go on a track, and still replaces it...you are going to have a lot of pissed off corvette owners.

probably the same cup tires like the z06 ran

[colin911]

The ZL1 comes with a cage?

[Steve Dallas]

Originally Posted by Shurenuff

My mind is blown.

Is this even possible? Faster than a Z06 and ZR1, not to mention the other cars it eclipses? Seriously? I'm almost having a hard time believing this is true.

No, just the Z06. ZR1 is up at the top of the list, way above the ZL1.

[Ltdodge]

Originally Posted by Steve Dallas

No, just the Z06. ZR1 is up at the top of the list, way above the ZL1.

no...to both

9. Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 7:19.63 169 '08 647 / 1530 General Motors
11. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Z07 Package 7:22.68 168 '11 512 / 1394 General Motors
2012 Camaro ZL1 7:41.27

[Camaro_Corvette]

Originally Posted by Ltdodge

no...to both

9. Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 7:19.63 169 '08 647 / 1530 General Motors
11. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Z07 Package 7:22.68 168 '11 512 / 1394 General Motors
2012 Camaro ZL1 7:41.27

I think he is talking about the old Z06

[2010SLVRBULIT]

Car may start @ $50k MSRP, but we'll see how difficult it is to get it that(salivating dealer mark-ups and all..)

..very good performance times, nonetheless(and w/ good company)