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Old 04-05-2013, 05:37 PM   #1
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2013 2SS 1LE Build Log

Hey Guys, I'm cross posting on here from diymobileaudio.com. I'm a huge audio fanatic, and from the looks of it, probably a bit more fanatical than most on here.

As the build is in progress I'll be posting pics and explanations as I go along... feel free to ask questions.

My interests in musical reproduction is all about life like concert quality sound. Iím not a huge spl fan unless the performance calls for it. Iím not a huge ďgentle and docileĒ fan unless the music calls for it. What I've found in my experience with car audio is that itís really dang hard to create a system that can have huge dynamics and great tonality, staging, etc. Almost always, these two are at combat with each other. The products I have chosen for this build I believe will get me exactly what I am looking for - both great dynamics, killer impact and good staging and tonality.

A couple shots of the car for good measure:











(oh my, how did she get in here... woops... )

So, letís do a quick rundown of whatís going in...

Headunit - Factory Deck (completely integrated touch screen)

Processor - Audison BitOne (ole faithful for me )

Speakers:
Tweets - ID Mini Horn Bodies mated to BMS 4552nd Neo Compression Drivers
Midrange - Audax PR170MO
Midbass - JBL 2206h (hoping to do them ported)
Subs - 2 -AE SBP15 (running IB )

Amps:
Mosconi A Class - Horns
Mosconi AS 200.4 - Midbasses bridged
Mosconi AS 200.4 - Subs (bridged) and Mids

Wiring:
Streetwires D-Blocks/Fuse holders
Knu Concepts Fleks cable OFC power Wires
Stinger Twisted speaker wires
Knu Concepts Krystal rca Interconnects

Deadening:
Sound deadener Showdown:
⅛Ē Closed Cell Foam
⅛: Mass Loaded Vinyl
CLD Tiles
3M Thinsulate
Butyl Rope

-this should be pretty fantastic
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Old 04-05-2013, 05:39 PM   #2
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So you're just using the MyLink head unit?
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Old 04-05-2013, 05:41 PM   #3
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Prior to getting this car, I thought for sure I was done with this hobby... that lasted all of about 3 weeks, but it was enough time for me to donate my build supplies and misc materials that I had in the garage to other people that could benefit. After driving this car for approximately 1 hour, I decided that the factory Boston system wasn't going to cut it. That meant I also need to reacquire all the stuffs that I need to complete the install.

Over the last couple of weeks, all of my gear has been coming in. One of the more exciting (to me) things I was looking forward to was all the deadening supplies I ordered from Don at SDS. (quick note about Don: heís super helpful, straight shooter, and if you tell him what you are looking for and expecting, heíll get you all the right stuff - great customer service from this guy!) Why was I looking forward to it? Well, this car is loud. Some of it is on purpose (the exhaust is heavenly), the other is because the factory saw it fit to not treat the car at all. Which I suppose is fine, as the car is supposed to be ďfastĒ and we donít need to unnecessarily weigh it down.

However, when I want to, I want to cruise in silence. I want to car to be tomb like. And from the factory, itís waay too noisy. Today, we commenced the start of this build, focusing first on the quieting of the car.

For half the day, I was able to remove all necessary interior trim (minus the carpet - have to do that tomorrow), drop the headliner, and get started on getting the car quiet. ( I will say, working on Chevy interiors is a breeze compared to BMW's... wow!)

For the headliner, Don recommended 25% coverage with the cld Tiles, and then to treat the entire roof with 3M Thinsulate.

The roof at 25% coverage:



and a quick video... this is the first time I heeded the 25% coverage rule. I always thought that you have to cover everything, and this is simply not true, and it also makes for a very expensive waste of money. The video is with 4 tiles on one side of the roof, and then nothing on the other. I was quite surprised at how much just a few tiles can do: (click to play)



Now from the factory, the headliner did some with something... seemed like a stiff batting (like the material used in quilts or pillows). Iím not certain it really did anything, but hereís a quick comparo with the Thinsulate and the factory solution.





And finally, I got the roof completely covered with the 3M material. Looks so purty



Since I'm not doing anything with the A-Pillars, I threw in a few squares of CLD, and also included some Thinsulate and put them back in the car as well:





And one final video after I got the headliner back up and buttoned everything up: (click to play)



I'm quite impressed with the results. All told, time spent actually deadening and laying down the Thinsulate was probably about 30 -45 minutes... it took me as much time just to button up the headliner once it was done. And the results that come from just a quick bit of work.. Like I said, I'm surprised. I hope when it comes to driving, that this translates into real world value.
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Old 04-05-2013, 05:44 PM   #4
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While the headliner was down, I took the opportunity to run my DRC wire - give you guys a sneak peak as to where the remote is going to be installed:





I also got to take a peak at the rear quarter panels, which is where I was planning on building some enclosures for the JBL midbasses. While I’m happy to finally confirm there should be enough room, I’m nervous about the complexity of the build out of these boxes. I will be doing some trimming of the sheet metal to open up the cavity, to give me more mounting depth as well as usable volume. There should be plenty of space when we are done, and the hope is that this will all allow the factory panel to be reinstalled and back in place as intended from the factory, just with a modified section for a grill.





Lastly, (and this will take some time) but I started to strip down the AS200.4’s paint. The A-Class is a brushed aluminum. The silver looking paint wasn’t matching, nor is it of any good quality.

Here’s a few amp guts for you guys:





Getting prepped for removing the finish:



And the start of the process:

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k, guys... not much to show for all the work I did today. the only thing I got out of this was a sore ass back

This weekend's work came with a hard stop. I needed to be able to drive the car tomorrow, so I was really feeling the pressure with the deadening that I was doing. The goal for the weekend was to get the roof and pillars done, as well as run the DRC wire, and USB cable for the Bitone, reroute some wiring to make way for the horns on both kickpanels, and lastly, to deaden the floor... all needing to be buttoned up and capable of driving by tomorrow.

I started early this morning, and didn't finish until 9 tonight.

After freaking out about the carpet, I finally had everything squared away to get started with the deadening.



I first rerouted the wires on both sides of the kickpanels... this is how they come:



moving them up and out of the way enables me to get the horns really wide, and pushed back pretty far as well...





I was thinking about trimming this piece as well, to get the horns wider, but the recess, and the small diameter of the neo compression drivers allows me to get the horn mouth (vertical portion) almost flat with the body of the car, just aft of the kick panel recess. I'm looking forward to getting these hung.

Now, because of the time crunch I didn't really take any shots except for two progress shots... It ain't pretty as it is mid progress, but when each side was finally completed, I do believe I'll hear some noticeable results.





Carpet, front seats and center console are now back in the car, and I took the car for a spin tonight. It feels good to drive it again.

Last shot is where I put the usb for the bitone. It replaces a factory 12v outlet, so that made this pretty darn easy.

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Old 04-05-2013, 05:47 PM   #6
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Next up, I needed to figure out a way to take advantage of all this extra airspace. What I settled on was card board templates, that I would use to form a fiberglass mold. In using cardboard, I ensured that I wasn't butting up my fiberglass mold right against other panels, which then allows me the ability to insulate the enclosure with some foam... i'll probably use some extra 1/8" ccf I have, that way if the box ever does come into contact with another panel, resonances will not be something I'll be worried about...

First, the templates of the exterior wall:



and then taped in:





then I started applying cardboard walls, with tape to make the form for my mold:





before pulling them out, I used a sharpie on the outside of the boxes to determine where i should cut the molds to bring them flush to the interior metal parts. once this was done, I carefully pulled them out and reinforced them from the outside:



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Old 04-05-2013, 05:48 PM   #7
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after getting all my supplies together for the fiberglassing, I started to tear into it.



and then after a few layers of chop mat, I laid them out in the sun to cure:



I'll more than likely use some wood bracing to increase the structural strength of the glass. I know there are a lot of flat areas, but I wanted to maximize the amount of airspace that I was able to get ... I wasn't sure if I'd be able to hit my volume goal... (later you'll see this will be more than attainable )

while those were curing, I turned my attention to the rear quarter panel plastics... I needed to make an opening for the midbasses, and I also wanted to see what type of internal airspace I would be working with. I taped off the panels following the stock contours of the panel and used my dremel to cut it out.



once done, i sized it up against the 12" speaker, just to see what i'd be working with as far as available speaker mounting, and whether or not it'd be playing into the plastic at all... it looks like i made the opening just right.



one last thing to do, and that was to install the plastic to look at internal volume ... i'm happy to say I think I have more than enough...





the next few pictures I took as a "panaramic" type shot, (mostly for my conceptualization of how i'm going to finish this) and it goes all around the interior like a circle...















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Old 04-05-2013, 05:48 PM   #8
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and at this point, we are all caught up... i'm in my afternoon break period now, but will get started in a bit and will post as I go along. cheers
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So you're just using the MyLink head unit?
yep, from what i understand it outputs a full low level signal without any eq. I'll run this directly into the Bitone, which I'm using for my processing. Besides, I don't see any reason in messing with the HU... it's tightly integrated, and losing that would mean a lot of additional cost just to get a HU that does the same thing.
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Definitely going to be following your build. I'm not much of an audiophile, but damn those rear speakers look good.
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Definitely going to be following your build. I'm not much of an audiophile, but damn those rear speakers look good.
my whole build is a bit unusual actually...

back in the early 90's, a lot of the sound off competitors were using High Efficiency drivers, including Horn Loaded Compression Drivers. This is what I'll be using in my build... speakers specifically designed for Live Sound, Outdoor events, concerts, etc....

they do really well in a car, and reproduce music very easily and efficiently. Picture going to a live concert... the kick drum... not the low bass, but the snare hit, the tom hits, and the kick drum... it hits you in the chest... hard. my goal is to reproduce that feeling in the car... and it can't be done with just subs... hence, why Ill be using 12" midbass drivers.
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Old 04-05-2013, 09:49 PM   #12
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Alright guys, time to wrap it up for the night

The passenger side quarter panel cured first, so I trimmed it up, tore off the cardboard (the stuff that I could), and then test fitted... looks pretty good. I need to hit it with a few more layers, but will do that after it's joined with the rest of the box.





I trimmed up the passenger plastic panel, and then inserted in the car for a test fit....



tomorrow, I'll spend some time masking both areas, and then starting on the rest of the mold.
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This last portion is the one that I'm most proud of for some reason... I think it will look dope when it's all finished, and I took my time to make sure the pieces were all fitting right and working together the way they were supposed to.

I turned my attention to the "Central Command" panel, which is the over head unit. This contains the over head light, a mic for voicecommand and phone calls, home link garage buttons, and some stupid light that tells me whether or not the passenger side airbag is on... (as a side note, i don't even know why the law requires this... it's not like I care... I'm in the drivers side. Tell me if mine isn't working, you know.....)

Anyway... here is the unit with the light assembly already taken out:



after removing the airbag module and masking the unit and the DRC...





after trimming a bit carefully, I think this is the angle I'm going to go with. I was wanting to angle it towards the driver some, but I think this works, and is symmetrical as well...



I used one of the factory mounts that come with the DRC, and attached it with CA glue.

quick note about CA Glue: WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN MY WHOLE LIFE??????

I've never used this stuff... it's soooooooo much easier than using hot glue... geeezzzzuuuusssss ok, so enough about that...



i'm going to be molding all this in with some body filler, and the mounting flange wasn't helping, so i trimmed that off so i can have a nice easy transition with the slopes ...



and then framed out the rest of the remote with abs sheeting... very easy stuff to work with, again... another first for me.



this all required careful work since I was messing with an area where some factory clips were at, and I didn't want to lose those. very tight tolerances...



and one shot before I start with the body filler:

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Old 04-05-2013, 11:14 PM   #14
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Build looks awesome. I didn't have the guts to....well.......gut my rear panels like that, but you went for it in the biggest way. Looking at your amps, you're going to have incredible head room.

You might be surprised at what you find around here.....

Man...... I want those amps.

I'm still toying with the idea of replacing my amps with two Mosconi AS200.4's and a Mosconi Zero 1. Then I'll probably replace my fronts with Focal Utopia Be No7 Active or 165 KRX3 Power. The Utopias sounded a little harsh to my ears, so I'm thinking I want the KRX3's. I may just leave my T1692's in the rear as my wife believes that my son needs to hear music, and not booming bass. I actually like my subs, so I'll probably keep them. I love my 3Sixty.3 - it has been perfect for when I like to be juvenile and crank the bass up. Usually I turn it up and have a laugh, and then return it to normalcy.

On the other hand, I may just keep my Rockford stuff. A lot of people talk terrible of Rockford these days, but the more listening time I get in my car (not a daily driver), the more I really like the way it sounds. I would definitely be easier and cheaper to just leave it as it is.

I really should do one of these build threads some day.

Good luck with the stock head. I spent a couple hundred bucks and probably 30+ hours of troubleshooting just trying to keep it in my build. With those Mosconis being class A/B, I'll be waiting to hear if you get the speaker pop/click/thump.
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All focal in general sound a little bright to me, but that's just my opinion...

as for the Mosconi's, I do have 2 AS 300.2's I'm trying to unload right now. Let me know if you are interested...

if you build is anything like the pic in your signature... it looks tight
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alright, afternoon break right now, while i'm letting things cure.

started out the morning by masking the passenger side quarter panel and insert, so I can fiberglass the rest of the back of the mold.

before doing that, I took some 3M Spray 77 and lined the edges and back of the insert with 1/8" ccf. this is to create a soft resting place for the insert and to keep vibrations and noises in the even that it comes in contact with metal.



then taped up the passenger side..



i taped up the driver side quarter panel plastic, since the other insert is still curing. apparently I didn't add enough MEKP.

I'll be glassing around the edges here as a start to the grill panel that I'll be putting in place to hide the midbasses and ports.



I did the same for the passenger side, but will wait to glass it until I can install it in the car, to make sure that the form is right.



after a number of layers of chop



and after a few layers of cloth



i also took to the central command unit, scored the plastic parts that the filler will be adhering to



Then laid down some filler, and will be forming the rest of that when it fully cures.



getting the shape in place:





and some primer:



and this is where we end for the day. I got a bit too much primer on there, and am going to have to figure out how to deal with the excess. (it's not fully dried - so I can't sand it)

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What all did you order from don and can you post a ballpark figure for all of the sound deadining supplies? Like 100-200 200-300 or 300+?
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What all did you order from don and can you post a ballpark figure for all of the sound deadining supplies? Like 100-200 200-300 or 300+?
honestly I probably ordered a lot more than I shoujld have. I'll have excess.

70 CLD Tiles
1 Roll of Butyl Rope
121 sq ft of MLV
10 sheets of CCF
40 sq ft of Thinsulate
3 Packs of Velcro Strips
32 oz can of HH-66 vinyl cement

Here's a link to the site... if you add it all up you'll see ballpark figure for pricing... shipping kills on this stuff cause of weight. http://www.sounddeadenershowdown.com/
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Thanks for the info. I subscribed to the thread so I'll be asking how much you had leftover when your all finished.

Once again I need a second job.
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All focal in general sound a little bright to me, but that's just my opinion...

as for the Mosconi's, I do have 2 AS 300.2's I'm trying to unload right now. Let me know if you are interested...

if you build is anything like the pic in your signature... it looks tight
A lot of people say that about the Focals. My T2 tweeters were pretty bright at the start, but they were tamed by the 3Sixty.3. The only real experience I have with the Focals are a set of KRX2 Power with a Mosconi AS200.4 pushing them. It sounded like heaven, but the acoustics of a shop display can be misleading. The display also had a set of Utopia be 165W-RC's, and they did sound bright, but the KRX2's sounded much better to me. I figure either set could be tamed by the processor.

PM me about the AS300.2's. Maybe we can work something out.

That is my trunk in my signature. We have a very good shop that is local - only place I have ever felt like I could trust to work on my car. I did installs back in the 90's and I had to fix a lot of bad work by other "pro shops", so it's really hard for me to trust anyone else to do things the right way. Adrenaline Autosound definitely did it right by me.
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well, good news... I'm just an idiot apparently and didn't mix enough mekp... in all fairness, i'm using more mekp/oz of resin than I normally do... I wonder if the materials are any different than the last time I fiberglassed last year... all new materials from US Composites, so.... yeah.

so, while I was starting down today, I'm ending with an up. sort of. my goal today was to have the front baffle spacer attached today, and fiberglass reinforced, ready for the top baffle, volume measurement and inclusion of port tubes.

but alas, a lot of today was eerily similar to yesterday.... just with better results.

after pulling all the fiberglass from yesterdays snafuu...i went to town taping up both sides again. there are only a few things I hate in this hobby... masking areas... and hanging horns. my pet peeves if you will, and I'll do anything to not have to do them.

however, this is DIY and I have to suffer through it...

so, after both sides were masked, I started with a fresh layer of mat and resin... the batch started catalyzing before I was finished, so that was a good thing.... it was gelling up good too...



My drivers side insert finally cured... god damnit... so I trimmed that up and masked up the drivers side wall... and then went to town on it with a fresh batch of fiberglass.





after rolling the car out into the sun, I turned my attention to the other part of yesterday that pissed me off... the center cluster...

i had some left over resin, so i used that to fill in any dips, valleys, etc... I know it's not the best, but I didn't feel like mixing up a batch of rage when I already had this. besides, it kinda self levels. It also made some of the softer plastic that got lifted rock hard, so I could sand them down. I couldn't have done that with body filler. only two things bad about resin this way... you have the sand the hell out of it. 2, since it's clear, it still appears in some places to not be smooth... optical illusion that messes with you for sure..

so, sand, sand, sand, sand, fill, sand, sand.... you get the idea.

here we are sanded, cleaned and ready for the texture coat...


after the texture coat and some sanding, and then SEM paint...



a few more coats of paint, let it dry, etc...

and voila...







it's not my best work and it was a bit rushed, but it looks great, and I can say I have one more thing I can check off of my to do list... I'm actually pretty happy how it turned out. I just don't get why SEM paint never ever looks like it matches in pictures...

oh well..

once this was done I returned to find the quarter panels .... wait for it....

cured!!!!!!!!

time to do layer 2...

after this, I should be ready to pull them out and form them outside of the car. I'm using heavy chop, so it build up fast, but I should have a minimum of 3 layers everywhere, some 4 layers... can't wait to pull them out... :0





i wonder what type of volume I'm going to be getting out of these. I'm being optimistic, but I'm still not sure I'll have enough to net 1.5 cubes after driver and port displacement... we'll have to see though. I'm definitely stoked about having these drivers in there though.... it's going to be effing sick






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we did similar build..same bit1 ..here is my build if u need any ideas that might help..http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...=mikes+extreme
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