Video: 2012 Camaro ZL1 vs. 750 HP Red Devil 69 Camaro - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

Yenko boy · 07-27-2012, 04:42 PM

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On this episode of HOT ROD Unlimited, David Freiburger meets up with Pro Touring legend Mark Stielow to compare old and new Camaros head to head. Mark Stielow is a GM engineer with a long history of building vintage, street-worthy Camaros with amazing handling prowess. His latest is the Red Devil, a '69 model powered by a 427ci, supercharged LS9 that tops 750 hp and 800 lb-ft. It runs a six-speed trans and complete suspension from Detroit Speed, and has won a number of shootouts with similarly built Pro Touring cars. But can his modified muscle car outrun the technology of the Magnetic Ride suspension on the new, 580hp, 2012 Camaro ZL1? We head to GingerMan Raceway in South Haven, Michigan to find out.

I thought this was pretty cool...

KKreme15 · 07-27-2012, 04:45 PM

You beat me by 3 minutes!
1:42.0x at gingerman!

srt0739 · 07-27-2012, 04:51 PM

Exhaust and engine sound on both are great and love the flames exit the 69's exhaust at time 5:30 something on the vid.

drummer5679 · 07-27-2012, 04:51 PM

as he said, would like to see this done with the corvette.

Blueclyde · 07-27-2012, 05:15 PM

I'm thinking the ZL1 should have about 60 more hp.

hognutz · 07-27-2012, 05:28 PM

Love the pro touring camaro's but has someone that has priced building one you could not even think about it for the price of a ZL1.

427ci LS9 motor ???? ~20k+
Detroit speed front subfram 7.5k
quadralink rear 2.5k
tremec swap kit ~5k
forged wheels ~4k

needless to say lots of coin.

it is amazing how fast his car is though. when they did the optimum battery shootout he lapped a bit faster than the Z06 the optima batties brought.

I think the Z07 and Zr1 would give him a run but they both would till be down on power that car is hauling the mail.

hognutz · 07-27-2012, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Blueclyde

I'm thinking the ZL1 should have about 60 more hp.

could not agree more. The nice thing about that is pulley, tune, cai will pretty much get you there. then just need to upgrade the cooling.

Blueclyde · 07-27-2012, 05:35 PM

Do not want to lose my warranty. Kind of feel like GM should offer a kit for sale through dealers that gets 60hp without losing warranty. I'm willing to buy it and after spending 60k on the car kind of feel like they owe it to the folks that bought one. Then this totally badass car won't get smoked on the dragstrip or straightaways.

AZ-ZL1 · 07-27-2012, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Blueclyde

Do not want to lose my warranty. Kind of feel like GM should offer a kit for sale through dealers that gets 60hp without losing warranty. I'm willing to buy it and after spending 60k on the car kind of feel like they owe it to the folks that bought one. Then this totally badass car won't get smoked on the dragstrip or straightaways.

^^^ What he said. I want my warranty...for now

Come on GM, need a bump.

69NMYSS · 07-27-2012, 05:41 PM

Wow, that '69 just might be able to hang with mine

Russell James · 07-27-2012, 05:43 PM

That '69 should be the blueprint for the next Gen ZL1 or Z28. Smaller, lighter, more powerfull, more retro. Turn that '69 into a modern production car and the waiting list would start today.

Paulg680 · 07-27-2012, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Russell James

That '69 should be the blueprint for the next Gen ZL1 or Z28. Smaller, lighter, more powerfull, more retro. Turn that '69 into a modern production car and the waiting list would start today.

I agree 100%... I would do whatever it took to get one.

Taser Deployed · 07-27-2012, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Russell James

That '69 should be the blueprint for the next Gen ZL1 or Z28. Smaller, lighter, more powerfull, more retro. Turn that '69 into a modern production car and the waiting list would start today.

Put me first on the list!

AquaSSRS · 07-27-2012, 08:57 PM

Nice video. Really love the sound of the red devil.

PYROLYSIS · 07-27-2012, 09:11 PM

Wow. 2 fine examples of what a great Camaro should be. I don't know the man but im glad Mark Stielow is on our side.

Zee-Ell-One · 07-27-2012, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Russell James

That '69 should be the blueprint for the next Gen ZL1 or Z28. Smaller, lighter, more powerfull, more retro. Turn that '69 into a modern production car and the waiting list would start today.

Ya but is that bad ass 69' current emissions legal? Or only because it's exempt?

classicam · 07-27-2012, 10:04 PM

The ZL1 should be about a 1,000 lbs heavier, modern suspension is hard too beat.

Taser Deployed · 07-27-2012, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by PYROLYSIS

Wow. 2 fine examples of what a great Camaro should be. I don't know the man but im glad Mark Stielow is on our side.

+1

LimaCharlie · 07-28-2012, 12:19 AM

In case anyone is wondering, here are the specs on the Red Devil Camaro:

http://www.lateral-g.net/members/stielow/

Nathan Moreno · 07-28-2012, 01:58 AM

Killer Video

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On this episode of HOT ROD Unlimited, David Freiburger meets up with Pro Touring legend Mark Stielow to compare old and new Camaros head to head. Mark Stielow is a GM engineer with a long history of building vintage, street-worthy Camaros with amazing handling prowess. His latest is the Red Devil, a '69 model powered by a 427ci, supercharged LS9 that tops 750 hp and 800 lb-ft. It runs a six-speed trans and complete suspension from Detroit Speed, and has won a number of shootouts with similarly built Pro Touring cars. But can his modified muscle car outrun the technology of the Magnetic Ride suspension on the new, 580hp, 2012 Camaro ZL1? We head to GingerMan Raceway in South Haven, Michigan to find out.

DanSS24 · 07-28-2012, 02:33 AM

Loved the video...

sammyv · 07-28-2012, 06:51 AM

That was awesome! Didn't see anywhere the weight and hp of the 69?

RLHMARINES · 07-28-2012, 08:11 AM

Thanks, that was a great watch, really enjoyed the commentary and of course the on track action. Chevy Runs Deep, especially in corners.

LINMUP · 07-28-2012, 08:41 AM

Awsome video and you couldn't find a better car to compare to. I've been following Mark Stielows builds since his first car in 92 which won the Car Craft Real Street Shootout. The man is the god father of Pro Touring and builds the most amazing 69's in the world....and he can drive to boot.

brucedd · 07-28-2012, 04:45 PM

No mention of just how much is invested in the Red Devil. Any clue?

07-27-2012, 05:15 PM	#5
Blueclyde Drives: 2012 ZL1 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Northeast Metro Detroit Posts: 1,090	I'm thinking the ZL1 should have about 60 more hp. __________________ 2012 ZL1, GBA, M6, ECF, Black 10 Spokes

07-27-2012, 05:28 PM	#6
hognutz Drives: 2013 ZL1 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: tangent or Posts: 1,900	Love the pro touring camaro's but has someone that has priced building one you could not even think about it for the price of a ZL1. 427ci LS9 motor ???? ~20k+ Detroit speed front subfram 7.5k quadralink rear 2.5k tremec swap kit ~5k forged wheels ~4k needless to say lots of coin. it is amazing how fast his car is though. when they did the optimum battery shootout he lapped a bit faster than the Z06 the optima batties brought. I think the Z07 and Zr1 would give him a run but they both would till be down on power that car is hauling the mail. __________________ 2013 ZL1 2013 Dart 2004.5 Ram cummins

07-27-2012, 05:35 PM	#8
Blueclyde Drives: 2012 ZL1 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Northeast Metro Detroit Posts: 1,090	Do not want to lose my warranty. Kind of feel like GM should offer a kit for sale through dealers that gets 60hp without losing warranty. I'm willing to buy it and after spending 60k on the car kind of feel like they owe it to the folks that bought one. Then this totally badass car won't get smoked on the dragstrip or straightaways. __________________ 2012 ZL1, GBA, M6, ECF, Black 10 Spokes

07-27-2012, 05:41 PM	#10
69NMYSS Drives: '69 Camaro SS and '12 ZL1 Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: CA Posts: 1,249 View My Garage	Wow, that '69 just might be able to hang with mine __________________

07-27-2012, 08:57 PM	#14
AquaSSRS Drives: 2013 Ashen Gray ZL1 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Allentown, PA Posts: 243	Nice video. Really love the sound of the red devil. __________________ Stock, for now..

07-27-2012, 04:45 PM	#2
KKreme15 Drives: 2012 ZL1 #1274 - IOM Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Dayton, MD Posts: 1,481	You beat me by 3 minutes! 1:42.0x at gingerman!

07-27-2012, 04:51 PM	#3
srt0739 Drives: 2012 Camaro ZL1 Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Florida Posts: 39 View My Garage	Exhaust and engine sound on both are great and love the flames exit the 69's exhaust at time 5:30 something on the vid.

07-27-2012, 04:51 PM	#4
drummer5679 Drives: 2005 Infiniti G35 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Carrollton, TX Posts: 396	as he said, would like to see this done with the corvette.

07-27-2012, 05:43 PM	#11
Russell James Drives: '12 SS/RS LS3 IBM Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 3,316	That '69 should be the blueprint for the next Gen ZL1 or Z28. Smaller, lighter, more powerfull, more retro. Turn that '69 into a modern production car and the waiting list would start today.

07-27-2012, 09:11 PM	#15
PYROLYSIS Remember the Charleston 9 Drives: 2004 KME PREDATOR (Engine 24) Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: North Charleston SC Posts: 2,544 View My Garage	Wow. 2 fine examples of what a great Camaro should be. I don't know the man but im glad Mark Stielow is on our side. __________________ BRING BACK THE B4C POLICE CAMARO! 2002 V-6 5 speed rally red (current camaro) Also driven:1992 Z-28 305 auto Red w/ black stripes (anniversary), 2001 V-6 auto light pewter metallic,1991 RS V-6 auto Black

07-27-2012, 10:04 PM	#17
classicam Drives: 69 cam Join Date: May 2009 Location: fl Posts: 12	The ZL1 should be about a 1,000 lbs heavier, modern suspension is hard too beat.

07-28-2012, 12:19 AM	#19
LimaCharlie Drives: 2011 Camaro SS/RS - 2004 Silverado Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 2,083	In case anyone is wondering, here are the specs on the Red Devil Camaro: http://www.lateral-g.net/members/stielow/ __________________ 2011 Summit White Camaro 1SS/RS -6.2 LS3, TR6060, 3.45, G80 2004 Black Silverado 1500 2WD Regular Cab, Short Bed -5.3 LM7, 4L60E, 3.42, G80

07-28-2012, 02:33 AM	#21
DanSS24 Drives: myself crazy Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: 808 Posts: 740	Loved the video... __________________ I'd rather chase speeders and bad guys with a 1LE than my R/T Charger

07-28-2012, 06:51 AM	#22
sammyv Drives: 2013 red Lingenfelter ZL1 Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: zionsville IN Posts: 556	That was awesome! Didn't see anywhere the weight and hp of the 69?

07-28-2012, 08:11 AM	#23
RLHMARINES 1st Civ. Div. Drives: Supercharged ZL1 in the future Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Savannah, Ga Posts: 637	Thanks, that was a great watch, really enjoyed the commentary and of course the on track action. Chevy Runs Deep, especially in corners. __________________ Swift....Silent....Deadly

07-28-2012, 08:41 AM	#24
LINMUP Drives: 1982 Z28 Join Date: May 2012 Location: Durham Region Posts: 70	Awsome video and you couldn't find a better car to compare to. I've been following Mark Stielows builds since his first car in 92 which won the Car Craft Real Street Shootout. The man is the god father of Pro Touring and builds the most amazing 69's in the world....and he can drive to boot.

07-28-2012, 04:45 PM	#25
brucedd Account Suspended Drives: xxx Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: xxx Posts: 389	No mention of just how much is invested in the Red Devil. Any clue?