03-29-2013, 01:19 AM | #29 | |
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+1 again...., this is becoming habit. Do you now think most of the ls7 engines will make it into production cars? (before you thought about 2000 2014 Z/28s)? A few weeks ago the last one went into the last z06. About 30 a day are hand built. That gives GM the capacity to have about 5 to 6 thousand for the 2014 MY. |
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03-29-2013, 01:25 AM | #30 | |
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For the sake of fairness so does the LS3 equipped 1LE!! |
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03-29-2013, 02:08 AM | #31 |
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Because once you put a premium priced engine like the LS7 in a Camaro with suspension, brakes and hardware to match the performance it's already at the ZL1 price point.
It's either you have a LS3 like in 1LE for under $40k or you go with the LS7 and quickly jump to the ZL1 range. For economic reasons you can't have both. I know this has been beaten to death in the Z28 forums for as long as the 5th Gen Camaro has been out. |
03-29-2013, 02:46 AM | #32 |
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i see it as a slap in the face of the original z28. a 427 wasn't an option for a z28. what option code got that engine . . . . oh yeah that pesky zL1. i think the zL1 should've gotten the LS7 seeing as how the ZL1 was the only car that came with a 427 and kept everything else how it is and the z28 should've gotten the LSA engine since a 302 is out of the question for the modern day enthusiasts mentality of no replacement for discplacement.
Also showing these numbers from factory the z28 was not the fastest car in the lineup, pretty much only faster than the ss350 in 67 and most likely faster than the 69 ss350 but i couldn't find a factory time slip for it :( 1967 (Z-28) 302/290bhp: 0-60 in 6.9 sec, 1/4 mile in 14.85 sec @ 101mph (SS350) 350/295: 1/4 mile in 15.4 seconds @ 90 mph (SS396) 396/325bhp: 0-60 in 6.0 sec, 1/4 mile in 14.5 sec @ 99mph 1969 (Z-28) 302/290bhp: 0-60 in 7.4 sec, 1/4 mile in 15.12 sec @ 94.8mph (SS396) 396/375bhp: 0-60 in 6.8 sec, 1/4 mile in 14.7 sec @ 98.7mph (COPO 9561) 427/425bhp: 0-60 in 5.4 sec, 1/4 mile in 13.5 sec @ 102mph (COPO 9560) 427/430bhp: 0-60 in 5.3 sec, 1/4 mile in 13.16 sec @ 110 mph
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The size of the engine has nothing to do with ZL1 or Z28 or SS.
Welcome to 2013/14 where GM is stomping cars around the track left and right. Instead of settling for two of the fastest cars around a track, GM decided to slyly grin, and release a street-able car that will best the non-street legal Boss' out of Ford. While people on here in-fight about whats better the ZL1 or the Z28. Who really cares? If you want a Z28 and you have a ZL1, obviously money isn't an issue so get one. If you have an SS and wanted the Z28 and it's out of your price range, go get a 1LE. Chevrolet currently has three of the fastest cars around a track that you can buy for less than $60K (guessing on the Z28 price here). What else could we, as camaro owners want? Sure that pesky '13 GT500 will go faster in a straight line, but let them have that. Our cars are more reliable, inspire confidence in corners, and are by far the better vehicle to own. EDIT: Forgot, our cars that cost less than $60K are beating cars that cost 2-5x more. It's a good time to support General Motors.
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03-29-2013, 03:49 AM | #34 | |
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My route is build a car to play with the big boys for 1/2 of what they are spending But if I were to buy a 5th gen it would either be a 13 1LE or 13ZL1 since i don't like the 14's at all :(
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I'm right there with you regarding building a faster car for less. It's very much so do-able. Just like all the ZL1 guys can add a cam, CAI, LT headers, and pulleys to make-up the 300lb weight difference. OR just order the brake kit whenever it becomes available, and order the lighter rear-window. The glory if today's era is that while we're stuck with one engine block, there's no stopping you from doing whatever you want and ending up with a car that fits your needs and your wants.
I just can't wait to hear that whine of the supercharger on my ZL1. Plus, even if a Z28 is faster, i'll let him beat me once. After that we'll just go hunt mustangs together
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I wish i could make it to C5fest :( I'll be in Afghanistan though. Rain check, beer sounds really good right about now!
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well the car wont be ready for at least a year then i need to save money for gas and hotel etc so it'll be a few years! thank you for serving our country!!!
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The 2015 mustang gt will probably have as much hp as a base c7. That new 5.0 engine is a thing of beauty. I'm not even swinging on Ford's nuts lol but like aonther guy posted it..we all are living in a muscle car nirvana. Let's see how the 2016 Camaro responds....it's always a game of catchup. Meanwhile in the mopar camp.... |
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The Z/28 was not about straight line speed, it was about cornering. The 302 engine was not a choice by GM, it was required by the Trans Am racing series. The LS7 in the Z/28 is acceptable because the LS7 is built for racing and there is no displacement cap so why not go big? |
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