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Old 06-26-2008, 03:38 AM   #1
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Condensation in late 4th gen headlights?

the majority of the late 4th gen camaro's I've seen, have serious condensation issues in the headlights..(that or the plastic is bad quality and deteriorates over time?) i'm not exactly sure..
but..what is the reason for this exactly?, I notice it in a lot of the old 3rd gens as well, not sure about the early 4th gen - just the late 4th gen.
the main reason I notice it, is because they're so big, another reason- headlights are something I really tend to look at, at night, to determine what kind've car it is zooming up behind me, and when the headlight windows are of bad quality on the 4th gen, I usually cannot tell what kind've car it is until its right up next to me. when they are clean/clear I can usually pinpoint almost exactly its either a 4th gen, or a concorde.
due to the circular view of them, and the light slightly bleeding over into the brights section of the headlights. (oddly enough i've never seen a 4th gen with its brights on)

is there a quick fix for this issue?..or is it something that happens so often/costs so much to fix - that its not worth it?.
I personally would want those things to be crystal clear - i hate driving with foged up headlights - my '98 taurus' lights are starting to get that way, but its because the quality of the headlight shield thingy is starting to go bad.
probably because I've had to use the brights so often the past year & a half.
I honestly don't know.
but the reason I ask this - is because I'm not sure if I'll be able to get the 5th gen along down the line...so I've considered the 4th gen.
gfx would of course be a must.
but yeah - any information regarding the headlights would be awesome
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Honestly, I've never seen condensation in any 4th Gens headlights. Maybe it's because I'm in southern TX where it's a little warmer? I dunno...but I've never seen it.
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ah, someone posted a dark blue 4th gen a while back under the
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the camaro's headlights had beginning condensation issues.
im looking at the pictures now (cuz i saved em to my comp), ill try to find em in that thread...
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it was a dark blue 4th gen, one pic was a birds eye view of it, from the top of the front windshield, to the end of the hood.
the other pic was the camaro at an angle, with the wheel turned, turn signal light on, and a tree right behind it, also had a blue trash can on the left of the picture.
so if you come across those perhaps you'll see what I mean.
if flip through that thread more but that super sucks on dial up.
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the headlights have a sorta - faded, from top to bottom - foggyness to them when they get this way.
I'm wondering why thats so dang common/why it happens so often.
I've specifically seen it in Chevrolet cars/trucks. (and trust me I've looked at a lotta cars headlights to see if it happens to all cars or whats going on)
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Old 06-26-2008, 04:48 AM   #5
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Honestly, I've never seen condensation in any 4th Gens headlights. Maybe it's because I'm in southern TX where it's a little warmer? I dunno...but I've never seen it.
you've seen it in other cars tho right?..
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Old 06-26-2008, 06:13 AM   #6
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I imagine it is only the late 4th gens 98-02 since the 93-97's when the headlamp needed to be replaced you had to replace the whole housing since you couldn't replace just the bulb. I know I haven't seen this problem on my car, but then again I have a 95. I haven't seen the issue on any of the ones around here, but again I really haven't looked for it since it isn't my car.

Edit: I just realized in your post you mentioned that it was only the late 4th Gens.
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I'm with Tag on this one. Your mention of condensation in the headlights is new to me.

I'm not doubting that you've seen this, it's just my thought that the one(s) you've seen are the exception.

My guess as to the cause might be in the casing?
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the majority of the late 4th gen camaro's I've seen, have serious condensation issues in the headlights..(that or the plastic is bad quality and deteriorates over time?) i'm not exactly sure..
but..what is the reason for this exactly?, I notice it in a lot of the old 3rd gens as well, not sure about the early 4th gen - just the late 4th gen.
the main reason I notice it, is because they're so big, another reason- headlights are something I really tend to look at, at night, to determine what kind've car it is zooming up behind me, and when the headlight windows are of bad quality on the 4th gen, I usually cannot tell what kind've car it is until its right up next to me. when they are clean/clear I can usually pinpoint almost exactly its either a 4th gen, or a concorde.
due to the circular view of them, and the light slightly bleeding over into the brights section of the headlights. (oddly enough i've never seen a 4th gen with its brights on)

is there a quick fix for this issue?..or is it something that happens so often/costs so much to fix - that its not worth it?.
I personally would want those things to be crystal clear - i hate driving with foged up headlights - my '98 taurus' lights are starting to get that way, but its because the quality of the headlight shield thingy is starting to go bad.
probably because I've had to use the brights so often the past year & a half.
I honestly don't know.
but the reason I ask this - is because I'm not sure if I'll be able to get the 5th gen along down the line...so I've considered the 4th gen.
gfx would of course be a must.
but yeah - any information regarding the headlights would be awesome
Its not condensation.....its the plastic itself losing its clarity. Its common on plastic headlights for some reason on all makes and models, not just the 4th gen camaro. All thats required to make it clear again is to polish it. Replacing them is expensive. I've had the problem on Volvos, Mercedes and my 4th gen Camaro and I've also seen it on Mustangs,F150s and Tauruses. I don't know if its caused by UV rays or what. If thats what is causing it then you may be able to spray some clear coat(same as over the paint) over them either before they fog up or after repolishing them and it should prevent it. It only happens on headlight housings that are plastic. The cars that still use the glass sealed beams don't have this problem. If they fog up its because a rock has chipped the glass and moisture has gotten inside.In that case it IS condensation.
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Old 06-26-2008, 01:50 PM   #9
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This website gives the reason they fog up an how to get rid of it.

http://www.janvil.com/headlight_faqs...nses_oxidize__
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thanks for the info
glad to know it doesn't cost an arm & a leg to fix.
I'm willing to bet some of the other members out of california have noticed this issue.
I'm primarily referring to just everyday average people who drive their camaro to/from work, or skewl, and just keep it maintained on a regular basis, not someone whos like hardcore gotta polish this baby up.
so for people like that, it probably doesn't even happen to them.
and having recently seen a really freakin BRIGHT red camaro with crystal clear headlights, thats most likely true.
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it was a dark blue 4th gen, one pic was a birds eye view of it, from the top of the front windshield, to the end of the hood.
the other pic was the camaro at an angle, with the wheel turned, turn signal light on, and a tree right behind it, also had a blue trash can on the left of the picture.
so if you come across those perhaps you'll see what I mean.
if flip through that thread more but that super sucks on dial up.
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the headlights have a sorta - faded, from top to bottom - foggyness to them when they get this way.
I'm wondering why thats so dang common/why it happens so often.
I've specifically seen it in Chevrolet cars/trucks. (and trust me I've looked at a lotta cars headlights to see if it happens to all cars or whats going on)
That's My car. There's no condensation, is "fogged" from road grit and bad oxidation of the plastic.The only reason I can see them getting condensation in them is if the seals around the bulbs are deteriorated or missing completely.
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That's My car. There's no condensation, is "fogged" from road grit and bad oxidation of the plastic.The only reason I can see them getting condensation in them is if the seals around the bulbs are deteriorated or missing completely.
Sooo..what, if anything, are you going to do to resolve the issue?, if infact you plan to do something...?
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buy new projector headlights for a more aggressive look something like these...

or this...
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Old 06-27-2008, 12:38 AM   #15
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Had this same problem in my Tahoe. It "IS" condensation. The seal around the headlight goes bad, and water is allowed in. or theres a small hole in the seal or casing.

Edit: ok i just got done reading everyone elses posts here, and the only way to know for sure is if you were able to look at one closely to see if its water or not.
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Those are pretty sweet lookin, '77, bet those cost a butt load tho
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wow thats cheap, i love those new eyeball-like headlights they have now a days, they're great light.
I was driving a Lexus ES 330, those have those eyeball lights..they're pretty bright..and when I turned the brights on it was like looking into the sun (not really but Damn they were bright - the extra lights that is, not the eyeball ones)
but the eyeball ones contributed to the brightness of course, driving out in the country to work - that sorta thing comes in handy when theres ZERO light whatsoever (at night), in comparison to my taurus' standard lights.
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This website gives the reason they fog up an how to get rid of it.

http://www.janvil.com/headlight_faqs...nses_oxidize__
is there anything in local stores thats similar to that Janvil stuff?..I can tell im gonna be needing it for the taurus soon.
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There are two possibilities. If you have glass sealed beams, its most likely condensation and you have a crack or hole in the glass. If you have plastic headlight housings with replaceable bulbs, its most likely not condensation but fogging of the plastic. You could also have condensation on the plastic housings if you have leaking seals around the bulb or a hole/crack in the housing somewhere. In either case, if you have a hole/crack you will have to replace parts. If its just the fogging of the plastic, then you can just repolish.
The OP referred to the 4th gen f-bodies, so in that case 90% of the time its just fogged plastic not condensation.
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that makes sense.
ty again to repliers, rather unfortunate that they still use plastic covers =/
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is there anything in local stores thats similar to that Janvil stuff?..I can tell im gonna be needing it for the taurus soon.
Autozone normally has stuff that's called Blue Magic Headlight Lens Restorer it's $5.99 for a 8 oz bottle.
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Hmm I'll have to look into that...
definitely not a bad price at all tho if it works effectively.
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Hmm I'll have to look into that...
definitely not a bad price at all tho if it works effectively.
I just picked up a bottle of Mequires Plastic cleaner/polish yesterday and it worked pretty good. I only had enough time to do one side though. Its was about $7 a bottle. I have a lot of chips in mine. Looks like I'll have to do something more aggressive like sanding. I might try spraying them with automotive clear coat and then sand them down.That will fill in most of the chips, and I could add a touch of blue to give them a slight blue tint.....hmmmm
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yeah your car is a perfect example of what I was referring to, txturbo:

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