Pondering the notion of not taking delivery

[Scrappy Doo]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Well all I can tell you is that not all, not even to close to many cars are as you describe.

If you take every single problem that has been posted here and assume your car would have those issue..................maybe you'd have a point.

I can tell you I have driven the CTF cars for almost 40,000 miles in the last 10 months across 2 SSs and 2 LTs. None of the issues you state were on any of the cars.

Tire wear? I guess if you got your new 400 HP Plus baby you might just go through a set of rear tires, especially if you were a Camaro loyalist that had an 8 year itch to scratch. But I can assure you that 296 had 12,000 on the clock when I turned it in and Thor was well around 10,000 by the time we returned him to Fbodfather and tire wear was not an issue................not even a little bit.

So if you are a Mustang guy trolling................beat it.

If you genuiniely ordered a Camaro, follow through. It is a truly awesome car and you will love it more than a Mustang.

There you have it op.

Number 3

[v6sonoma]

In case you were wondering the 2010 Mustang has had some issues to so don't think it's gonna be perfect.

http://mustangforums.com/forum/2010-...ur-2010-a.html

I feel dirty just for clicking that link. I'm gonna go for a drive.

[ffrcobra_65]

I strongly recommend renting a 2010 Camaro SS and get some of your questions answered....at least the fun, fit, finish, feel, and appearance questions. I have a SS and the only issue has been the subtle gurling noise in the heater core but that was easily fixed by the dealer in a couple of hours. I owned five 3rd gen camaros. I test-drove and comptemplated between a GT500, Roush Stage 3, and 2010 Camaro. I ultimately chose the Camaro despite the first model year issues I read here for 1 reason only, the Camaro made me smile again. I have no regrets. Perhaps the Mustang will strike the happy cord in you, maybe not. Maybe the camaro will be a little more expensive to keep on the road, maybe not. Between the 2 cars, get the car that YOU want, one that puts a smile in your face. In the end, that is all that matters.

[Bo Yo]

First off yes I really ordered the car. 1SS/RS in IBM M6. I am by no means a mustang loyalist. the only reason I bought it was because there was no camaro to be had at the time. And by no means do I love my GT either. The electronic throttle lags like no other and the Clutch engagement leaves something to be desired. But for the most part it's been a decent car. It has caused me no hassles since I've owned it.

I have no problems spending the money to get the car and pay for the tires. I just have this hatred of feeling like I wasted money by making an incorrect purchase. It's happened before and it will happen again. The sad and honest truth is that no matter which one I buy, I'll always second guess not buying the other.

And by ironed out I meant that maybe they will find better brake pads next year. Or slightly re-design the mirrors. Or fix the clutch issues. Then again, maybe they already have the best. If that's the case, then I can accept it.

By no means am I bashing the Camaro, but as I near the purchase I like to weigh my alternatives.

[nasty2ss]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Well all I can tell you is that not all, not even to close to many cars are as you describe.

If you take every single problem that has been posted here and assume your car would have those issue..................maybe you'd have a point.

I can tell you I have driven the CTF cars for almost 40,000 miles in the last 10 months across 2 SSs and 2 LTs. None of the issues you state were on any of the cars.

Tire wear? I guess if you got your new 400 HP Plus baby you might just go through a set of rear tires, especially if you were a Camaro loyalist that had an 8 year itch to scratch. But I can assure you that 296 had 12,000 on the clock when I turned it in and Thor was well around 10,000 by the time we returned him to Fbodfather and tire wear was not an issue................not even a little bit.

So if you are a Mustang guy trolling................beat it.

If you genuiniely ordered a Camaro, follow through. It is a truly awesome car and you will love it more than a Mustang.

[Alfieboy]

Originally Posted by Bo Yo

I ordered the car a few weeks back. I would expect it in early december. But as I'm doing more reading on here, I'm not feeling so confident in my decision to buy this car. I'm starting to hear more and more things I don't like. This whistling sound with the windows rolled down has me a bit bothered. ARE YOU FOR REAL? Can happen with any car.
In addition, I'm reading several members describe their brakes squealing.News to me..and probably something real stupid..MY 2ss dosent squeal 1 bit
The response of "That's how they're designed" does not give me that warm and fuzzy feeling. (BS)
And finally the tires are beginning to concern me. Ok so when tire replacement due, get all seasons or better tires..Toyos has better ones.. Gimme a Break.. LAME lame.......:(.
I don't want to have drop $1500 every year to buy new shoes for this thing. A 220 treadwear is extremely soft. I see people showing significant wear after less than 10,000 miles. No bueno. I mean I'm still on my original set of tires on the GT and I've got almost 60,000 on them. But of course they are 400 treadwear.

All of this has me second guessing actually buying this car. When things aren't perfect, it bothers me. I'm difficult to please I suppose. I tend to be picky on things. Maybe I should wait a year until things get ironed out?

Although, I'm now considering remaining on the dark side and going with a new GT and having the dealer install the FRP 550hp S/C kit. Oh the decisions in life.

I'm confused and displeased at the same time. Anyone done the 60 day return on a GM car yet? I suppose I could go that route if I needed to.

Better yet Go get your GT because ya never will appreciate a Camaro & prob dont deserve one.In the real world- theres no way a GT is 100 perfect either.

[GaryTucker]

Originally Posted by Bo Yo

First off yes I really ordered the car. 1SS/RS in IBM M6. I am by no means a mustang loyalist. the only reason I bought it was because there was no camaro to be had at the time. And by no means do I love my GT either. The electronic throttle lags like no other and the Clutch engagement leaves something to be desired. But for the most part it's been a decent car. It has caused me no hassles since I've owned it.

I have no problems spending the money to get the car and pay for the tires. I just have this hatred of feeling like I wasted money by making an incorrect purchase. It's happened before and it will happen again. The sad and honest truth is that no matter which one I buy, I'll always second guess not buying the other.

And by ironed out I meant that maybe they will find better brake pads next year. Or slightly re-design the mirrors. Or fix the clutch issues. Then again, maybe they already have the best. If that's the case, then I can accept it.

By no means am I bashing the Camaro, but as I near the purchase I like to weigh my alternatives.

Don't let the fanboys get you down. Do your own homework and ignore the smart*sses that can't get past the fact that someone doesn't want something they've got. Personally, I'm glad I waited on my Camaro and cancelled my order. The issues that we've seen weren't deal breakers for me...but I realized that I've owned my share of first year cars...and I decided that this time, I'd let someone else be the guinea pigs. At this point I've decided to wait for the hype to wear off and probably pick up a used one in a year or so (they'll be plentiful by then and the used market will finally be realistic).

Get what suits you and don't worry if it turns out to be a Mustang. They are good cars...whether that opinion flies here or not.

Good luck on your decision.

[Susantroy1]

this thread really smells like...........



Look... either buy it or don't. Pretty safe to say we all had some idea what the downsides were before we set $30-40k down for the camaro. For some reason your 1st post states that you ordered before you did the basic research and you come up with tire wear, whistling, and squeaky brakes?? thats the best you got??? Please..... Its not rocket science when doing research. I suggest you stick with the Stang. that way I wont have to read how you wish you stayed with the Blah Blah Blah

[Bo Yo]

Originally Posted by Alfieboy

Better yet Go get your GT because ya never will appreciate a Camaro & prob dont deserve one.In the real world- theres no way a GT is 100 perfect either.

Did I say the mustang was perfect? They don't even have a 6spd. Well they do, but only 5 of the gears of forward moving. Thank you for putting words in my mouth though. And I appreciate your concern towards my deserving of the car. Are you a motivational speaker?

I'm not bashing the Camaro. I never said I wasn't going to purchase due to the things I mentioned. I was just pointing out what other owners are experiencing along with what seems to be some frustrations on their part. As a result, some doubts were being cast in my head. I know there is chance with any car purchase. I could be one of the lucky ones and have no issues and it ends up being the best car I ever owned. I could also buy the GT and the engine could explode the first week I own it.

I was simply expressing some doubts I was having and looking for some reassurance that i was making a good choice. Thanks to the encouragers out there. And thank you GaryTucker for the defense of having an opinion. I'll likely end up taking the car as planned, but I just have to go over all my options. Regardless of choice, I'm still buying American and that is the most important part in my opinion.

[Jeanius]

Why dont you go test drive one? Or rent one for a day? You always have the 60 day guarantee also

I have a 2SS/RS, My brakes dont squeal, the whisteling with the windows down is so minor that you will only hear it if the radio is off and you have the stock exhaust AND your coasting with no acceleration

And tires? Come on bro, if your worried about tires then you should def not be getting a 426hp muscle car

Thats like saying your worried about Gas Milage with a 6.2L

EDIT:
Heres some reassurance for you

I will gladly get 12MPG avg and buy a set of tires a year to drive this monster, you will feel the same way once you mash that gas pedal. TRUST ME

Oh and wait until you add a short shifter, man I love this car

[The_Blur]

I'll keep this one short for once.

On a forum, you're going read a whole lot more about problems and recommended solutions than things that have actually gone right mechanically. Of course, I'm sure you'll note the long list of modifications that happy customers have installed on their cars, ranging from forced induction kits and exhaust components to body panels and rims. Each of these aftermarket parts is going to have several reviews on a forum such as this, and members are going to repeatedly ask about their benefits and pitfalls.

However, a product form such as Camaro5 is also going to have discussion about the stock product, maintenance, and ideas for the future. The stock product discussion will always be less positive than the aftermarket because people who customize cars take personal pride in their creations. Stock automotive enthusiasts may take pride in the maintenance of a car, but these sections of any site will have gripes about the work necessary to keep it nice, making the car seem high-maintenance in comparison to simple posts about how great a new set of rims makes a car look or sound clips from a new exhaust on the market. The note of positivity stays in the aftermarket rather than the market. Finally, the sections of the site oriented toward ideas towards the future will always belittle the current product by passively or actively suggesting that some components are missing. Rumors about a future HUD, for instance, will make otherwise excited buyers hold out for a feature that they feel will be missing when someone else has it and they do not. Alternatively, people who want a top tier product who find out that a new Z28 will likely outpace a new SS creates a group of enthusiasts who would rather look forward to something other than what we already have.

In summary, you're going to read negative things on a site like this, but you've got to take that with a grain of salt. You're going to have problems with every part of the car posted here eventually, but you've also got to remember that Camaro5 is more than a Camarorgasm of positive enthusiasm. On this site, we've got GM critics who work hard to promote alternative brands posting alongside fans who proclaim their undying loyalty to the brand. We've got people driving all kinds of cars here by choice and by need. As a result, we are going to have a lot of neutralizing feedback that could make a nearly flawless product look a lot more average. It's understandable that you have doubts as a result of this exposure, but consider the source. If you're reading a negative post by a guy driving a Challenger, then it might be the Challenger talking. If you're reading a post by a 13-year-old, then the source might not be the most knowledgeable on a given topic. When you read a post on a public site, the odds are that it is not unbiased, professional, or journalistic in nature. Take the sum and divide it by the average. That's how you get an average in math. On this site, take the facts and opinions and consider who said them before you make an opinion of your own. It's a lot less scientific, but it's a lot better than counting a few bad posts and making an opinion based on a skewed perception of reality.

Before you go on reading posts and formulating a more balanced opinion, allow mine to be the first post you consider. The reality is that the Camaro is fast, uses a proven engine and suspension that have been applied in other products including the Corvette and G8. The reality is that the Camaro went through some of the strictest testing of any recent vehicle according to the very professionals who built, designed, and engineered it, as well as disciples who were chosen from enthusiast communities like this one to take an early look at it.

I guess keeping it short didn't go so well.

[JohnInSoCal]

my SS brakes don't seem to squeal at all, it seems most cars do this from time to time. My honda minivan does this, dealer says it's normal. I do hear a whistle when windows are down. As for tires well this is an SS, I smoke the tires so I don't expect them to last long. But a mustang with a superchager and I can't see getting 60K miles out of those tires. I don't see 60K miles on any car I have ever had, minivan gets 30K miles at best, tahoe 30K. If I get 20K on these I would be surprised.

[CynAgain]

Read all of these posts then read them again. There is a lot of good information here. Drive the car when it comes in and you will know for yourself whether its right for you.

Good luck.

[POWERFREAK]

I don't have any issues with mine...It's a great car. Also, tires will get cheaper when more brands start producing the size...there's already cheaper alternatives out there.