Will this latest round be the last era of the V8 american muscle cars? - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

JustinZS · 03-19-2008, 10:47 AM

I know that the doomsday predictions of the upcoming CAFE standards is overblown and all but are we maybe looking at a situation like the 70's where this wave of new Camaro, Challenger, and Mustang is going to be the last run of hi-po american muscle?

Are we going to see V6 versions of each of these cars going forward with may more frequent use of forced induction, or will cars like the Camaro and Challenger even possibly die off again :(

GothamCamaro · 03-19-2008, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by JustinZS

I know that the doomsday predictions of the upcoming CAFE standards is overblown and all but are we maybe looking at a situation like the 70's where this wave of new Camaro, Challenger, and Mustang is going to be the last run of hi-po american muscle?

Are we going to see V6 versions of each of these cars going forward with may more frequent use of forced induction, or will cars like the Camaro and Challenger even possibly die off again :(

If so, I will be proud to have one of the last batches of V8's for the Camaro. When kids speed by in their quiet hover boards and I'm an old man, I will tell them stories of the last great and mighty V8. Oh I will have their attention, I'm the old wise man in the V8 that thunders.

edbrick · 03-19-2008, 11:21 AM

This is going to be the same bullshit as Great Britain. The only guys with 8 cylinders will be the rich. The only V8's available will be low production premium price. I'm going to buy a vert and drive it till the wheels falls off.

*Mr. Wyndham* · 03-19-2008, 12:43 PM

Cars will become lighter. Engine displacement will shrink. Yes, there will be more widespread use of turbo systems. NO - The V8 is NOT going to die off, and NO - Performance will NOT go away this time around. This isn't the '70s...it's only a very similar time. Ethanol, electric drive. they had very little (if any) of that back then. And today, people (including the engineers) are much less apt to give up performance this time around.

Don't worry. Things will change - but they're not gonna change for the worse.

GothamCamaro · 03-19-2008, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Cars will become lighter. Engine displacement will shrink. Yes, there will be more widespread use of turbo systems. NO - The V8 is NOT going to die off, and NO - Performance will NOT go away this time around. This isn't the '70s...it's only a very similar time. Ethanol, electric drive. they had very little (if any) of that back then. And today, people (including the engineers) are much less apt to give up performance this time around.

Don't worry. Things will change - but they're not gonna change for the worse.

So you mean I won't be driving my Camaro around in the desert like Mad Max and trying to find Barter Town?!?!? Awww man... :(

*DGthe3* · 03-19-2008, 12:59 PM

I don't think that we will see round three of the muscle car wars. Odds are, in another 40 years there aren't going to be too many internal combuistion engines around, but then again, there is a good chance that the last gasoline powered ICE's that are mass produced will be OHV chevy small blocks.

But, hydrogen can be burned in a gasoline engine. So I'm sure that just like there are aftermarket parts for cars from the 60's availible today, I'm sure that there will be kits to allow our muscle cars to run on hydrogen for when gas stations disappear.

Lastly, even when cars are powered by fuel cells, I'm sure that GM will still offer high power, low cost cars.

stovt001 · 03-19-2008, 09:21 PM

The 70s didn't kill off the V8, and look how much more technologically advanced we are now. I think, as Dragon said, that cars and engines will shrink, but performance and V8s will remain. Then again, in the 70s they didn't have a majority of people believing in a ridiculous environmental lie forced on us by the government and their "green" corporate supporters.

Scotsman · 03-19-2008, 09:36 PM

Wow, everyone is so civil on this redundant subject. Keep it up guys.

V8's will definitely become more exclusive in the future more so than they are starting to become now. I think you'll see V8's relegated to the most high performance of options across various model lines in the future form here on out. There's a lot of talk of investing in turbocharged 4's and 6's, so I think you'll see a lot of new developments there. Personally, I'm curious to know what the limitations are in making 8's more fuel efficient?? Other weight saving measures will surely yield the biggest improvements as far is efficiency of any kind is concerned for the future.

Phantasm · 03-19-2008, 09:57 PM

Here's my take on things as I think they will play out. Anyone with more/better information please feel free to correct me.

The current and soon-to-be generations of V8 power may end (or severly wane) in about seven years as a result of the CAFE standards. However, soon after this decline, a company (like Coskata) will finally figure out a breakthough that will enable relatively cheap, renewable, eco-friendly fuel. This will in turn signal a resurgence in the musclecar wars, and the sixth gen Camaro will still be the baddest car on the block.

This may all be wishful thinking because I really want an internal combusion engine (the quiet nature of electric cars disturbs my soul), I would love a renewable domestic energy course to lessen our dependency on foreign oil, and, although I drive (and plan on buying again) a V8 RWD car, I would love a cleaner burning solution.

Thoughts?

Scotsman · 03-19-2008, 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phantasm

Here's my take on things as I think they will play out. Anyone with more/better information please feel free to correct me.

The current and soon-to-be generations of V8 power may end (or severly wane) in about seven years as a result of the CAFE standards. However, soon after this decline, a company (like Coskata) will finally figure out a breakthough that will enable relatively cheap, renewable, eco-friendly fuel. This will in turn signal a resurgence in the musclecar wars, and the sixth gen Camaro will still be the baddest car on the block.

This may all be wishful thinking because I really want an internal combusion engine (the quiet nature of electric cars disturbs my soul), I would love a renewable domestic energy course to lessen our dependency on foreign oil, and, although I drive (and plan on buying again) a V8 RWD car, I would love a cleaner burning solution.

Thoughts?

You're late on your news man not to mention slightly off; Coskata has already found a way to mass produce C85 (or celluslosic ethanol) and just last week a University in Massachusetts discovered a bacteria that will enable 75 billion gallons of cellulosic ethanol to be produced a year.

CaptianSam · 03-19-2008, 10:21 PM

the V8 will NEVER die BECAUSE this is north america a big mans, rich mans world, a commercial relativly empty economy and space... and long as there is big commercial trucks carrying around huge loads of stuff... then ther will be cars with those same engines... europe has no space left for building

The_Stache · 03-19-2008, 10:43 PM

No

SilverTurtle · 03-19-2008, 11:24 PM

no... and as long as there is an aftermarket, there will be LS7 powered Solstices and Skys running around, too... I was just talking to the wife last night about the idea of us getting a used base model Sky somewhere down the road and then putting a LS2/T56 combo in it... she laughed.

Emu the Foo · 03-20-2008, 01:08 AM

gas was running out then and running out now. we should tear apart alaska and get our oil. my friend lives there, he hates it. we will find oil some day. on a later thought did you guys know that 76 stations sale 101 octane??? i saw that today. ill post some pix tomorrow or friday

03-19-2008, 10:47 AM	#1
JustinZS Drives: waitin on 2010 !! Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: AZ Posts: 126	Will this latest round be the last era of the V8 american muscle cars? I know that the doomsday predictions of the upcoming CAFE standards is overblown and all but are we maybe looking at a situation like the 70's where this wave of new Camaro, Challenger, and Mustang is going to be the last run of hi-po american muscle? Are we going to see V6 versions of each of these cars going forward with may more frequent use of forced induction, or will cars like the Camaro and Challenger even possibly die off again :(

03-19-2008, 12:43 PM	#4
Mr. Wyndham I used to be Dragoneye... Drives: 2018 ZL1 1LE Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 31,876 View My Garage	Cars will become lighter. Engine displacement will shrink. Yes, there will be more widespread use of turbo systems. NO - The V8 is NOT going to die off, and NO - Performance will NOT go away this time around. This isn't the '70s...it's only a very similar time. Ethanol, electric drive. they had very little (if any) of that back then. And today, people (including the engineers) are much less apt to give up performance this time around. Don't worry. Things will change - but they're not gonna change for the worse. __________________ *"Keep the faith."* - Fbodfather

03-19-2008, 12:59 PM	#6
DGthe3 Moderator.ca Drives: 05 Grand Am GT Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Niagara, Canada Posts: 25,372	I don't think that we will see round three of the muscle car wars. Odds are, in another 40 years there aren't going to be too many internal combuistion engines around, but then again, there is a good chance that the last gasoline powered ICE's that are mass produced will be OHV chevy small blocks. But, hydrogen can be burned in a gasoline engine. So I'm sure that just like there are aftermarket parts for cars from the 60's availible today, I'm sure that there will be kits to allow our muscle cars to run on hydrogen for when gas stations disappear. Lastly, even when cars are powered by fuel cells, I'm sure that GM will still offer high power, low cost cars. __________________ Note, if I've gotten any facts wrong in the above, just ignore any points I made with them __________________ Originally Posted by FbodFather My sister's dentist's brother's cousin's housekeeper's dog-breeder's nephew sells coffee filters to the company that provides coffee to General Motors...... ........and HE WOULD KNOW!!!! __________________ Camaro Fest sub-forum

03-19-2008, 09:36 PM	#8
Scotsman Auto Pilot Drives: Gunmetal Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: L.A. Posts: 1,307	Wow, everyone is so civil on this redundant subject. Keep it up guys. V8's will definitely become more exclusive in the future more so than they are starting to become now. I think you'll see V8's relegated to the most high performance of options across various model lines in the future form here on out. There's a lot of talk of investing in turbocharged 4's and 6's, so I think you'll see a lot of new developments there. Personally, I'm curious to know what the limitations are in making 8's more fuel efficient?? Other weight saving measures will surely yield the biggest improvements as far is efficiency of any kind is concerned for the future. __________________ "Let the rest of the world dream of Ferraris, Lamborghinis and dinky little British two-seaters. In this country speed doesn't look like that." Got SS?

03-19-2008, 10:21 PM	#11
CaptianSam Car Garage Drives: 350z,A4,SRT8...see sig Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: north west Posts: 830	the V8 will NEVER die BECAUSE this is north america a big mans, rich mans world, a commercial relativly empty economy and space... and long as there is big commercial trucks carrying around huge loads of stuff... then ther will be cars with those same engines... europe has no space left for building __________________ 2012 2SS RS Ordered Black on Black 6 speed Coupe Artic Lid Stripes Yes I Supercharge Everything On My Ipad Xbox McLovin1515 Ps3 McLovin1555 Current Autos:68z28,03viperSRT10,04escalade,05RangeRoverSport SC Project Autos:80corvette350-500hp 6speed,06charger S'C 6-speed posi,74Firebird400blue,69chevelle572 707 New Autos:2012CamaroSSRS,09ChallengerSRT8 Past Autos:....too many to list "i told you it was gettin' an LS3" Go down deep enough into anything and you will find mathematics. Dean Schlicter B.Sc. Hons. Mathematics

03-19-2008, 11:21 AM	#3
edbrick Drives: 2009 GXP -2007 MustangGT--Wife Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Florida Space Coast Posts: 153	This is going to be the same bullshit as Great Britain. The only guys with 8 cylinders will be the rich. The only V8's available will be low production premium price. I'm going to buy a vert and drive it till the wheels falls off.

03-19-2008, 09:21 PM	#7
stovt001 Drives: 2006 Cobalt, 2004 Taurus wagon Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: California Posts: 3,812	The 70s didn't kill off the V8, and look how much more technologically advanced we are now. I think, as Dragon said, that cars and engines will shrink, but performance and V8s will remain. Then again, in the 70s they didn't have a majority of people believing in a ridiculous environmental lie forced on us by the government and their "green" corporate supporters.

03-19-2008, 09:57 PM	#9
Phantasm Drives: 2004 Pontiac GTO Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: VA Posts: 59	Here's my take on things as I think they will play out. Anyone with more/better information please feel free to correct me. The current and soon-to-be generations of V8 power may end (or severly wane) in about seven years as a result of the CAFE standards. However, soon after this decline, a company (like Coskata) will finally figure out a breakthough that will enable relatively cheap, renewable, eco-friendly fuel. This will in turn signal a resurgence in the musclecar wars, and the sixth gen Camaro will still be the baddest car on the block. This may all be wishful thinking because I really want an internal combusion engine (the quiet nature of electric cars disturbs my soul), I would love a renewable domestic energy course to lessen our dependency on foreign oil, and, although I drive (and plan on buying again) a V8 RWD car, I would love a cleaner burning solution. Thoughts?

03-19-2008, 10:43 PM	#12
The_Stache SoCal Race Team #13 Drives: 2010 1SS:RS:LS3:SW Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 1,803 View My Garage	No __________________ A.K.A - Diarmadhi (old handle) - So much to do.. So little money Owner : Fast-Stache Industries LLC

03-19-2008, 11:24 PM	#13
SilverTurtle Reality Check Specialist Drives: '02 Z28, 2012 45th SS Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: ATX Posts: 1,730	no... and as long as there is an aftermarket, there will be LS7 powered Solstices and Skys running around, too... I was just talking to the wife last night about the idea of us getting a used base model Sky somewhere down the road and then putting a LS2/T56 combo in it... she laughed. __________________ got tequila?

03-20-2008, 01:08 AM	#14
Emu the Foo Drives: 92 Cadillac Sedan DeVille S/C Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 328	gas was running out then and running out now. we should tear apart alaska and get our oil. my friend lives there, he hates it. we will find oil some day. on a later thought did you guys know that 76 stations sale 101 octane??? i saw that today. ill post some pix tomorrow or friday __________________ I JUST WANT MY 400+ HORSES

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