Supercharger

[Mr. Wyndham]

Hey all - check this out:

I was debating back and forth over whether I wanted to pop a Turbo or a Positive displacement blower on my Camaro when I get it. However, the main issue for me was fuel economy (ironic, right?). If the thing took away significant fuel economy ALL the time (obviously it will when I'm on it) then I couldn't justify it - especially nowadays.
But it seems as though the Newer Eaton blowers (the one like on the CTS-V, and the ZR-1) can actually increase your economy when you're not hammering it (according to Magnuson Products - the main supplier of Eaton blowers).

http://www.magnusonproducts.com/faq.htm

Will a supercharger kill my fuel economy? That depends on how you drive. Many customers see an increase in their fuel economy with the supercharger. With the Radix system for example, a 2 to 3 m.p.g. increase is not unusual. The supercharger actually reduces the pumping loss of the engine. This loss is vacuum force required to actually pull the air/fuel into the cylinder. The supercharger equalizes all the cylinders and actually helps to 'push' the piston down to the bottom of the intake stroke, increasing engine efficiency. The problem with most owners of supercharged vehicles is that the "fun factor" goes through the roof, and it's hard to keep your foot off the mat!

Now I knew that Turbos had a tendancy to do this, too...but Superchargers are just so much easier (relatively speaking).......

Thought I'd share the info. After all, the ZR1 does use this type of blower.....

[The_Stache]

I keep chanting "whipple" to myself over and over and over and over...

[MCPOAJ]

They also used the eaton m62 supercharger on the cobalt ss 2.0l supercharged and i hate to say that GM lied a little (on purpose) but it makes a few more hp then what they say

[radz28]

I've been on their site several times and there are comparisons to Whipple and Procharger. Obvisously, the Whipple is a roots-style and the Procharger is a centrifugal-style. Well, the Magnusun (Eaton) had more power under the curve than both of the other two, although it did give up some top-end. Unless you drive your car a 6000+ RPMs all the time, I think the Mag' would be better all-around. I think the turbo will be a little more fickle and ultimately more complex to run because of the oil, air lines, and what-not. Mag' claims their TVR blowers are within a few percent efficiency of turbos now also.

Ask yourself: Which company provides superchargers for GM and Ford?... Magnusun/Eaton.

[SilverTurtle]

I keep trying to talk the wife into letting me put a blower on the Tahoe... she never really goes for it... she always says, "sure", but what she really means is, "in your dreams"... lol

[TAG UR IT]

Originally Posted by SilverTurtle

I keep trying to talk the wife into letting me put a blower on the Tahoe... she never really goes for it... she always says, "sure", but what she really means is, "in your dreams"... lol

LOL...That's like my wife. She says, "sure" but in reality means, "If it'll make you STFU!" HAHAHAHA Evil woman...

[The_Stache]

Originally Posted by radz282003

I've been on their site several times and there are comparisons to Whipple and Procharger. Obvisously, the Whipple is a roots-style and the Procharger is a centrifugal-style. Well, the Magnusun (Eaton) had more power under the curve than both of the other two, although it did give up some top-end. Unless you drive your car a 6000+ RPMs all the time, I think the Mag' would be better all-around. I think the turbo will be a little more fickle and ultimately more complex to run because of the oil, air lines, and what-not. Mag' claims their TVR blowers are within a few percent efficiency of turbos now also.

Ask yourself: Which company provides superchargers for GM and Ford?... Magnusun/Eaton.

Actually Whipple's are twin screw and thus have lower IAT's than almost any other type of charger. What REALLY peaks my interest is the new Gen 2 rotors that Whipple just came out with in Jan that have a new coating and are tuned for more PSI to make up the deference you get with centri's types. That and the new 3.4l size they are offering (you need to fab your own manifold, no kits)

Tech is going up in the world today.

[TFord]

seems like Im coming in on the a$$ end of this thread...

theres a shop here in Tacoma I went to that does alot of high performance work on chevys. I talked to them for ideas for my new Z28 and they said they're opinion was the best way to go was with a magnacharger. they have setups specifically for LS series engines that are for the most part plug and play, and relatively inexspensive. They love magnacharges for the ease of installation, fits with the stock hood, simple tune, and +2 to 3 miles to the gallon if you keep the pedal off of the floor. Im thinking about magnacharging my Z28, but theres a lot of other things that I need to do first.

[Grape Ape]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Hey all - check this out:

I was debating back and forth over whether I wanted to pop a Turbo or a Positive displacement blower on my Camaro when I get it. However, the main issue for me was fuel economy (ironic, right?). If the thing took away significant fuel economy ALL the time (obviously it will when I'm on it) then I couldn't justify it - especially nowadays.
But it seems as though the Newer Eaton blowers (the one like on the CTS-V, and the ZR-1) can actually increase your economy when you're not hammering it (according to Magnuson Products - the main supplier of Eaton blowers).

http://www.magnusonproducts.com/faq.htm



Now I knew that Turbos had a tendancy to do this, too...but Superchargers are just so much easier (relatively speaking).......

Thought I'd share the info. After all, the ZR1 does use this type of blower.....

I just found this article on an Aussie website about than that. http://autospeed.com/cms/A_109931/article.html

In Oz Skoda sells a car with your choice of two VW sourced 2.0 liter DI I4s, one NA and one Turbo charged. The turbo not only gets 30-50% more power (34% peak, but the curve is flatter), it also gets 29 mpg vs. 27.7 with NA. I’m feeling pretty good about a possible TT DI V6.

From what I’ve read we have the hippies to thank for this. I gather that the older designs would run extra rich under boost to cool the combustion chamber but the EPA now forbids it. So the manufacturers have had to get serious with revised cooling jackets, oil squirters to cool the pistons and better intercoolers.

[radz28]

Originally Posted by TAG UR IT

LOL...That's like my wife. She says, "sure" but in reality means, "If it'll make you STFU!" HAHAHAHA Evil woman...

That's what I do to my wife, LOL! That's how I got my PS3!

[radz28]

Originally Posted by diarmadhi

Actually Whipple's are twin screw and thus have lower IAT's than almost any other type of charger. What REALLY peaks my interest is the new Gen 2 rotors that Whipple just came out with in Jan that have a new coating and are tuned for more PSI to make up the deference you get with centri's types. That and the new 3.4l size they are offering (you need to fab your own manifold, no kits)

Tech is going up in the world today.

I don't remember Magnuson's site saying anything about Whipple's IAT, but I think that's a common feature of roots/twin screw style. I've read about the coating you're talking about a couple years ago and I remember that there was another SC that had teflon strips, at the lobes that would wear to fit almost completely closing the gap between the two rotors. Sounds like a similar set-up.

[blindingillusion]

I decided on super charger a long time ago. Not really any reason other than I think the install ins simpler and more fun.

One question though, I have been told that there are cases when a super charger or other upgrades won't hurt your warranty? Any clue how to swing this?

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by blindingillusion

One question though, I have been told that there are cases when a super charger or other upgrades won't hurt your warranty? Any clue how to swing this?

there are certain things that you can do to your car that wont violate/void your warranty, like a cai or a cat back system. as far as a s/c, as long as its bought (and possibly installed by) the stealership/manufacturer, your warranty is still liable.

[blindingillusion]

That makes me happy. I don't exactly intend on a supercharger being my very first mod, but I want it none the less.