Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com
 
Hines Performance (HPE)
Go Back   Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com > General Camaro Forums > 5th Gen Camaro SS LS LT General Discussions

5th Gen Camaro SS LS LT General Discussions General 5th generation Camaro topics not covered by other subforums.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 02-06-2013, 06:27 PM   #1
ThaCamaroKid
 
ThaCamaroKid's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS L99
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Royse City Tx.
Posts: 483
Camaro 1LE vs Mustang GT track pack (Motortrend)


Featured on Camaro5 HOMEPAGE


Okay so for saving time if you just want to see the part I thought was funny skip to 12:35 to 13:15 cracked me up, then you can watch the whole video later ENJOY!

"Its not just a victory for Chevy, Ford got their ass kicked"

The original review/discussion thread is @ http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=268689


__________________

375RWHP/399RWTQ
ThaCamaroKid is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-07-2013, 12:10 PM   #2
1CamaroSS
 
1CamaroSS's Avatar
 
Drives: 2011 Camaro 1SS Inferno Orange
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Brandon, SD
Posts: 323
It may be a repost but I must have missed it before! Thanks for sharing.
__________________
2011 IOM 1SS, M6, Hurst Short throw, Volant CAI, Rally Strips, Gills, Custom Engine cover, tint

1CamaroSS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-07-2013, 04:18 PM   #3
jameslk55

 
jameslk55's Avatar
 
Drives: 2012 2LT/RS, 2005 SLK55 AMG
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Falls Church, VA
Posts: 1,168
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThaCamaroKid View Post
Okay so for saving time if you just want to see the part I thought was funny skip to 12:35 to 13:15 cracked me up, then you can watch the whole video later ENJOY!

"Its not just a victory for Chevy, Ford got their ass kicked"
Thanks for the post. I read the article but did not see the video yet.

Loose car, lol. Now we know which one is Monica.

Quote:
Originally Posted by karguy View Post
In all fairness they should have put the 1LE against a Boss 302 and M3 or call of the whole thing...
Ford declined-three times. Too bad.
jameslk55 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-07-2013, 04:24 PM   #4
Fenderaddict2

 
Fenderaddict2's Avatar
 
Drives: '12 Boss, '65 Mustang FB, '64 Strat
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Oakville
Posts: 1,722
Quote:
Originally Posted by jameslk350 View Post
Ford declined-three times. Too bad.
makes sense, the car is finished. Maybe if the 1LE and Boss had come to the table at the same time...sadly that never happens with Mustang and Camaro.

Ford builds a car. If it does well, GM responds by building a better one. Been that way since the beginning really...
__________________





What's next?
Fenderaddict2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2013, 07:42 AM   #5
stikSS
9691 & 97586
 
stikSS's Avatar
 
Drives: '10 Camaro SS and 2LT
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Cameron, NC
Posts: 2,799
When you look at the comparison... they're basically comparing optional equipment which is the 2 track packs. The remainder is the same as it has been in recent years.

In this video... I see suspension being the dominator between the 2, not so much a power to weight ratio like many other arguments. If Ford has any intentions of making up ground.. they need to invest time and research in handling like Chevy did with the ZL1 and it'll become a better track race. Now... Chevy did do themselves a favor with the 3.91 gear and better tires... that showed on the straightline race itself.
stikSS is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2013, 08:35 AM   #6
b4z

 
Drives: '06 Pontiac GTO M6, '09 V8 SRX RWD
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Charleston, SC
Posts: 1,214
I believe the 1le is quicker than the boss 302 or even the Laguna sedan. 3 seconds a lap on a short course is an eternity.

Also "tank slapper" is a term that I've had heard used for cars sideways as well.

Every time I drive or ride in a camaro the lack of visibility drives me crazy. It looks cool but chevy got that part of the Camaro all wrong.
b4z is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2013, 08:49 AM   #7
06_warrior

 
06_warrior's Avatar
 
Drives: 2012 1SS LS3 M6 black on black :)
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Florida
Posts: 1,320
Quote:
Originally Posted by b4z View Post
I believe the 1le is quicker than the boss 302 or even the Laguna sedan. 3 seconds a lap on a short course is an eternity.

Also "tank slapper" is a term that I've had heard used for cars sideways as well.

Every time I drive or ride in a camaro the lack of visibility drives me crazy. It looks cool but chevy got that part of the Camaro all wrong.
The visibility is not bad at all in the 5th gen. Camaro. The only down side for me has been backing out of an angled parking spot but then i use my back up camera and it's not that bad at all.
06_warrior is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2013, 08:52 AM   #8
Norm Peterson
corner barstool sitter
 
Norm Peterson's Avatar
 
Drives: 08 Mustang GT, 10 Legacy 2.5GT, ...
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Eastern Time Zone
Posts: 2,526
Quote:
Originally Posted by b4z View Post
Also "tank slapper" is a term that I've had heard used for cars sideways as well.
Tail snapping from sideways one way to sideways the other (and maybe repeat) is the way I've always understood it for cars.



kg - FWIW, damping is the correct term. The topic is "damped vibrations", not "dampened vibrations" which suggests that somehow a vibration is getting wet like what you do to a washcloth.

But I agree with the point about how last year's hero (in any of these comparos) always tends to become this years doggie-doo if they don't come out on top again.


What I'd take away from that comparison is
(1) the P Zero isn't nearly as good at this as the GY G.2 when the chips are really down, and
(2) that 255 tires and 9" wheels are a little on the narrow side even though the Mustang is a little lighter than the Camaro on its 285s and 10"/11" wheels.

Further, I doubt that Ford would deny that the GT suspension tuning gives away a fair bit to the Boss / Boss LS that they refused to supply.


Norm

Last edited by Norm Peterson; 02-11-2013 at 09:25 AM.
Norm Peterson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2013, 09:48 AM   #9
tramtwo


 
tramtwo's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 1LE
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: N'Awlinz
Posts: 6,562
If this car was any cooler I'd need to drive it wearing a coat.
__________________
tramtwo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2013, 10:38 AM   #10
TJ91
:chevy:
 
TJ91's Avatar
 
Drives: 2LT/RS
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Toronto
Posts: 12,507
Man I love the 1LE

Thanksfor posting. Great review. Although wouldve loved to see it against the BOSS just so the Stang fans wouldnt have an excuse. But VIR times prove the 1LE is a beast
__________________
CAMARO
Consult your doctor before taking Camaro
Side effects include Sudden increase in Heart Rate, Insomnia and occasional hallucinations
If you experience Permagrin exceeding 4 hours after taking Camaro, seek immediate Camaro5 Help
CAMARO Bringing excitment back into the Garage
TJ91 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2013, 11:34 AM   #11
ThaCamaroKid
 
ThaCamaroKid's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS L99
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Royse City Tx.
Posts: 483
Quote:
Originally Posted by karguy View Post
Lieberman from Motor Trend is such a joke.
Goes around the track at a 5/10th pace and talks about damping instead or dampening or a tank slapper which you can have only on a motorcycle if the front wheel goes lock to lock...
Last year the 5.0 was "americas M3" this year it is a P.O.S...
In all fairness they should have put the 1LE against a Boss 302 and M3 or call of the whole thing...
Besides that 99% of the customers cars will never see a track or the drivers will have Lieberman's abilities...
So track tests like this or the Lightning Lap are interesting to watch but really don't have much meaning in the real world...
That takes nothing away from the fact that the Camaro is a much better track car with more torque but 3 extra cams and 16 extra valves egalize 1200cc displacement.
Makes you wonder what a 6.2 L LS-3 with 4 overhead cams and 32 valves could do ?!
I think they did this comparison right,
A 1SS with the 1LE package cost 36.5k NO other options included
A base GT with the Track package cost 34k NO other options included
A base M3 cost 60k, before add their 'competition package' ( 2.5k )

(the base 1SS is noticeably much better equipped than the Base GT, If you want Brembo's for the GT it's another $1,700)

As for the Boss 302, if I am not mistaken Ford has stopped producing them? You can no longer 'build' the car on their website, regardless the 1LE ran around VIR in a 2.58.34, the 302 LS ran a 3.02.80
Willow Springs 1LE 1.22.7, 302 LS ran a 1.26.10

Only two tracks I found common times on, and the 302 Boss as stated by somebody else is close to a 50k car? with no back seats, That is Corvette territory....

So in my opinion this comparison was spot on as far as 'fairness'

However to all their own opinion
__________________

375RWHP/399RWTQ

Last edited by ThaCamaroKid; 02-11-2013 at 11:54 AM.
ThaCamaroKid is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2013, 12:30 PM   #12
Phantom.5SS
Hell yeah I'm Guilty.....
 
Phantom.5SS's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 2-SS ABM NON-RS
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Colonie, NY
Posts: 1,253
"Mustang is the more mature gentleman" if by that you mean old, outdated and failing in looks and health..then you sir are CORRECT..LOL


Thanks to the OP for the post...always fun to watch cars romp around the track no matter who makes them! :-)
__________________
Phantom.5SS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2013, 12:58 PM   #13
swizlstik

 
swizlstik's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 ZL1 Blue Ray Metallic
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Lexington, SC
Posts: 1,879
Can't wait to see a 1LE in the wild!
__________________
swizlstik is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2013, 01:00 PM   #14
scubadoo7
Airborne Recondo
 
scubadoo7's Avatar
 
Drives: Crystal Red 2SS 1LE
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Fairfax Station Va.
Posts: 856
Quote:
Originally Posted by swizlstik View Post
Can't wait to see a 1LE in the wild!
There are several of those beasts right here in Virginia.
__________________
scubadoo7 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2013, 01:13 PM   #15
ssmike
Missing Big Red
 
ssmike's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 Equinox CRT
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Buffalo, NY
Posts: 6,251
What a great review! I especially enjoyed his last comment, "Ford got it's ass kicked!" lol!
ssmike is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2013, 01:43 PM   #16
BH1
 
Drives: 2010 2SS LS3
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: McKinney, TX
Posts: 39
I thought the comparison was right on the mark. Iím unsure why they want to compare the 1LE to the Boss; as a direct competitor. The 1LE is a track pack SS. It shares the same engine with the SS; add suspension upgrades, better gearing and tires. The same goes for the Track Pack Mustang 5.0.

The Boss has a reworked engine, and exhaust, with an underrated 440hp. Should the Z28 (with LS7) come to fruition, this would be a better comparison to the Boss IMO.

One thing did confuse me. They kept saying the Camaro had taller gearing. We all know it comes with 3.91 gears. Correct me if Iím wrong, but doesnít the 5.0 track pack come with 3.73ís?
BH1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2013, 02:00 PM   #17
The IOM Ninja
Account Suspended
 
Drives: 10' IOM 2SS/RS, 13' GB Shelby GT500
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Sherwood Park, AB
Posts: 2,195
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThaCamaroKid View Post
I think they did this comparison right,
A 1SS with the 1LE package cost 36.5k NO other options included
A base GT with the Track package cost 34k NO other options included
A base M3 cost 60k, before add their 'competition package' ( 2.5k )

(the base 1SS is noticeably much better equipped than the Base GT, If you want Brembo's for the GT it's another $1,700)

As for the Boss 302, if I am not mistaken Ford has stopped producing them? You can no longer 'build' the car on their website, regardless the 1LE ran around VIR in a 2.58.34, the 302 LS ran a 3.02.80
Willow Springs 1LE 1.22.7, 302 LS ran a 1.26.10

Only two tracks I found common times on, and the 302 Boss as stated by somebody else is close to a 50k car? with no back seats, That is Corvette territory....

So in my opinion this comparison was spot on as far as 'fairness'

However to all their own opinion
The GT Track Pack comes with Brembo's and you're correct the 302 is a two year production car so there will be no 2014 Boss 302...

Quote:
Originally Posted by BH1 View Post
I thought the comparison was right on the mark. I’m unsure why they want to compare the 1LE to the Boss; as a direct competitor. The 1LE is a track pack SS. It shares the same engine with the SS; add suspension upgrades, better gearing and tires. The same goes for the Track Pack Mustang 5.0.

The 1LE is technically late to the party if it wants/wanted to be true competition to the Boss 302, it should have been out a year ago, Ford stopped production of the Boss and therefore the 1LE is as you said a much better match with the Track Pack GT, regardless of how it out performs it.

The Boss has a reworked engine, and exhaust, with an underrated 440hp. Should the Z28 (with LS7) come to fruition, this would be a better comparison to the Boss IMO.

I disagree with the statement that and LS7 Z28 would be a Boss Competitor, the LS7 is pumping out 505 Horsepower (it would be less in the Camaro just as the LS3 is less in the Camaro) the Roadrunner Engine isn't that underrated

One thing did confuse me. They kept saying the Camaro had taller gearing. We all know it comes with 3.91 gears. Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t the 5.0 track pack come with 3.73’s?
The Track Pack GT does have 3.73

I take mag comparisons for what they are; an entertaining read. I'll believe something when a 1LE and Boss 302 are on the same track with equal drivers in a real life situation not a mag comparison.
The IOM Ninja is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2013, 03:13 PM   #18
b4z

 
Drives: '06 Pontiac GTO M6, '09 V8 SRX RWD
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Charleston, SC
Posts: 1,214
Ive posted this before in another thread but some of you old timers may remember the M/T test in 1982 at the same Willow Springs of the brand new camaro with 145 hp against the 157 hp Mustang GT. The mustang GT ruled the acceleration runs, but the Camaro was 2.8 seconds faster! And now we have the Camaro 3 seconds faster! Which i think is an even worse beating than in 1982 because what it tells me is the Mustang is very old school and not developed(except for its engine). But in 1982 the performance guys didnt care the camaro handled better.. the mustang could 0-60 in 6.9 secs and the camaro was 8.5 secs.
but i never saw another 157hp mustang run 0-60 in 6.9 secs. i think they were 8 second cars and the camaro was a 9 second car.
I had 4 third gen camaros and the mustang was not even in the same league in handling. My feeling in 2013 is the same as 1982. The Camaro chassis is just better.
b4z is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2013, 03:17 PM   #19
Thrillz


 
Thrillz's Avatar
 
Drives: 2012 Charger R/T / 2012 Dodge Ram
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Ontario
Posts: 2,547
Great review still wish they had the Boss instead though. Dam those rims on them mustang are fugly.
__________________
Quote of the year, from 6.1hemi:
"I just wanted to type some junk cause I am having some beers and I really like cars."

Last edited by Thrillz; 02-12-2013 at 02:58 AM.
Thrillz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2013, 03:19 PM   #20
b4z

 
Drives: '06 Pontiac GTO M6, '09 V8 SRX RWD
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Charleston, SC
Posts: 1,214
And they didnt even talk about how much more relaxed the camaro is at hwy speeds with its taller gearing. Id take a 1le on a long hwy trip long before id go in a mustang with 3.73s and a short top gear.
b4z is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2013, 03:22 PM   #21
AZCamaroFan
Coming Soon
 
AZCamaroFan's Avatar
 
Drives: Camaros
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Phoenix
Posts: 17,885
"not even the same class of vehicle"


it was amazing to me. they did a GT track pack vs. BMW M3 test a year or so back and they were right on top of each other.
now the Camaro 1LE obliterate's the GT on the track.
they seemed to worship the mustang just a short time ago, now they've got all sorts of criticisms. auto journalists. so consistent.
AZCamaroFan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2013, 05:31 PM   #22
djsnoflake
Faith Keeper
 
djsnoflake's Avatar
 
Drives: 2012 Silverado LTZ, 2010 2SS/RS
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Saskatoon, Saskatchewan Canada
Posts: 2,791
I got the chance to drive the shit out of a 1LE at Spring Mountain Motorsports while I was taking the level 1 ZR-1 course.

The 1LE is simply amazing, if you were blindfolded, you wouldn't be able to tell that a stock SS and the 1LE were on the same chassis. What they should actually do is get rid of the 1LE designation and just make the pack standard for the SS. I spent 2 days driving ZR-1 Corvettes and the 1LE gave me just as big a smile. (Not saying it is anywhere near as good, but a VERY enjoyable car to throw in the corners)
__________________

Quote:
Originally Posted by fbodfather View Post
.........we are far from finished.................
djsnoflake is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2013, 07:18 PM   #23
amizz10
 
amizz10's Avatar
 
Drives: Weapon X
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: west hempstead, N.Y
Posts: 195
Did anyone else have a smile on their face the whole time this video was playing or was it just me. Camaro FTW
__________________

2011 camaro RS/SS M6 (weaponX)
CAI Cold Air Intake, american racing LT headers, x-pipe, high flow cats and full 3inch exhaust, Cam, VDP Tune.
amizz10 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2013, 07:22 PM   #24
Norm Peterson
corner barstool sitter
 
Norm Peterson's Avatar
 
Drives: 08 Mustang GT, 10 Legacy 2.5GT, ...
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Eastern Time Zone
Posts: 2,526
Quote:
Originally Posted by b4z View Post
Ive posted this before in another thread but some of you old timers may remember the M/T test in 1982 at the same Willow Springs of the brand new camaro with 145 hp against the 157 hp Mustang GT. The mustang GT ruled the acceleration runs, but the Camaro was 2.8 seconds faster! And now we have the Camaro 3 seconds faster! Which i think is an even worse beating than in 1982 because what it tells me is the Mustang is very old school and not developed(except for its engine). But in 1982 the performance guys didnt care the camaro handled better.. the mustang could 0-60 in 6.9 secs and the camaro was 8.5 secs.
but i never saw another 157hp mustang run 0-60 in 6.9 secs. i think they were 8 second cars and the camaro was a 9 second car.
I had 4 third gen camaros and the mustang was not even in the same league in handling. My feeling in 2013 is the same as 1982. The Camaro chassis is just better.
The Fox-body Mustang had a rear suspension much like the 1979 Chevy Malibu that I used to have, which in stock form wasn't anything to write home about either. No wonder the Camaro came out on top in that comparison.

This time around, there's too much difference in tires and in tire and wheel widths to ignore, and I seriously doubt that a Track-pack Mustang GT suspension is as hardcore as the 1LE's.


Norm
Norm Peterson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2013, 07:25 PM   #25
oldfriend


 
oldfriend's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 SS BLK IO interior
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: 32*38' 49N. 16*55'42W
Posts: 7,000
Quote:
Originally Posted by b4z View Post
I believe the 1le is quicker than the boss 302 or even the Laguna sedan. 3 seconds a lap on a short course is an eternity.

Also "tank slapper" is a term that I've had heard used for cars sideways as well.

Every time I drive or ride in a camaro the lack of visibility drives me crazy. It looks cool but chevy got that part of the Camaro all wrong.
That's only your opinion , right ?
__________________
2010 BLK 2SS RS IO
oldfriend is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:26 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.