Ok, speaking hypothetically

[Mindz]

Originally Posted by TAG UR IT

No kidding. Hearing that whine when you pull up to someone....boy, is it cool.

Turbo hiss:




Blower whine:

[GTAHVIT]

I'd prefer S/C. But am in no way against turbo... Not at all. Twin turbos... heh heeee even better.

[mega_man_01103]

im a S/C guy. I have never owned a turbo vehicle so i guess im partial since i owned a thunderbird supercoupe about 3 years ago and love every minute of it (until it broke).

but yes im in the same boat as 2K05GT. I want to have the V8's before they go, if they go. Im still thinking that technology will catch up with CAFE and
V8's will have 35mpg and above. I dont know how they will do it, but they will.....THEY HAVE TO!!!!!!!

[2K05GT]

Originally Posted by mega_man_01103

im a S/C guy. I have never owned a turbo vehicle so i guess im partial since i owned a thunderbird supercoupe about 3 years ago and love every minute of it (until it broke).

but yes im in the same boat as 2K05GT. I want to have the V8's before they go, if they go. Im still thinking that technology will catch up with CAFE and
V8's will have 35mpg and above. I dont know how they will do it, but they will.....THEY HAVE TO!!!!!!!

I don't see it, the Fuel need to optain HP in a V8 is so much more that a 4 Cyl or V6 with FI.

I have a Laptop and Tuner on my Mustang and I Can increase the Timing and A/F Mix and see 3/10th increase in the 1/4 mile and see as much as 6 mpg drop on the road. With My race tune I get 16 mpg on my street tune I get 22these are average numbers based on City/Highway mix over 2 fillups.
( My Street tune I run a 13.1 Race tune 12.8 )

Basicly it's simple science, to get HP you need Fuel, the More Fuel the more Power. The more Cylinders the more fuel is burnt.

Forced Induction solutions are more efficient due to another factor besides Fuel, and thats Air and Compression. compressing ambient air and delivering it to the air intake of the engine, resulting in a greater amount of the air/fuel mixture to enter into the cylinder. The objective of a turbocharger is the same as a normal supercharger; to improve upon the size-to-output efficiency of an engine by solving one of its cardinal limitations. A naturally aspirated engine uses only the downward stroke of a piston to create an area of low pressure in order to draw air into the cylinder. Because the number of air and fuel molecules determine the potential energy available to force the piston down on the combustion stroke, and because of the relatively constant pressure of the atmosphere, there ultimately will be a limit to the amount of air and consequently fuel filling the combustion chamber. This ability to fill the cylinder with air is its volumetric efficiency. Because the turbocharger increases the pressure at the point where air is entering the cylinder, and the amount of air brought into the cylinder is largely a function of time and pressure, more air will be drawn in as the pressure increases. The additional air makes it possible to add more fuel, increasing the output of the engine.

[Grape Ape]

I'd take the TT V6 even if they brought back the LS1 and let me choose.

It would be easier to mod (hello E85 only tune).
It would get better mileage under a light load.
It should have better weight distribution.
And I think that a peakier torque curve makes for a more intersting drive.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by 2K05GT

I don't see it, the Fuel need to optain HP in a V8 is so much more that a 4 Cyl or V6 with FI.

I have a Laptop and Tuner on my Mustang and I Can increase the Timing and A/F Mix and see 3/10th increase in the 1/4 mile and see as much as 6 mpg drop on the road. With My race tune I get 16 mpg on my street tune I get 22these are average numbers based on City/Highway mix over 2 fillups.
( My Street tune I run a 13.1 Race tune 12.8

Basicly it's simple science, to get HP you need Fuel, the More Fuel the more Power. The more Cylinders the more fuel is burnt.

Forced Induction solutions are more efficient due to another factor besides Fuel, and thats Air and Compression. compressing ambient air and delivering it to the air intake of the engine, resulting in a greater amount of the air/fuel mixture to enter into the cylinder. The objective of a turbocharger is the same as a normal supercharger; to improve upon the size-to-output efficiency of an engine by solving one of its cardinal limitations. A naturally aspirated engine uses only the downward stroke of a piston to create an area of low pressure in order to draw air into the cylinder. Because the number of air and fuel molecules determine the potential energy available to force the piston down on the combustion stroke, and because of the relatively constant pressure of the atmosphere, there ultimately will be a limit to the amount of air and consequently fuel filling the combustion chamber. This ability to fill the cylinder with air is its volumetric efficiency. Because the turbocharger increases the pressure at the point where air is entering the cylinder, and the amount of air brought into the cylinder is largely a function of time and pressure, more air will be drawn in as the pressure increases. The additional air makes it possible to add more fuel, increasing the output of the engine.

However, adding more air does nothing when you don't add more fuel. And you need to burn a certain amount of fuel to get a particular amount of energy out. I believe the reason that turbos give better mileage than blowers is because of turbo lag. Superchargers provide more low end boost, which means more low end power, which means more fuel is needed even when you don't want to use it. And similarly, for a 6L engine at low speeds, it will need alot more fuel than a 3.6L V6 with a turbo because at those low speeds there isn't alot of boost generated.

[SoFlaZ]

I would go for a TT-V6 if it had at least 350 hp. But I still love V8's and will have one before they are outlawed or just not economical enough to drive. What about a TT V8?? that will be a huge aftermarket consideration for me!

[Mr. Wyndham]

What?!?! Oh, come on. What's this now about outlawing V8's...I know the title of the thread is 'speaking hypothetically, but gimme a break!

Who started that Rumor?

[09'Z28]

to be fair to all of you talking about V8 with turbos i was talking about the V6 turbo
i would take a V8 turbocharged engine any day but the V6 with a turbo...
...it wouldn't have the right turbo/engine noise ratio

[SoFlaZ]

I didnt mean to sound as harsh as they are getting outlawed, I meant I just want one now before something bad possibly happens with CAFE and the mandatory mpg rates need to increase dramatically. I know its over the whole fleet or whatever but still, I just want my Camaro with its V8 rumble!

[The_Stache]

Haven't commented on this yet but, with the whole supercharger/turbo debate. Personally I'm going to go with a Whipple supercharger after mine gets paid off. The normal payments will go into a savings until I can buy that baby. Whipples are the complete package and can usually be installed by the normal wrench lugging car guy (even the tunes for the PCM's). That said Im going mild with definitely less that 10psi. I buy cars to drive them, not to have a dyno or garage queen.

[KILLER74Z28]

Originally Posted by Mindz

Turbo hiss:




Blower whine:

[09'Z28]

Originally Posted by diarmadhi

I buy cars to drive them, not to have a dyno or garage queen.

if i got one it would be a track master and a road king on the way to the track

[TAG UR IT]

How I wish I had the cash to pick up those parts, put'em in my back seat and take'em home. I'd love to see what a turbo would do on my LS1. I'd happily install one w/out hesitation.

Oh, and the front end of that T'd SS in vid 1 looks sweeeeeeet.