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Old 01-04-2013, 12:34 PM   #1
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Fun facts: Carbon Fiber versus Matte Finish....

OK -- after several million requests....

(...OK....I made that number up...)

........for the number of ZL1s built in the 2012 Model Year with the "clear" carbon fiber hood and the "Matte" finish hood --


I was able to finally get the numbers for you, our ZL1 Enthusiasts....



B92 Clear Carbon Fiber insert 1,548
Memo: plus "DSW" Stripe (241)

Matte Black Carbon Fiber insert 423
Memo: plus "DSX" Stripe (96)

Total 2012 ZL1 Production: 1,971



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Now - I KNOW what your next question is going to be:

"...OK, Fbod....so how many -oh -- say -- Victory Red ZL1s were produced??"



soooooo..........I asked one of our analysts and he told me:






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............I didn't like the 'tude he gave me...........


...so I asked our good friend Carl Fuderer...

(who happens to be a fellow Camaro/Firebird Enthusiast extraordinare)

(...and who happens to have the awful job of putting up with me every day at the office ...)

....to run the numbers and print out the report ...........






...all THREE HUNDRED AND SIXTY NINE PAGES OF THEM....



As you can see - this may take some time...................


Patience, please.......
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Old 01-04-2013, 12:40 PM   #2
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Old 01-04-2013, 12:57 PM   #3
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I changed my order last minute to exposed so I would get built! I should have stuck it out!
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Old 01-04-2013, 01:19 PM   #4
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First off, my sympathys to Carl for having to put up with you (at least on those rare occasions that you're actually in your office), and secondally, just PDF the entire 369 pages and post them here. !

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Old 01-04-2013, 01:32 PM   #5
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Great info! Thanks for posting! Looking forward to seeing the production numbers by color!!
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Old 01-04-2013, 01:33 PM   #6
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Why didnt they just build 1969 instead of 1971 given the ZL1 was only produced in 1969 with 69 of them avaliable??? That would have been sweet!
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Old 01-04-2013, 06:29 PM   #7
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,,,,numbers....arghhhh!!! LOL....I have the black matte painted CFI with the stripe package...so I am one of 96? And 423 had just the black matte painted CFI without the stripes? Go easy on me now....sometimes the obvious just goes by me like thin air..... And, I have victory red, it would be cool to find the breakdown by color/insert/stripe as well at some point.
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Old 01-04-2013, 06:51 PM   #9
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And 423 had just the black matte painted CFI without the stripes? Go easy on me now....sometimes the obvious just goes by me like thin air.....
No, I believe that since 423 (matte) and 1,548 (exposed) add up to the total of 1,971 inserts that means that there were a total of 423 matte inserts with 96 of those having the stripe and the other 327 did not have the stripe.
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Old 01-04-2013, 07:14 PM   #10
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Scott: Great Info - Will Be Interesting To See Color Breakdown - I Know That "Baby's" Going To Be A Low Color Number - I Still Get That "Rush Feeling" Everytime I Slid Into Those Seats
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Old 01-04-2013, 07:40 PM   #11
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Thanks for taking time to post :-)

Mine has the flat black hood, I originally ordered the B92, but to get in on first run, I had to drop that option. Glad I did now :-)

Thanks again!!
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Old 01-04-2013, 07:53 PM   #12
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This is actually easy to find, take your sheet and run queries against it and then see how many records you have for whatever your searching for.
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No, I believe that since 423 (matte) and 1,548 (exposed) add up to the total of 1,971 inserts that means that there were a total of 423 matte inserts with 96 of those having the stripe and the other 327 did not have the stripe.
..thanks for your input sir.....! Always appreciated!!!...for me and age it's returning to Robert Plant singing dazed and confused ...BTW I hope you are very happy with your ZL1 as I am with mine...
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Old 01-04-2013, 10:10 PM   #14
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..thanks for your input sir.....! Always appreciated!!!...for me and age it's returning to Robert Plant singing dazed and confused ...BTW I hope you are very happy with your ZL1 as I am with mine...
I am very happy with my ZL1. It meets my expectations in every way. I love the way it handles. I love its power. I love the feel of the shifter. I'm looking forward to getting past the break in period when I can really let it loose. My only compliant so far is that I don't have the opportunity to drive it as much as I would like. I'm looking forward to driving it down Highway 1 with the top down to Big Sur sometime in the Spring.

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Once again according to the plant in Canada there were 1954 2012 ZL1s built. 99 for Canada and 1855 for US, not 1971. This is according to the Vehicle Option Information Sheet. Along with the sheet comes the info on how many were produced in the color of your car.
If you want to get a VOIS there is a thread telling you how to go about it.

The correct number is 1971.

That includes EVERY ZL1 built - including Captive Test Fleets -- non-saleables - MVBs -- everything.

The question becomes "what is the TOTAL number? Total is everything.

You are correct in that 99 stayed in Canada.
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Old 01-05-2013, 08:12 AM   #16
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The correct number is 1971.

That includes EVERY ZL1 built - including Captive Test Fleets -- non-saleables - MVBs -- everything.

The question becomes "what is the TOTAL number? Total is everything.

You are correct in that 99 stayed in Canada.
Because I dont want to give out the wrong info I deleted my message. I was going by info i recieved from John Aqueci, Vintage Vehicle Serices Oshawa On. According to him there were 1855 built for US sale. 79 were in color GBE (CRT) and 1290 with MN6. He also says there were 1954 in total, which is how i came up with the 99 for Canada.
Again, sorry to have put out info that is wrong.
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Old 01-05-2013, 01:21 PM   #17
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So how many 2012 ZL1s were sequentially numbered? C9800001 to C98018__?

Is that where the 1885 number came from?
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So how many 2012 ZL1s were sequentially numbered? C9800001 to C98018__?

Is that where the 1885 number came from?
Nevermind, I found it. I am assuming that Becky is an authoritative source. In this post she announced the number of the last retail 2012 ZL1 built. "#1885"

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The correct number is 1971.

That includes EVERY ZL1 built - including Captive Test Fleets -- non-saleables - MVBs -- everything.

The question becomes "what is the TOTAL number? Total is everything.
So I'm assuming there are 1,885, sequentially numbered, 2012 ZL1s built for retail sale. That leaves 86 ZL1s built in 2012 that are not retail.
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...as Ben Franklin said..."believe half of what you see, and none of what you hear", I would like to ad an addendum to that....In Scott we trust,...all others must show proof....
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Because I dont want to give out the wrong info I deleted my message. I was going by info i recieved from John Aqueci, Vintage Vehicle Serices Oshawa On. According to him there were 1855 built for US sale. 79 were in color GBE (CRT) and 1290 with MN6. He also says there were 1954 in total, which is how i came up with the 99 for Canada.
Again, sorry to have put out info that is wrong.
Not to worry - one of the reasons it's taken so long to get the correct build numbers is that i keep asking and the reports I'd get were incorrect-- they LOOKED correct -- but then I'd go add up - say - the colors - and they would not add up to another number......

So - I finally had a conference call - with a few friends with "Distribution Experience" (...the people who actually have scheduled production and such...) -- and said:

"OK - I am looking for EVERY VIN that was created. I don't care if it was a 'non-saleable' car -- or if it was damaged beyond repair in the shipping yard. "Number of cars built" means exactly that!!.."

.... - and thus, the 1800+ number was a 'correct' number based on ZL1s from the beginning of "Regular Production" - the problem is that it didn't include the CTF vehicles and some show vehicles and press vehicles - many of which have been or will be 'retro-fitted' with new components and then sold as Used Company Vehicles.

(even my '12 CTF "Brother Ezekiel" -- aka "Bro Zeke" - who happens to be sitting at a Chevy Dealer in Ohio!)

.....so - that's why the number is higher than originally reported.

I have not yet sent these reports to GM-Canada - but will as I go thru the data and come up with the numbers that we're all looking for.

Lastly - the numbers will be provided to Mr. Mike Antonick - our good friend who publishes both "The Camaro White Book" and "The Corvette Black Book" - a publication that maintains historic data by model year.
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...as Ben Franklin said..."believe half of what you see, and none of what you hear", I would like to ad an addendum to that....In Scott we trust,...all others must show proof....



God Bless ya!

I'd like to say that I'm always right - but I happen to know that I'm not - nobody is ever right 100 percent of the time....

I just don't think that some people know that I work for GM and am a part of the great group of Men and Women who design, engineer, build and sell these legendary Automobiles......
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Nevermind, I found it. I am assuming that Becky is an authoritative source. In this post she announced the number of the last retail 2012 ZL1 built. "#1885"

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpo...04&postcount=2



So I'm assuming there are 1,885, sequentially numbered, 2012 ZL1s built for retail sale. That leaves 86 ZL1s built in 2012 that are not retail.

Becky was conditionally right - and guess where she got the number?

Me. She called me and asked me and I gave it to her - this was wayyyy back in late summer as I recall....

I looked at the Regular Production ZL1s to come up with that number - and so she was 'right' -

....but if you are looking for the TOTAL number of ZL1s built --- as I mentioned above - including "non-saleables" (very early cars built on the assembly line) and MVB Saleables and CTF - the number is actually 1971.

Now - let me also say that the Non-Saleables and some of the MVB Saleables and CTFs will never be sold - for any number of reasons, we'll choose to scrap them
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...and to that end Scott you and the Team are loyal, dedicated, and commited to the Camaro brand, and will bring to us the best product within your power no doubt. As we move onward, the road is clear, the sky is bright..., and the possibilities are endless (within GOV and EPA mandates/regulations). I for one am looking forward to new builds and the evolution of the Camaro line. Thanks to you guys for all your efforts. You are exceeding our wildest dreams.
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Old 01-05-2013, 11:23 PM   #24
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Scott,

As I have asked you before this question, I appeciate your efforts with collecting this data.Can't wait to hear the color combos next. Thanks Again!
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Old 01-06-2013, 12:54 AM   #25
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Thanks Scott... so by the way, how many LS7 powered Camaros have been built so far?
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