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SGOS252382 · 01-01-2010, 09:51 AM

As featured on Homepage BLOG

I thought I'd post Car and Driver's Lightning lap results for those who don't have the magazine.

Location - Virginia International Raceway
Grand West Course - "We chose the Grand West Course for its mix of straights, slow and high speed corners, uphill, esses, and 4.1 mile length."

Overall results.

1. Corvette ZR1, (2:51.8)
2. KTM X - Bow, (2:52.3)
3. Lamborghine LP670, (2:53.9)
4. Ariel Atom 3 (2:57.6)
5. Corvette Grand Sport (2:58.8)
6. Audi R8, 5.2 (2:59.5)
7. Lotus Exiqe S 260 (3:05.0)
8. BMW M3 (3:05.4)
9. Porsche Cayman S (3:05.8)
10. Porsche Carrera S (3:05.8)
11. Jaguar XKR (3:06.4)
12. Ford Shelby GT500 (3:07.4)
13. Audi TTS (3:08.4)
14. Camaro SS (3:09.5)
15. Audi S4 (3:10.8)
16. Nissan Nismo 370z (3:12.0)
17. Ford Mustang GT (3:13.3)
18. Genesis Coupe 3.8 (3:14.8)
19. Mazdaspeed 3 (316:2)
20. Subaru WRX (3:16.6)
21. Mini Cooper Works (3:17.1)
22. Volkswagen GTI (3:19.3)

Here's how the 2010 Camaro SS stacks up against cars tested in pervious years.

Dodge Viper ACR (2008) ran 2:48.6
Dodge Viper SRT10 (2007) ran 2:57.4
Chevrolet Z06 (2007) ran 2:58.2
Nissan GTR (2008) ran 2:59.0 - all season tires
Ford GT (2006) ran 3:00.7
Chevrolet Z51 (2008) ran 3:01.2
Cadillac CTS-V (2008) ran 3:04.0
Camaro SS (2009) ran 3:09.5
BMW 335i (2007) ran 3:10.5
Nissan 350z track (2006) ran 3:12.5
Chevrolet Cobalt SS (2008) ran 3:13.0
Lancer EVO MR (2008) ran 3:13.3
Dodge Challenger SRT-8 (2008) ran 3:16.3
Dodge Charger SRT-8 (2006) ran 3:18.2
Subaru WRX STi (2008) ran 3:19.0
Mazda RX8 (2006) ran 3:19.0

Overall the Camaro did pretty well for having the reputation of not handling all that well.

MisterCamaro69 · 01-01-2010, 10:19 AM

That should be enough to aggravate the 370Z and Hyundai folks

A few well placed suspension pieces should have it giving the M3 fits.

OUTATIME · 01-01-2010, 10:52 AM

I thought C&D were the ones who said the SS wasn't a good handler. Yet here, it ranks right between two Audis - TTS and the S4, two cars KNOWN for their prowess in the twisties. A nice fat

to the guys at C&D

*DGthe3* · 01-01-2010, 01:10 PM

hmm, essentially split the difference between the Caman S and the Mustang GT. Any word on whether that was a GT with a track pack or just a regular one?

ironpeddler · 01-01-2010, 01:17 PM

Nice to see that the Corvette GS beat out the Audi R8. Isn't that the LS3 engine in the grand sport?

MisterCamaro69 · 01-01-2010, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DGthe3

hmm, essentially split the difference between the Caman S and the Mustang GT. Any word on whether that was a GT with a track pack or just a regular one?

My guess would be track pack looking at the course.

liquidfire350 · 01-01-2010, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DGthe3

hmm, essentially split the difference between the Caman S and the Mustang GT. Any word on whether that was a GT with a track pack or just a regular one?

my assumption, which is probably wrong, is that it is with the track pack as i've noticed that every review of the mustang always has the track pack

Captain Awesome · 01-01-2010, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by liquidfire350

my assumption, which is probably wrong, is that it is with the track pack as i've noticed that every review of the mustang always has the track pack

One of the previews of the 2011 Mustang said that ford has never sent a non track pack car to a review for testing.

*Dragoneye* · 01-01-2010, 01:51 PM

Nice! Backs up MotorTrend's results at Laguna Seca, this is a serious performing car right out of the box. Do something about that intentional understeer, and it may gain an extra second or two!

...there's FAR more to a car than just its engine...or its brakes...or its suspension. You must look at the entire package, and for $30,000, this car can hang with vehicles costing 10s of thousands more. (yeah, I'm lookin' at you GT500.

)

....I can't wait for the Z. hehehe

Miketebo22 · 01-01-2010, 02:21 PM

The 370z wrecked! you forgot to mention that part! It experience a severe brake failure due to brake fade. The NISMO Z came with low brake dust/ low noise pads and it resulted in a totaled car at the track, with a car set up from the factory for the track. Nissan is changing the brakes on that car just because of this wreck..kinda funny...a track car that isnt REALLY made for the track

SGOS252382 · 01-01-2010, 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DGthe3

hmm, essentially split the difference between the Caman S and the Mustang GT. Any word on whether that was a GT with a track pack or just a regular one?

Here's a quote from the article, "the car showed up wearing the wrong tires, so while we waited for a set of the Pirelli P Zeros to arrive (part of the $1530 Track pack) we turned some educational practice laps."

The Pirelli's shaved 5 seconds off their practice times.

*The_Blur* · 01-01-2010, 02:27 PM

What happened to the Challenger?

*DGthe3* · 01-01-2010, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ironpeddler

Nice to see that the Corvette GS beat out the Audi R8. Isn't that the LS3 engine in the grand sport?

Yes, a hand built dry-sump LS3 but still an LS3.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Awesome

One of the previews of the 2011 Mustang said that ford has never sent a non track pack car to a review for testing.

Thanks. I thought maybe it was just the regular since the gap was wider between the SS and GT than SS and GT500.

Miketebo22 · 01-01-2010, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Blur

What happened to the Challenger?

The Chally wasnt tested this time but they did before with a 2008 SRT8 and it got a 3:16.3

CynAgain · 01-01-2010, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Nice! Backs up MotorTrend's results at Laguna Seca, this is a serious performing car right out of the box. Do something about that intentional understeer, and it may gain an extra second or two!

...there's FAR more to a car than just its engine...or its brakes...or its suspension. You must look at the entire package, and for $30,000, this car can hang with vehicles costing 10s of thousands more. (yeah, I'm lookin' at you GT500. )

....I can't wait for the Z. hehehe

a_Username · 01-01-2010, 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SGOS252382

Here's a quote from the article, "the car showed up wearing the wrong tires, so while we waited for a set of the Pirelli P Zeros to arrive (part of the $1530 Track pack) we turned some educational practice laps."

The Pirelli's shaved 5 seconds off their practice times.

Did the GT's time include the lap with the Pirelli's on?

CWIweldace · 01-01-2010, 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CynAgain

And there is far more to a girl than her boots.

Sweet avatar Cyn

Captain Vlad · 01-02-2010, 12:15 AM

She just keeps right on proving how bad-ass she is.

*DGthe3* · 01-02-2010, 01:22 AM

Many posts have been deleted because this was turning into a Camaro vs Mustang thread. Keep it on topic

Ravirn · 01-02-2010, 01:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

...this car can hang with vehicles costing 10s of thousands more.
....I can't wait for the Z. hehehe

I can't wait for the Z, either! Gonna be a big ka-boom in the muscle car market, me thinks (in a good way)!

skipj3 · 01-02-2010, 01:50 AM

Ariel Atom 3 in the top 5. Amazing!

*Dragoneye* · 01-02-2010, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skipj3

Ariel Atom 3 in the top 5. Amazing!

It's like the motorcycle of the car world...as strange as it sounds.
It's a shame they aren't street-legal...

SGOS252382 · 01-02-2010, 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by a_Username

Did the GT's time include the lap with the Pirelli's on?

Yes, its posted time was with the Pirelli's.

DarricSS · 01-02-2010, 09:38 PM

Can't beat the bang for the buck in the Camaro SS...

Bert · 01-02-2010, 09:50 PM

cool to see the Camaro up there . . . even cooler to see the Corvette at the top of the list above all those imports!

01-01-2010, 09:51 AM	#1
SGOS252382 Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: S.W. Florida Posts: 2,619	Car and Driver's 2009 Lightning Lap Results As featured on Homepage BLOG I thought I'd post Car and Driver's Lightning lap results for those who don't have the magazine. Location - Virginia International Raceway Grand West Course - "We chose the Grand West Course for its mix of straights, slow and high speed corners, uphill, esses, and 4.1 mile length." Overall results. 1. Corvette ZR1, (2:51.8) 2. KTM X - Bow, (2:52.3) 3. Lamborghine LP670, (2:53.9) 4. Ariel Atom 3 (2:57.6) 5. Corvette Grand Sport (2:58.8) 6. Audi R8, 5.2 (2:59.5) 7. Lotus Exiqe S 260 (3:05.0) 8. BMW M3 (3:05.4) 9. Porsche Cayman S (3:05.8) 10. Porsche Carrera S (3:05.8) 11. Jaguar XKR (3:06.4) 12. Ford Shelby GT500 (3:07.4) 13. Audi TTS (3:08.4) 14. Camaro SS (3:09.5) 15. Audi S4 (3:10.8) 16. Nissan Nismo 370z (3:12.0) 17. Ford Mustang GT (3:13.3) 18. Genesis Coupe 3.8 (3:14.8) 19. Mazdaspeed 3 (316:2) 20. Subaru WRX (3:16.6) 21. Mini Cooper Works (3:17.1) 22. Volkswagen GTI (3:19.3) Here's how the 2010 Camaro SS stacks up against cars tested in pervious years. Dodge Viper ACR (2008) ran 2:48.6 Dodge Viper SRT10 (2007) ran 2:57.4 Chevrolet Z06 (2007) ran 2:58.2 Nissan GTR (2008) ran 2:59.0 - all season tires Ford GT (2006) ran 3:00.7 Chevrolet Z51 (2008) ran 3:01.2 Cadillac CTS-V (2008) ran 3:04.0 Camaro SS (2009) ran 3:09.5 BMW 335i (2007) ran 3:10.5 Nissan 350z track (2006) ran 3:12.5 Chevrolet Cobalt SS (2008) ran 3:13.0 Lancer EVO MR (2008) ran 3:13.3 Dodge Challenger SRT-8 (2008) ran 3:16.3 Dodge Charger SRT-8 (2006) ran 3:18.2 Subaru WRX STi (2008) ran 3:19.0 Mazda RX8 (2006) ran 3:19.0 Overall the Camaro did pretty well for having the reputation of not handling all that well. __________________ 2SS/RS, L99 A6, Vararam, Kooks 1 7/8, Magnaflow street, Tune (12.55 @ 111.64 mph) TSW Nurburgrings 20x9.0 and 20x10.0 Last edited by SGOS252382; 01-03-2010 at 04:25 PM.

01-01-2010, 10:19 AM	#2
MisterCamaro69 Drives: Is all that we see or seem Join Date: May 2008 Location: But a dream within a dream? Posts: 7,477	That should be enough to aggravate the 370Z and Hyundai folks A few well placed suspension pieces should have it giving the M3 fits. __________________ Great Racing Quotes "Don't brake until you see God, just don't meet him" "Never run out of real estate, traction and ideas at the same time." "I was doing fine until about mid-corner when I ran out of talent." "I drive way too fast to worry about cholesterol."

01-01-2010, 01:10 PM	#4
DGthe3 Moderator.ca Drives: 05 Grand Am GT Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Niagara, Canada Posts: 12,825	hmm, essentially split the difference between the Caman S and the Mustang GT. Any word on whether that was a GT with a track pack or just a regular one? __________________ Note, if I've gotten any facts wrong in the above, just ignore any points I made with them __________________ but to assume we're 'done' with Camaro - well -- trust me - we aren't! -FbodFather __________________

01-01-2010, 01:17 PM	#5
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01-01-2010, 01:51 PM	#9
Dragoneye Moderator Drives: 2008 Cobalt LS Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Buffalo, New York Posts: 15,344 View My Garage	Nice! Backs up MotorTrend's results at Laguna Seca, this is a serious performing car right out of the box. Do something about that intentional understeer, and it may gain an extra second or two! ...there's FAR more to a car than just its engine...or its brakes...or its suspension. You must look at the entire package, and for $30,000, this car can hang with vehicles costing 10s of thousands more. (yeah, I'm lookin' at you GT500. ) ....I can't wait for the Z. hehehe __________________ *"Keep the faith."*

01-01-2010, 10:52 AM	#3
OUTATIME Drives: 2010 IOM 2SS/RS Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: NJ Posts: 250	I thought C&D were the ones who said the SS wasn't a good handler. Yet here, it ranks right between two Audis - TTS and the S4, two cars KNOWN for their prowess in the twisties. A nice fat to the guys at C&D

01-01-2010, 02:21 PM	#10
Miketebo22 Iceman Drives: 2007 Vortec Max LTZ/2008 Yama R6 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Rapid City SD Posts: 591	The 370z wrecked! you forgot to mention that part! It experience a severe brake failure due to brake fade. The NISMO Z came with low brake dust/ low noise pads and it resulted in a totaled car at the track, with a car set up from the factory for the track. Nissan is changing the brakes on that car just because of this wreck..kinda funny...a track car that isnt REALLY made for the track __________________ 2G1FT1EW8A9120908

01-01-2010, 02:27 PM	#12
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01-02-2010, 01:22 AM	#19
DGthe3 Moderator.ca Drives: 05 Grand Am GT Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Niagara, Canada Posts: 12,825	Many posts have been deleted because this was turning into a Camaro vs Mustang thread. Keep it on topic __________________ Note, if I've gotten any facts wrong in the above, just ignore any points I made with them __________________ but to assume we're 'done' with Camaro - well -- trust me - we aren't! -FbodFather __________________

01-02-2010, 01:50 AM	#21
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01-02-2010, 09:38 PM	#24
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01-02-2010, 09:50 PM	#25
Bert synergy-green with envy Drives: Cam....ry :-( Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Douglas, MA Posts: 282	cool to see the Camaro up there . . . even cooler to see the Corvette at the top of the list above all those imports!

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