More wanting torque than Hp. Any recommendations?

[PaulsSS]

Not worth the money and trouble IMO, even if you can get a little on a stock v8 car your car is a nightmare of mods and troubles.

[xlmusicp]

Originally Posted by PaulsSS

With out doubt going to a v8 car is the best solution. A stock v8 car is going to beat up even the heaviest modded v6 car. Its also a bunch cheaper. I have both and have to say the v6 car is fun to drive but the v8 car is on a entirely different level of feel and performance. Just the torque alone of the v8 makes it so much more fun to drive.

I disagree. My boosted, cammed and stalled V6 (10' 1LT) destroys my C7 Vette (CAI, tune).

[xlmusicp]

Originally Posted by bill522

Not true whatsoever. There are more than a few 5th Gen V-6's pushing 500rwhp.
If you are a stock Camaro SS, you will only see my taillights

Overkill Supercharged and lots of fuel mods

This is 100% correct. Tons of boosted V6s providing V8s with discounted coupons to Gapplebees.

And.. at a fraaction of the cost of a stock 1/2SS.

[ariZona28]

As an owner of both a V6 and V8 Camaro the average individual is better starting off with a V8 if torque sensation is desired. Sure if you're a professor/engineer/fabricator guy you can build a rip-snortin' 217. But after you've got that motor moderately above V8 power levels you still have a relatively weak V6 drivetrain to deal with. Soft suspension. Inadequate brakes. And basically NO aftermarket support. Notice the OP was a "one and done" post. Probably was looking for a quick affordable power increase but after a few responses reality $et in. I love my little 2LS but getting 400-500 ft-lbs of tq out of it is just too tall of an order.

[67-LS1]

I changed the rearend in my LFX/A6 powered 66 Chevelle from 3.07 to 3.50 and the difference is pretty amazing. It feels like it pulls harder.

[xlmusicp]

Originally Posted by ariZona28

As an owner of both a V6 and V8 Camaro the average individual is better starting off with a V8 if torque sensation is desired. Sure if you're a professor/engineer/fabricator guy you can build a rip-snortin' 217. But after you've got that motor moderately above V8 power levels you still have a relatively weak V6 drivetrain to deal with. Soft suspension. Inadequate brakes. And basically NO aftermarket support. Notice the OP was a "one and done" post. Probably was looking for a quick affordable power increase but after a few responses reality $et in. I love my little 2LS but getting 400-500 ft-lbs of tq out of it is just too tall of an order.

I'd have to disagree.. literally every SS and ZL1 suspension upgrade bolts onto the V6 (since they share the same chassis). That aside, no one really know the limits of the auto/manual transmissions and tons are pushing 12PSI+ of boost without incident (one guy is even pushing about 18-20PSI).

Forum is pretty dead, but tons of boosted V6s with high torque and HP numbers in the fbook groups.

[xstuntman]

Arizona for the win.

The manual in the V6 gets sloppy behind the 6s stock hp/torq and I keep thinking the auto was rated to the mid 350 region on torque.

[simon777]

Originally Posted by bill522

Not true whatsoever. There are more than a few 5th Gen V-6's pushing 500rwhp.
If you are a stock Camaro SS, you will only see my taillights

Overkill Supercharged and lots of fuel mods

What mods do you have? P1SC or Vortech SC?

[xlmusicp]

Originally Posted by simon777

What mods do you have? P1SC or Vortech SC?

Long mod list....but here's a performance summary:

- Built/forged engine + Mace Engineering 210/210 Cams and 90lb valve springs + Fuel lobe mod (grind)
- ZL1 LPFP
- Vortec V3 Si Supercharger w/ 3.33" pulley currently at 12psi (temporarily) + Mishimoto Intercooler + 50mm Tial BOV
- 3800-4K stall (OEM is 3200)
- RX Monster Catch Can
- Overkill Motorsports tune (tuned on 93 currently)
- Pacesetter LTHs + cat delete straight piped to a Rev9 exhaust
- RX Super Duty trans cooler
- SS Brembo brake conversion

[simon777]

Originally Posted by xlmusicp

Long mod list....but here's a performance summary:

- Built/forged engine + Mace Engineering 210/210 Cams and 90lb valve springs + Fuel lobe mod (grind)
- ZL1 LPFP
- Vortec V3 Si Supercharger w/ 3.33" pulley currently at 12psi (temporarily) + Mishimoto Intercooler + 50mm Tial BOV
- 3800-4K stall (OEM is 3200)
- RX Monster Catch Can
- Overkill Motorsports tune (tuned on 93 currently)
- Pacesetter LTHs + cat delete straight piped to a Rev9 exhaust
- RX Super Duty trans cooler
- SS Brembo brake conversion

Great build, thanks for sharing. I have a similar build although not that extreme. On the starter tune from Will on E85 I made 373HP and 340lb ft at the wheels on a manual 2015 Camaro LFX w/:
-P1SC procharger with stock pulley, Will's stage 2 supercharger kit with upgraded fuel injectors, running 10PSI
-ZL1 LPFP
-Tracy's hard fuel line to the HPFP upgrade
-E85 kit
-RX catch can
-SS Brembo conversion
-ARH downpipes w/ HFC
-Magnaflow resonated xpipe
-SLP LM2 catback
-3.91 gears
-20" ZL1 wheels
-1LE suspension kit
-jacfab extendolator (manifold spacer)
-jacfab laminator FX

I'm planning on adding Will's port injection system to help keep my intake valves clean and a smaller pulley to run 12-13psi on E85 as I've already hit the limit on my fuel system right now for E85

My motor is not built internally. Are you happy with the Mace cams? Would you do that mod again? I've looked at them but with how much of a pain they are to install and given my motor isn't built, I didn't want to push it too much further.

[bill522]

Originally Posted by simon777

What mods do you have? P1SC or Vortech SC?

Built by Tracy Lewis and Tuned by Will Rishworth
Paxton Novi 2200 HD (running around 16-18psi)
Treadstone Intercooler
Aeromotive Camaro Stealth Eliminator Fuel System/Fuel Speed Controller
LF4 HPFP with Autotech HPFP upgrade
LF4 Fuel Injectors
Port Injection Methanol
Alky Control Methanol System 100%
E-85 kit
Forged Diamond Pistons (10.5:1)
Mace Cams
90# Valve Springs
Monster Twin Disc Clutch
3.91 gears
Tracy Lewis Catch Can
MBRP Catback Exhaust

Old Dyno Numbers before all the fuel mods.
Havent been on a dyno in quite a while ( should be much higher)

[78novacaine]

Originally Posted by ElderJ

A lot of us v6 guys have asked this question in the past, and the most common response is for us to buy a v8. Sounds funny at first, but it is legit when you consider the limited return on investment for trying to upgrade our 6-banger as opposed to putting that money down on an 8-cylinder. Try crunching the numbers and kick the idea around a bit.

I would suggest this as well. Let's say you sell your v6 for $10-12k, you can get into a relatively nice SS for around $20k that already has a cam and supporting mods. That'll get you around 450-500 whp with FAR more low end torque for less than $10k. To get that same power out of the v6 going by the mod lists ITT you'd need a built motor + boost (far exceeding $10k), you would only really make any power above 5500 rpms or so, and would be pretty close to maxed out. The math just doesn't work out in favor of heavily modding the v6 unless you would rather spend more money for less performance.

I'm in a similar boat with my SS, in that I'm at a point where adding any more power would mean built motor/trans/rear. For the amount I would have to invest for all that I could sell mine, buy a turnkey setup that's already where I want to be, and come out probably $5-10k ahead.

[simon777]

Originally Posted by 78novacaine

I would suggest this as well. Let's say you sell your v6 for $10-12k, you can get into a relatively nice SS for around $20k that already has a cam and supporting mods. That'll get you around 450-500 whp with FAR more low end torque for less than $10k. To get that same power out of the v6 going by the mod lists ITT you'd need a built motor + boost (far exceeding $10k), you would only really make any power above 5500 rpms or so, and would be pretty close to maxed out. The math just doesn't work out in favor of heavily modding the v6 unless you would rather spend more money for less performance.

I'm in a similar boat with my SS, in that I'm at a point where adding any more power would mean built motor/trans/rear. For the amount I would have to invest for all that I could sell mine, buy a turnkey setup that's already where I want to be, and come out probably $5-10k ahead.

Agree. Check Autotempest, you can get a sub 100k miles 2010 V8 for $16k now. Another big advantage is V8 support. Way more options and tuners that know how to work with Camaro V8 engines. The lack of support makes modifying a V6 frustrating at times.

The V6 needs a lot more to be safe and effective with power increases: brakes,suspension,wheels,tires etc. A manual V6 is nice in that you get the V8 rear end (diff,axles). I took parts off low mileage V8 Camaros and did the labor myself to cut costs. If you paid someone to do it and bought new parts, it definitely makes no sense financially. I procharged my V6 as I already settled into it with an extensive list of mods over years, didn't feel like restarting that on another car, already paid it off, and wanted to experiment with forced induction on a cheaper engine first before attempting it on a future V8.

[simon777]

https://imgur.com/a/HTOtEJq

Here's my dyno run on Will's starter tune. Went for higher torque down low with my mods. Still waiting on the tune revision after sending Will this data. He says I should gain about 25hp more after the revision especially up top where you can see it needs some tuning work.

Going to add port injection and a slightly smaller pulley to see where that puts me and dyno it again after that.