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06-27-2010, 07:18 PM | #16 |
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Haven't seen a dyno graph to see what the start torque is but 390 out of 5.0L vs 424 from a 6.2L isn't very shabby. If they did have to do after market type mods from the factory then i will agree with you on the pushrod design. Gm made enourmous strides in pushrod engines but to keep going up in bore and stroke doesn't make sense to me if you can do it with a smaller ci engine. Yes i know they weigh more, but if GM can do such great things with the LLT DOHC then why not on the V8?
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06-27-2010, 07:30 PM | #17 | |
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Ford's new engine has a "CAI" (iirc), and shorty headers, features variable valve timing, DOHC, and heavily revised heads. Yet it makes less torque, but is revved higher than the LS3, giving it roughly equivilant power. The LLT features direct injection, on top of an equally-high redline, giving it that same 'low' torque/high hp character. The LS3 has no Variable Valve Timing, single cam-in-block, cast exhaust manifolds, a lower redline, and an aging block design. Yet it still produces more torque and more power across a broad range than pretty much every engine in its class. The Gen V V8 engines are set to utilize VVT, DI, and they'll ALL be aluminum blocks, among other technologies. One of which they're referring to as an "all-new advanced combustion system design". They'll likely be smaller in displacement, with higher fuel economy, yet will not suffer a significant (if any) drop in power. On top of all that, they've designed it to meet anticipated emissions standards throughout the next decade...not just current ones. |
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06-27-2010, 07:34 PM | #18 | |
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Which would you rather have: BMWs 4.0 V8 414hp, 310lbs Cost $20k (estimate) 14mpg city, 20mpg highway or Camaro LS3 Cost $6.5k 430hp, 424lbs 16mpg city, 24Mpg highway You see my point, horsepower per liter is meaningless and does not transfer to the bottomline to the consumer in any way shape or form in the real world. Where it counts i.e. Weight, cost, compact in size, hp, torque, fuel economy, and responding to mods. OHV>DOHC. |
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06-27-2010, 07:52 PM | #19 |
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I cant wait to read more about the $890 Mil GM just droped on their GEN V engines
Better yet I cant wait to hear about one going into a car
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06-27-2010, 08:06 PM | #20 |
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OP don't be a downer. Camaro SS is a beast.. but Cts-V is a monster. and the z/28 will be a "beastly monster" so it will be faster than both and the Cts-V and Camrao SS aren't as close as you think..
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06-27-2010, 08:56 PM | #21 |
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06-28-2010, 12:39 AM | #23 |
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Z28 with 556 HP = 1 big freak'n smile after another! How fast do you want to drive? Come on! When I turned 16, they introduced the 1982 Z28 with 170 HP. Never did I dream that the camaro lineup would include a 312 HP V6 (OMG), a 426 HP V8 SS model and a 556 HP Z28. But yet, here we are! These are the good old days! Enjoy them while they last!
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06-28-2010, 01:28 AM | #24 |
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I was thinking the same thing at first, but I believe he meant lb-ft of torque not lbs of engine weight.
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06-28-2010, 09:30 AM | #27 |
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I guess that is better than just plain dead
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These aren't the same cars as our 4th Gen was. It pains me to think of how I'd go about paying for this car, but I feel like it's a lot higher quality than my mid-$20K Z28 was. I don't know if an equivalent-equipped SS is worth the +$10K, but I know that I want it, LOL. I know I like the feel of the car way more than I remember of my '02. Relative to the other cars in this market, I believe they are good values; I guess I just need more $$$ I just hope they give us something that's at least as fast as the Cobra, and runs circles around it on the road course. I want to see GM show that IRS IS superior to their SRA. I'd actually like them to show that on SS, too
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