GM Building New GEN-5 V-8 in St. Catharines

[shadowed_Stranger]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

Well . . . there is at least one custom bike shop, possibly more, that make V8 powered motorcycles. Best of both worlds for ya!

yeah, but V8 motorcycles arent as fast OR as good looking as a good old fashioned hayabusa.

There was the Dodge V12 motorcycle too O.o

[SKiZZ]

Originally Posted by radz282003

Wow; this is pretty cool news. I'm eager to hear/read what the details of this engine are. It doesn't sound like it's going to make it into Camaro at launch, so I wonder what Father meant about forgetting what we know...

'Rag - I'm glad that you got the "C" taken care of. I've lost many family/friends to that horrible bug and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. I just heard there is a guy who is a broadcast engineer who has actually developed a machine that can tune into certain C-cell frequencies that can actually destroy the cells by burning them up, with the help of Nano cells that are being developed. Regardless, I'm glad that has been corrected for you.

Isn't technology great?!

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...=mostpop_story

It's called a Kanzius machine. Pronounced Kansas. FYI. Back to the regularly scheduled thread.

[asrapid]

i don't know about any v12 dodge motorcycle but there was a dodge tomahawk with v10 engine from viper in concept form.

[TAG UR IT]

BACK ON TOPIC.

THIS IS THE GEN V TALK THREAD. Thank you.

[LS9CamaroSS]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

When I think of engine size, I tend to think of how big of a box you need for it, not displacement. And I meaure efficiency with mpg, not hp/L. I just pick those because they are more of a bottom line. A model airplane engine makes crazy hp/L but that don't mean much on its own. Absolute power is more important when looking at the entire car. An engine is there to move the car down the road, not to make impressive numbers on a piece of paper. Thats my take anyway.

And for fuel economy, to the best of my knowledge neither the BMW nor the LS3 (corvette/crate version) has any advanced fuel saving techniques. Also, while the ecotecs get good hp/mpg numbers, those same stats are better for gen IV V8's. The highly efficient Cobalt XFE 148 hp/31 mpg combined = 4.77. The powerful 2L turbo in the Solstice GXP is 260 hp/24 mpg=10.8. The L76 in the G8 GT 361 hp/20 mpg = 18.05. LS7 Corvette makes a mockery of this stat. 505/20 = 25.25

I'm not sure that fuel economy for the BMW vs GM @ same size would be as lop sided as you say. European performance cars aren't that well known for fuel economy. And only under rare circumstances do bigger engines get more efficient. I would anticipate that an M3 with a 6L engine would get 16 mpg combined or less. Compare that to the G8 @ 20. Now, a 6L BMW engine would be making roughly 600 hp.

I'm sleepy now. I have probably made countless errors in my above post. If so, consult my sig.

My point is though is that the one corvette to own everything and still does was a DOHC set up that car cost as much as it did because the engines were hand built... Gm now has the technology to make a DOHC engine as inexpensive as anything else... The V6 in the CTS doesn't weigh all that much and it is a DOHC. i'm dead set on these things i'm sorry... but the push rod is ancient and the DOHC engine have a longer life span IMO... we'll see what the Gen V is when it come out, but i'm hoping a low displacement DOHC that gets great MPG with awesome HP just like the CTS' V6 gets... 3.6L 300 HP and 20/30MPG this is the future of engines and if they lower the compression ratio of these engines i see the CTS' V6 getting about 400Hp easily with minor tuning and a little bit of Turbo FI... imagine if we could have an engine like the Supra had? That thing was amazing... upwards of 900Hp out of a V6 with turbos...

[Mr. Wyndham]

The rumors are that there will be both versions of the Gen V. OHC/DOHC, and Pushrod.

Personally - I don't care which we get...but GM has beaten everyone else up to now with 'ancient' pushrods; I don't see any reason to change.

[NOODLESgoneWILD]

2 Years ago I'd say "SO WHAT!!!, HOW CARES ABOUT THE PRICE OF GAS!!!" Now I'll be waiting until they release the Camaro with the GEN V Motors...And I doubt I'm the only one who's willing to wait considering the sharp rise in fuel prices over the last two years...The real question is when and where will we see it level off at....becuase I won't buy until then!


Does anyone else feeling the same way?

ALSO ID LOVE TO SEE GM OFFER $2.99 A GALLON OF GAS WITH THE PURCHASE OF A NEW CAMARO....IM DOWN WITH THAT!

[DGthe3]

So what do we know so far about the gen V? I think I've heard that it will be designed for direct injection, afm, and vvt. The DOHC and OHV setup is news to me. Anything else?

[TAG UR IT]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

So what do we know so far about the gen V? I think I've heard that it will be designed for direct injection, afm, and vvt. The DOHC and OHV setup is news to me. Anything else?

That's all I've heard too.

[asrapid]

Actually DOHC technology is older than OHV(or better to say cam in block with ohv) so i don't see how ohv is more ancient than dohc .Both technology are very old.
But to return on topic. I remember that when Ultra v8 was cancelled there was some document on net how new v8 engine from GM was 6.2 l dohc engine. If i remember correct that document was written before Ultra v8 was cancelled.
Some rumors suggest that when new cadillac model come(sts/dts rplacement or something even more luxurious) cadillac will maybe buy engine (dohc v8) from another car manufacturer or even will order from some other firms to build engine for them (like lotus and mercury marine build it lt-5).
But all this is many years away so we can't say what can happen until then.
Now i don't see how gen v will be made as dohc and ohv. Heads are different..also pushrods in ohv engine goes through engine block ..and dohc engine doesn't need pushrods. Maybe block and heads will be different but GM will use same crankshaft, pistons, connecting rod etc?

And story about supra v6 with 900 hp..that is tunned and veeery expensive engine and you can't compare such engine with normal engine which must last 100+ thousand miles. It's like saying- yes but there is 427 billet ohv engine with capability of 8500 rpm and power of 1200 hp + supercharger.or v6 ohv from buick with 1000+ hp or something like that.This is not engine from normal car that cost 30 000+ dollars.

[AFSNightrod]

Actually the 2JZ 3.0 liter inline-six variants of the Supra are that good. They have been known to easily make 750hp on the stock internals. Supra motors have a rep for being nearly bulletproof. The huge power is from swapping the bolt-on components and the turbos. The engine itself handles it just fine. Shoot I'm all American, but I respect Toyotas reliability on their engines. 100K is barely broken in on a Supra.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

Anything else?

All I know, is located right here:
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1533

This was put up months and months ago. But apparently, it's still proving to be useful!

And I remember hearing/reading about the OHC/DOHC thing from that UAW/GM agreement that was put online. There was mention of "OHC/DOHC" GEN V

[dobbins67326]

Is there any speculation on when Gen V engines will be available? What are the advantages of Gen V on power/fuel economy?

[camaro5]

Here you go:

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4135