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62nalide · 10-02-2019, 03:53 PM

Solid Roller > LLSR

christianchevell · 10-02-2019, 06:39 PM

Think the ones on here I read over the years ….were just GPI or east coast dudes who had shops install LLSR , sure get some gains and such....BUT...harder on the upper valve train and have to relash often...soooooooo most avoid them, but hey most don't just track their cars either.... DO a search on here LLSR go from there, good luck. Me myself just waiting some year to go GPI ls7 small bore heads..... And be happy....

WHAMMO · 10-02-2019, 09:37 PM

Well Cam motion have over 12k miles on their low lash Vette without any adj iirc. There's not much data on kinda Daily LLSR. I'll follow Cam Motion advice on their spec with my goal instead of random post from the oil guy ChristianChevell...sorry

Plus as far as I can tell, it's more reliable and stable than hydrolic

lazerlemonta · 10-03-2019, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by christianchevell

Think the ones on here I read over the years ….were just GPI or east coast dudes whop had shops install LLSR , sure get some gains and such....BUT...harder on the upper valve train and have to relash often...soooooooo most avoid them, but hey most don't just track their cars either.... DO a search on here LLSR go from there, good luck. Me myself just waiting some year to go GPI ls7 small bore heads..... And be happy....

This statement is 100% 30 year ago technology! None of it is true. The LLR of today you set it and forget it. Have several friends running them with 20-50k miles now and only reset when they put fresh springs on. Once you go so far its a basic maintenance for the springs in any cam set up. These are all driven street cars. I gave him advice to check out ls1 tech and you should as well. Spewing false information for some old school knowledge is misleading and holding people back from making good sound decisions.

lazerlemonta · 10-03-2019, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by WHAMMO

Well Cam motion have over 12k miles on their low lash Vette without any adj iirc. There's not much data on kinda Daily LLSR. I'll follow Cam Motion advice on their spec with my goal instead of random post from the oil guy ChristianChevell...sorry

Plus as far as I can tell, it's more reliable and stable than hydrolic

Whammo Darths car has had solid rollers in it for a few years now. That 428 is a blast to drive and turns 8200. Hell his little 346 when he swapped from hydraulic to solid made 540rwhp and he daily drove it as well. It was tired with 120k miles at that lol

brick59 · 10-03-2019, 07:25 AM

LLR's have some of the best ramp rates of all the modern cam shafts that includes the hydraulics, very easy on the valve train component and very little maintenance nothing like the old school cams.

zz430camaro · 10-03-2019, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Clarkstar

Awesome article... thanks

Yes, that 403 in the article is making good power for a cam that size. That intake is also helping with the rpm.

WHAMMO · 10-03-2019, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by lazerlemonta

Whammo Darths car has had solid rollers in it for a few years now. That 428 is a blast to drive and turns 8200. Hell his little 346 when he swapped from hydraulic to solid made 540rwhp and he daily drove it as well. It was tired with 120k miles at that lol

Niceeee

l.o.d_yankee · 10-03-2019, 03:04 PM

I'm definitely gonna have to have lazer and Darth help me spec out my next cam. Definitely going solid roller on the next motor.

Roader · 10-03-2019, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by l.o.d_yankee

I'm definitely gonna have to have lazer and Darth help me spec out my next cam. Definitely going solid roller on the next motor.

Now you have my curiosity. Would love to see the 440, LLSR, and your intake as a combo

2010reddevil · 10-04-2019, 03:48 AM

I too am contemplating going this route because why not? I have the converter for it and since my entire top end has to come off for a cam anyways, what the hell. If I could get 550whp or the power to ouch this fatass to low 10s n/a then all the better. Was gonna get the GPI SS4 VVT cam and max package but now I feel like I'd be leaving power on the table. I do plan on having heads milled enough to net 11.5 compression. If you guys think I can run more on 93, by all means chime in.

lazerlemonta · 10-04-2019, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by 2010reddevil

I too am contemplating going this route because why not? I have the converter for it and since my entire top end has to come off for a cam anyways, what the hell. If I could get 550whp or the power to ouch this fatass to low 10s n/a then all the better. Was gonna get the GPI SS4 VVT cam and max package but now I feel like I'd be leaving power on the table. I do plan on having heads milled enough to net 11.5 compression. If you guys think I can run more on 93, by all means chime in.

Well........ The new 5.0 are what compression from the factory? 12:1..... You can get by with 12.5:1 just watch your dynamic compression (8.7-8.8) when choosing a cam. If you are going this far a cam would be in the 24x/26x range .680 to .710 lift if you would be willing to turn it 7800. if you want less rpm tighten the split up but its still going to need 7500rpm to achieve your goal with stock displacement. Stock pistons will need flycut no matter what you do once you start trying to get some power over 530ish NA in a auto anyways. LS3 heads need RPM to make power. All these guys that turn them 6500 with a cam would benefit going a couple decades backwards with a cathedral head where the flow peaks in the .600 area and not .700+ lol

zz430camaro · 10-04-2019, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by lazerlemonta

Well........ The new 5.0 are what compression from the factory? 12:1..... You can get by with 12.5:1 just watch your dynamic compression (8.7-8.8) when choosing a cam. If you are going this far a cam would be in the 24x/26x range .680 to .710 lift if you would be willing to turn it 7800. if you want less rpm tighten the split up but its still going to need 7500rpm to achieve your goal with stock displacement. Stock pistons will need flycut no matter what you do once you start trying to get some power over 530ish NA in a auto anyways. LS3 heads need RPM to make power. All these guys that turn them 6500 with a cam would benefit going a couple decades backwards with a cathedral head where the flow peaks in the .600 area and not .700+ lol

Why do you think that because my car has LS3 heads I need to spin it to 7800? That makes no sense. Your car ran well with factory cam and intake,

lazerlemonta · 10-04-2019, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by zz430camaro

Why do you think that because my car has LS3 heads I need to spin it to 7800? That makes no sense. Your car ran well with factory cam and intake,

I am referring to these guys that are buying LS3 heads with port work or aftermarket. Sorry I was in a hurry lol The 7800 reference is for the cam spec i threw up for going LLR. I spun my stock cam to 7100 in 1st gear for shift recovery in second.

10-02-2019, 03:53 PM	#29
62nalide Drives: 2013 SS Join Date: May 2013 Location: DFW Posts: 4,102	Solid Roller > LLSR __________________ https://frankensteined.net/ Martin@Frankensteined.net

10-02-2019, 06:39 PM	#30
christianchevell old school chevy rodder Drives: 2021 zl1 a-10 WildCherry Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Oregon Posts: 5,622 View My Garage	Think the ones on here I read over the years ….were just GPI or east coast dudes who had shops install LLSR , sure get some gains and such....BUT...harder on the upper valve train and have to relash often...soooooooo most avoid them, but hey most don't just track their cars either.... DO a search on here LLSR go from there, good luck. Me myself just waiting some year to go GPI ls7 small bore heads..... And be happy.... __________________ 2021 Wild Cherry ZL1 A10, Sunroof, Data,Red Carbon Interior, Nav, RotoFab Big Gulp , Elite x2ultra, Borla ATAK, Driveshaft shop, BMR susp, Speed covers, intercoolers, ATI , 2650 MAG, DSX lid, 103 NW, TSP Longtubes & cats, LPE, 1le mods, ,LME cover, Katech pump and chain, Trunnions, BTR stage 2, LPE boostapump, Gforce, Speed eng , Granetteli, etc etc Last edited by christianchevell; 10-05-2019 at 09:04 AM.

10-02-2019, 09:37 PM	#31
WHAMMO Drives: 13' 1LE Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 2,653	Well Cam motion have over 12k miles on their low lash Vette without any adj iirc. There's not much data on kinda Daily LLSR. I'll follow Cam Motion advice on their spec with my goal instead of random post from the oil guy ChristianChevell...sorry Plus as far as I can tell, it's more reliable and stable than hydrolic __________________ 13' 1LE Old setup: TSP 231-236/Tick 660/.105 PR, UDP, SW LT 2'' & HFC, stock NPP & H pipe, VR-DRX CAI, air scoop, Goertz1 manifold, 102mm BBK, 26" Toyo DRs, Forgestars R17x10 & F18x8, rear seat delete, remote Pat G tune Autocal, 7400 limiter, Spec Mini Twin. 91oct. 11.90@122.3, 0-60ft 2.0 / 11.99@123.6, 0-60ft 2.1 DA+819 ...519RWHP SAE Solid roller SBE LS3, FED, LLSR, 91oct, 605rwhp N/A. Tuned by Pat G. Build by me. Last edited by WHAMMO; 10-02-2019 at 09:59 PM.

10-03-2019, 07:25 AM	#34
brick59 Sucker Punch Drives: 2013 Black ZL1, 2022 Silverado ZR2 Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: N.E. Ohio Posts: 309	LLR's have some of the best ramp rates of all the modern cam shafts that includes the hydraulics, very easy on the valve train component and very little maintenance nothing like the old school cams. __________________ 427 Dart SHP Pro LS Block, Callies Magnum Crank, Callies Ultra I Beam Rods, Diamond Pistons, AGP twin Turbos 6865, Mast heads, Cam Motion LLR cam, Morel tie bar lifters, Crower roller rockers, NW 103MM TB, ID2600 XDS, Fore Triple, DSX, E85, ARH Turbo Headers, Corsa, Jakes stage 5 4L80, Circle D, RPM Roll Bar, BMR, Carlyle Racing 15" conversion kit.

10-03-2019, 03:04 PM	#37
l.o.d_yankee Drives: 2010/2SS/M6/440ci Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Houston Posts: 131	I'm definitely gonna have to have lazer and Darth help me spec out my next cam. Definitely going solid roller on the next motor. __________________ 2010 2SS Camaro - Engine: 5.3 aluminum Re-sleeved 4.185 bore, 4 inch stroke, 12.5:1 compression, 440ci, SPS Dart pro1 ls3 heads, tsp ls7 stage 4.2 cam(too small), "billet bill" original X1 manifold, bbk 102mm, cai cold air. Exhaust: TSP 2 inch primaries, V-band merge, hooker blackheart x pipe (modified) spintech 9000 mufflers. Drivetrain: Dss 1 piece driveshaft, MGW shifter, Z28 clutch, ram aluminium flywheel. Body: ZTA spoiler, de-badged, ZL1 front bumper, 14-15 mohawk, two tone paint.

10-04-2019, 03:48 AM	#39
2010reddevil Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS Victory Red 6M Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Gulf Coast, TX Posts: 1,424	I too am contemplating going this route because why not? I have the converter for it and since my entire top end has to come off for a cam anyways, what the hell. If I could get 550whp or the power to ouch this fatass to low 10s n/a then all the better. Was gonna get the GPI SS4 VVT cam and max package but now I feel like I'd be leaving power on the table. I do plan on having heads milled enough to net 11.5 compression. If you guys think I can run more on 93, by all means chime in. __________________ 2011 2SS 6A Red Jewel Metallic, Vararam Tune CAI, Magnaflow 3" Competition c/b, Speed Engineering 1-7/8 LT's, Circle D 5C, M/T 275/40R20 S/S, HPTuners tune by Ryan@GPI 12.3 @ 112 ACM as of 12/22/19 Gone on 12/28/19 R I P 2010 2SS 6M Victory Red/Black (old ride) CAI intake, Speed Engineering 1 7/8" LT's, X4 base tune, Flowmaster Outlaw axle-back. 12.6 @ 115 SAR as of 9/19/15 Gone but never forgotten.