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BackinBlackSS/RS · 03-01-2011, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by JANNETTYRACING

Tuning Takes Years to learn even with Proper Training and you MUST have and engine building background and understand the dynamics of an engine before you start tuning cars.

Ted.

That would be like someone saying im goona read a book on pharmacy and then start dispensing drugs. That ain't gonna turn out so good.

tom692010 · 03-01-2011, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BackinBlackSS/RS

That would be like someone saying im goona read a book on pharmacy and then start dispensing drugs. That ain't gonna turn out so good.

Love your Avatar,maybe he needed help from the old cooties...AARP.

mikeSS · 03-01-2011, 06:27 PM

i would rather just pay some body for tuning. less stress less problems and i know its done right

SC2150 · 03-01-2011, 06:30 PM

Grinder, contact Tampa Tuning on here....he does re-tunes for a fraction. Also, for a home course Masporst has by far the best book on tuning. Do a google search.

Bob;s school is good, but the Dan Mas book is the most detailed and best approach I have seen.

Eric Baker · 03-01-2011, 06:31 PM

Are you using the same shop every time?

Slowhawk · 03-01-2011, 06:44 PM

I think shops that do retunes with dyno's for free are nut's. thats a big money loser.

We do the ignitial tune and then retunes for $150 which are full street/dyno tunes.If a minor change is made I'd say wait till more is done.

I can see free retunes through e-mail since they take minute's to do. Only problem you don't really know if they are right till you scan or dyno the car.

GrinderSS · 03-01-2011, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SC2150

Grinder, contact Tampa Tuning on here....he does re-tunes for a fraction. Also, for a home course Masporst has by far the best book on tuning. Do a google search.

Bob;s school is good, but the Dan Mas book is the most detailed and best approach I have seen.

Thanks SC2150. I ordered the Dan's book, it's a good deal.

GrinderSS · 03-01-2011, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BackinBlackSS/RS

That would be like someone saying im goona read a book on pharmacy and then start dispensing drugs. That ain't gonna turn out so good.

I'm an electrical engineer by degree and practicing mechanical engineer, so I think I'm capable of doing it. The only problem is finding the time to learn it.

Comparing tuning an engine to pharmacology is a stretch; chemical engineering is at least an order of magnitude more complex.

Slowhawk · 03-01-2011, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by GrinderSS

I'm an electrical engineer by degree and practicing mechanical engineer, so I think I'm capable of doing it. The only problem is finding the time to learn it.

Comparing tuning an engine to pharmacology is a stretch; chemical engineering is at least an order of magnitude more complex.

Anybody could learn how to tune there car correctly. Just takes alot of time and getting the right info.

2010 SSRS · 03-01-2011, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JANNETTYRACING

This is Precisely why I run the Program I run, buy your parts from me and tunes for those parts are FREE.

This Helps out the Hobbyist Immensely and give them more money for Parts.

Tuning Takes Years to learn even with Proper Training and you MUST have and engine building background and understand the dynamics of an engine before you start tuning cars.

Ted.

, hopefully my Camaro is back at your shop soon.

BackinBlackSS/RS · 03-01-2011, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrinderSS

I'm an electrical engineer by degree and practicing mechanical engineer, so I think I'm capable of doing it. The only problem is finding the time to learn it.

Comparing tuning an engine to pharmacology is a stretch; chemical engineering is at least an order of magnitude more complex.

Maybe so, but tuning is not for the faint of heart. Mess up and you may have a mess on your hands. There's no replacment for experience.

GretchenGotGrowl · 03-02-2011, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by BackinBlackSS/RS

Maybe so, but tuning is not for the faint of heart. Mess up and you may have a mess on your hands. There's no replacment for experience.

True, but how does one get experience? Lot's of times I get it by messing up!

CC Performance · 03-02-2011, 11:00 AM

Dyno tuning is the best thing you can do. Putting a car on the dyno takes time and so does tuning it or retuning it if your doing it right. If that shop makes 450 per dyno tune and spends 2 hrs retuning your car he has lost money on the day if he doesn't charge for his service.
Mail order tunes are not as involved as putting a car on the dyno and should not cost anywhere near the same.

Tuning software is a good idea if your going to be constantly doing things to the car. You already have a base tune and if your not doing something drastic then it will only take subtle changes to tweak the tune. You do things in small increments and you learn. This is what schooling is and we've all done that before.

HPtuners and the other tuning software suites also have their own support boards where tuners hang out and help people.

You need to record certain events, diagnose and make changes from there. You need equipment to do it. The car needs to be monitored while its driving at partial throttle and this is where a mustang dyno or a load bearing dyno comes into play. You can simulate real world driving in the shop.

Otherwise what you do is drive and log analyze and tweak and drive and log, analyze and tweak.... repeat.
If your truly like to tinker on the car then you would like the tuning software.

Dependiing on the system they use mail order tuners can do the same thing.. they need to record and make changes from the readings they see. It takes longer this way but can be very effective as well. As with any tune be it remote or in person the tuner needs to know what they are doing. Tuning carbuerators on Fords for a lifetime doesnt make you an expert tuning GM EFI systems so tuning experience should be relevant to the object your trying to tune.

We charge 450-500 for a dyno tune, 175-300-500 for a retune all depending on what changes were made. If we have to spend another 2-3 hrs to make it right again thats about the same amount of time of the original tune.

Our tunes are done by one of the very best on the West Coast..Wongs Performance Engineering..

DSX · 03-02-2011, 12:09 PM

Getting charged for a retune is typical, but as stated, your tuner is charging way too much... unless you're making significant changes (like redoing an entire setup).

Buy HP Tuners, start reading the forum, and go from there. Hell, I'll help you for free. Positive displacement blower cars are a joke to dial in.

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03-01-2011, 06:27 PM	#17
mikeSS Drives: 2015 c7 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: MI Posts: 7,462	i would rather just pay some body for tuning. less stress less problems and i know its done right

03-01-2011, 06:30 PM	#18
SC2150 Account Suspended Drives: 2012 Camaro RS, RX supercharged Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Bradenton, FL Posts: 6,063	Grinder, contact Tampa Tuning on here....he does re-tunes for a fraction. Also, for a home course Masporst has by far the best book on tuning. Do a google search. Bob;s school is good, but the Dan Mas book is the most detailed and best approach I have seen.

03-01-2011, 06:31 PM	#19
Eric Baker Drives: Black/Black 2SS/RS 6M Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Boston MA Posts: 987 View My Garage	Are you using the same shop every time?

03-01-2011, 06:44 PM	#20
Slowhawk Drives: 1999 Trans Am Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Bridgewater,Ma Posts: 2,018	I think shops that do retunes with dyno's for free are nut's. thats a big money loser. We do the ignitial tune and then retunes for $150 which are full street/dyno tunes.If a minor change is made I'd say wait till more is done. I can see free retunes through e-mail since they take minute's to do. Only problem you don't really know if they are right till you scan or dyno the car.

03-02-2011, 11:00 AM	#27
CC Performance Account Suspended Drives: 99 Camaro SS, 79 z28, 70 GTX Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: ST Helens, OR Posts: 1,759	Dyno tuning is the best thing you can do. Putting a car on the dyno takes time and so does tuning it or retuning it if your doing it right. If that shop makes 450 per dyno tune and spends 2 hrs retuning your car he has lost money on the day if he doesn't charge for his service. Mail order tunes are not as involved as putting a car on the dyno and should not cost anywhere near the same. Tuning software is a good idea if your going to be constantly doing things to the car. You already have a base tune and if your not doing something drastic then it will only take subtle changes to tweak the tune. You do things in small increments and you learn. This is what schooling is and we've all done that before. HPtuners and the other tuning software suites also have their own support boards where tuners hang out and help people. You need to record certain events, diagnose and make changes from there. You need equipment to do it. The car needs to be monitored while its driving at partial throttle and this is where a mustang dyno or a load bearing dyno comes into play. You can simulate real world driving in the shop. Otherwise what you do is drive and log analyze and tweak and drive and log, analyze and tweak.... repeat. If your truly like to tinker on the car then you would like the tuning software. Dependiing on the system they use mail order tuners can do the same thing.. they need to record and make changes from the readings they see. It takes longer this way but can be very effective as well. As with any tune be it remote or in person the tuner needs to know what they are doing. Tuning carbuerators on Fords for a lifetime doesnt make you an expert tuning GM EFI systems so tuning experience should be relevant to the object your trying to tune. We charge 450-500 for a dyno tune, 175-300-500 for a retune all depending on what changes were made. If we have to spend another 2-3 hrs to make it right again thats about the same amount of time of the original tune. Our tunes are done by one of the very best on the West Coast..Wongs Performance Engineering..

03-02-2011, 12:09 PM	#28
DSX Account Suspended Drives: 2006 Z06 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 145	Getting charged for a retune is typical, but as stated, your tuner is charging way too much... unless you're making significant changes (like redoing an entire setup). Buy HP Tuners, start reading the forum, and go from there. Hell, I'll help you for free. Positive displacement blower cars are a joke to dial in.